Re: [xwiki-devs] Use of incubator wiki [was Re: [Proposal] [Vote] [Standard] Items Hover State]
14 Jul
2010
14 Jul
'10
5:27 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on
xwiki.org directly.
My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new
applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status
and after a vote has been submitted.
IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on
xwiki.org.
On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can
experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully
implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they
are not relevant for all the people.
Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce
the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they
could flood the bot.
Thanks,
Caty
Ludovic
Le 14/07/10 13:40, Ecaterina Valica a écrit :
Hi,
In order to assure the consistency of visual elements, we need to have
some
standards. There is already some work in progress at
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/
Things that mature and are final decided, will be added at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserExperience/
One of this proposed standards is "Items Hover State"
Whenever we have multiples items displayed, the hovered item will be
marked
with $theme.highlightColor .
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/HoverStateItems
We already cover this pattern in most of the cases, but there are still
some
inconsistencies:
- comments: only the header is highlighted;
- attachments, colorthemes are not highlighted at all;
- trees and WYSIWYG elements have a different color (I don't know if we
can
change this to use the color themes variables);
- maybe others?
Having a stardard for this kind of things it will be easier to know what
elements are out of order, and what needs to be fixed in order to assure
the
consistency.
Please vote for "Items Hover State"
Here's my +1
15 Jul
15 Jul
9:55 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Use of incubator wiki [was Re: [Proposal] [Vote] [Standard] Items Hover State]
On 07/14/2010 06:27 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic
Dubost<ludovic(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
XWiki.org has a drafts section (
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/ ) where we can put
proposals. Having proposals in two (maybe more?) places is not good. I'm
fine with moving all of them to incubator and keep only documentation
for implemented features on XWiki.org.
Marius
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on
xwiki.org directly.
My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new
applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status
and after a vote has been submitted.
IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on
xwiki.org.
On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can
experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully
implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they
are not relevant for all the people.
Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce
the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they
could flood the bot.
Thanks,
Caty
Ludovic
Le 14/07/10 13:40, Ecaterina Valica a écrit :
_______________________________________________
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devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hi,
In order to assure the consistency of visual elements, we need to have
some
standards. There is already some work in progress at
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/
Things that mature and are final decided, will be added at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserExperience/
One of this proposed standards is "Items Hover State"
Whenever we have multiples items displayed, the hovered item will be
marked
with $theme.highlightColor .
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/HoverStateItems
We already cover this pattern in most of the cases, but there are still
some
inconsistencies:
- comments: only the header is highlighted;
- attachments, colorthemes are not highlighted at all;
- trees and WYSIWYG elements have a different color (I don't know if we
can
change this to use the color themes variables);
- maybe others?
Having a stardard for this kind of things it will be easier to know what
elements are out of order, and what needs to be fixed in order to assure
the
consistency.
Please vote for "Items Hover State"
Here's my +1
10:28 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Use of incubator wiki [was Re: [Proposal] [Vote] [Standard] Items Hover State]
On 07/15/2010 10:55 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
On 07/14/2010 06:27 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
That + the fact that the incubator is not guaranteed to be stable, it
can be down when you need it the most, even when trying to look at a
proposal to vote for it, which is not good, let alone the cases when
you're actually implementing these proposals and you need it.
So in my opinion, all proposals that are to be implemented, we actually
want them in, (therefore we vote for them), should be on xwiki.org, even
if they will suffer modifications and adjustments until they reach final
form.
Also, the unstability may also refer to the content: what guarantees
that nobody will write a little experiment application tomorrow which
will delete or affect in any way these proposals?
If you prefer, you can develop them on the incubator, but when they
reach vote stage, imo, they should be on xwiki.org.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic
Dubost<ludovic(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
XWiki.org has a drafts section (
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/ ) where we can put
proposals. Having proposals in two (maybe more?) places is not good. I'm
fine with moving all of them to incubator and keep only documentation
for implemented features on XWiki.org.
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on
xwiki.org directly.
My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new
applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status
and after a vote has been submitted.
IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on
xwiki.org.
Marius
>
> On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can
> experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully
> implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they
> are not relevant for all the people.
The partial implementation, missing thing, postponed implementations, or
just proposals should be documented as such. It really depends on the
purpose for which the proposal is made, but for example these standards
(which we know for sure that we want to have, we just need to decide on
how), the annotations UI, the new rights UI, etc, which we're sure we
want, are relevant for everybody and should go on xwiki.org.
>
> Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce
> the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they
> could flood the bot.
This is the same for any proposal, or documentation, or everything. To
the limit anything can flood the IRC channel but this would only mean we
need a new strategy for the bot :).
Thanks,
Anca
Thanks,
Caty
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Ludovic
Le 14/07/10 13:40, Ecaterina Valica a écrit :
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hi,
In order to assure the consistency of visual elements, we need to have
some
standards. There is already some work in progress at
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/
Things that mature and are final decided, will be added at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserExperience/
One of this proposed standards is "Items Hover State"
Whenever we have multiples items displayed, the hovered item will be
marked
with $theme.highlightColor .
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/HoverStateItems
We already cover this pattern in most of the cases, but there are still
some
inconsistencies:
- comments: only the header is highlighted;
- attachments, colorthemes are not highlighted at all;
- trees and WYSIWYG elements have a different color (I don't know if we
can
change this to use the color themes variables);
- maybe others?
Having a stardard for this kind of things it will be easier to know what
elements are out of order, and what needs to be fixed in order to assure
the
consistency.
Please vote for "Items Hover State"
Here's my +1
11:39 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Use of incubator wiki [was Re: [Proposal] [Vote] [Standard] Items Hover State]
On 07/15/2010 10:28 AM, Anca Luca wrote:
That + the fact that the incubator is not guaranteed to be stable, it
can be down when you need it the most, even when trying to look at a
proposal to vote for it, which is not good, let alone the cases when
you're actually implementing these proposals and you need it.
Well, the real solution for this is to improve the platform performance
enough so that it doesn't hang when more than 5 requests occur at the
same time.
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
16 Jul
16 Jul
10:36 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Use of incubator wiki [was Re: [Proposal] [Vote] [Standard] Items Hover State]
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 09:55, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 07/14/2010 06:27 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Drafts is not for proposals it's here only work xwiki.org drafts of
xwiki.org documentation pages.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic
Dubost<ludovic(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
XWiki.org has a drafts section (
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/ ) where we can put
proposals. Having proposals in two (maybe more?) places is not good. I'm
fine with moving all of them to incubator and keep only documentation
for implemented features on XWiki.org.
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on
xwiki.org directly.
My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new
applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status
and after a vote has been submitted.
IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on
xwiki.org.
Marius
--
Thomas Mortagne
On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can
experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully
implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they
are not relevant for all the people.
Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce
the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they
could flood the bot.
Thanks,
Caty
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Ludovic
Le 14/07/10 13:40, Ecaterina Valica a écrit :
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hi,
In order to assure the consistency of visual elements, we need to have
some
standards. There is already some work in progress at
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/
Things that mature and are final decided, will be added at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserExperience/
One of this proposed standards is "Items Hover State"
Whenever we have multiples items displayed, the hovered item will be
marked
with $theme.highlightColor .
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/HoverStateItems
We already cover this pattern in most of the cases, but there are still
some
inconsistencies:
- comments: only the header is highlighted;
- attachments, colorthemes are not highlighted at all;
- trees and WYSIWYG elements have a different color (I don't know if we
can
change this to use the color themes variables);
- maybe others?
Having a stardard for this kind of things it will be easier to know what
elements are out of order, and what needs to be fixed in order to assure
the
consistency.
Please vote for "Items Hover State"
Here's my +1
15 Jul
15 Jul
11:36 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Use of incubator wiki [was Re: [Proposal] [Vote] [Standard] Items Hover State]
On 07/14/2010 05:27 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic
Dubost<ludovic(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
I agree with these reasons. Another one is that xwiki.org is on an older
version of XWiki, and on a different skin, so not all the features in
the current XWiki version are available, so this would make it more
difficult to include in the design proposal live demos of interaction,
like Caty has been doing lately on the incubator. When it comes to
interaction design, pictures are not enough.
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on
xwiki.org directly.
My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new
applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status
and after a vote has been submitted.
IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on
xwiki.org.
On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can
experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully
implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they
are not relevant for all the people.
Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce
the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they
could flood the bot.
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