20 Jan
2009
20 Jan
'09
5:17 p.m.
Hi,
I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at :
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs,
improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there.
This new home relies on improvements in the tag application.
I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like
to commit it later this week.
Here's my +1.
Thanks,
JV.
20 Jan
20 Jan
5:31 p.m.
On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Hi,
I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at :
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs,
improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there.
This new home relies on improvements in the tag application.
I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like
to commit it later this week.
Here's my +1.
+1 in general. Looks good.
Some questions:
1) Do you put edit comments in the recent changes too? I think it
would be good if not
2) What happens if there are no tags? No tags sections shown or some
text explaining how to add tags (probably better)?
3) Do we also have a panel for the tag cloud (I think it would be good
too)
Thanks
-Vincent
http://xwiki.com
http://xwiki.org
http://massol.net
5:45 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
The new recent changes is actually concatenating the consecutive edits
from the user during the indicated day to offer an "intelligent" diff
link.
If you've created and edited a page 10 times during the day the diff
link will point to : rev1=1.1, rev2=10.1
Which is why I can't print edit comments, we could imagine to print
the edit comment if there's only one edit but I'd like to keep it
simple for now and leave room for some improvements.
Hi,
I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at :
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs,
improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there.
This new home relies on improvements in the tag application.
I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like
to commit it later this week.
Here's my +1.
+1 in general. Looks good.
Some questions:
1) Do you put edit comments in the recent changes too? I think it
would be good if not 2) What happens if there are no tags? No tags sections
shown or some
text explaining how to add tags (probably better)?
I'll keep in mind 2/ while localizing the app.
3) Do we also have a panel for the tag cloud (I think
it would be good
too)
Not yet but I could make one quickly.
5:41 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean <jv(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at :
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs,
improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there.
This new home relies on improvements in the tag application.
I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like
to commit it later this week.
Here's my +1.
+1
Thanks,
JV.
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5:52 p.m.
This is starting to look really nice, I particularly like the fact that the
recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though:
1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important
information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill
the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent
changes?
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the 'Recent changes' column, if
the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows
up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not
pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd
have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display in
Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will
result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve
the problem.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean <jv(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at :
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs,
improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there.
This new home relies on improvements in the tag application.
I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like
to commit it later this week.
Here's my +1.
Thanks,
JV.
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6:29 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea <marta.girdea(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This is starting to look really nice, I particularly
like the fact that the
recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though:
1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important
information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill
the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent
changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way
more in some cases).
You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing
changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document
too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the
'Recent changes' column, if
the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows
up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not
pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd
have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process
and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items
(page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it
and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a
crucial information to display in
Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will
result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve
the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not
crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I
think.
I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look pretty with a height
smaller than 60px.
Thanks,
JV.
8:19 p.m.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea
<marta.girdea(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, power to people! Avatars makes a big difference in the tool
adoption by its users, in my opinion. (And displaying it other places
than user own profile encourages people to actually upload their picture).
Jerome.
This is starting to look really nice, I
particularly like the fact that the
recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though:
1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important
information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill
the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent
changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way
more in some cases).
You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing
changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document
too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the
'Recent changes' column, if
the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows
up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not
pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd
have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process
and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items
(page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it
and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a
crucial information to display in
Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will
result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve
the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not
crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I
think. I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look
pretty with a height
smaller than 60px.
Thanks,
JV.
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8:38 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Jerome Velociter <jerome(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
if
in
Yes, power to people! Avatars makes a big difference in the tool
adoption by its users, in my opinion. (And displaying it other places
than user own profile encourages people to actually upload their picture).
I agree, that's why I didn't suggest removing the avatars, just making them
smaller. This wasn't negative feedback on the avatars, but a comment on the
fact that they are way too visible comparing to the rest (at least on my
display).
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea
<marta.girdea(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> This is starting to look really nice, I
particularly like the fact that
the
> recent changes are displayed in a more
comprehensive manner.
>
> I have a few comments though:
> 1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other
important
> information the user would like to see on in
the dashboard, that could
fill
the empty
space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent
changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way
more in some cases).
You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing
changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document
too).
> 2/ There are some scalability problems: on the 'Recent changes' column,
> the document name is long, 'see
modifications' that appears on hover
shows
> up on the next row and pushes the rest of the
content down, and this is
not
> pretty. What could be done is use an icon
instead of text, and this way
we'd
have
consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process
and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items
(page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it
and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
> 3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display > Recent changes. Also, too few or too many
document changes per user will
> result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly
solve
the
problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not
crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I
think. Jerome.
I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not
look pretty with a height
smaller than 60px.
Thanks,
JV.
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11:16 p.m.
Nice job!
my remarks:
- I think also the "recent changes" section is a bit "oversized"
compared to
the others sections because when you open the page, you only see this at
first sight.
- The number of items in recent changes should be reduced (it is already
possible as you said in a previous mail) so that the recent changes is not
too tall compared to Spaces+Tags and so that you can guess there are other
contents below recent changes without scrolling too much.
- Maybe default height for one recent change could be reduced a bit by
putting the name just beside the photo for example... I like this size of
photo...
- considering balance, I would prefer a smaller column for recent changes...
not 50/50 but 60/40 for example... this is a personal opinion :)
- I agree the avatar presentation brings something interesting.
Pascal
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Marta Girdea <marta.girdea(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Jerome Velociter
<jerome(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
Yes, power to people! Avatars makes a big difference in the tool
adoption by its users, in my opinion. (And displaying it other places
than user own profile encourages people to actually upload their picture).
I agree, that's why I didn't
suggest removing the avatars, just making them
smaller. This wasn't negative feedback on the avatars, but a comment on the
fact that they are way too visible comparing to the rest (at least on my
display).
> Jerome.
> > I'm afraid that a lot of
avatars will not look pretty with a height
> > smaller than 60px.
> > > Thanks,
> > JV.
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Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
that
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea
<marta.girdea(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>> This is starting to look really nice, I particularly like the fact the
recent
> recent changes are displayed in a more
comprehensive manner.
>
> I have a few comments though:
> 1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other
important
> information the user would like to see on in
the dashboard, that could
fill
>> the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed >> changes?
> I think that the average wiki
contains more spaces than incubator (way
> more in some cases).
> You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing
> changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document
> too).
>> 2/ There are some scalability
problems: on the 'Recent changes'
column,
if
is
> the document name is long, 'see
modifications' that appears on hover
shows
>> up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this not
>> pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this
way
we'd
in
>> Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user
will
have
consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process
and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items
(page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it
and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
> 3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display >
result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly
solve
the
problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not
crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I
think.
21 Jan
21 Jan
7:12 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Pascal Voitot
<pascal.voitot.dev(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Nice job!
my remarks:
- I think also the "recent changes" section is a bit "oversized"
compared to
the others sections because when you open the page, you only see this at
first sight.
I think that looking at the recent changes at first sight is a good thing :)
The dashboard is a bunch of divs with some includes, it can be
customized very easily.
- The number of items in recent changes should be
reduced (it is already
possible as you said in a previous mail) so that the recent changes is not
too tall compared to Spaces+Tags and so that you can guess there are other
contents below recent changes without scrolling too much.
The content bellow dashboard was a leftover, I've cleaned it.
About recent changes number of items I think 30 is not that big, may
be we should add other infos on the left so that a new wiki dashboard
doesn't look that unbalanced (as Ludovic suggested in the comments).
Also note that the average wiki contains way more space than
incubator, 30/40+ spaces is common.
- Maybe default height for one recent change could be
reduced a bit by
putting the name just beside the photo for example... I like this size of
photo...
I've reduced the height of the avatars to 40px on incubator yesterday
to show how it looks, the original size was 60px. Putting the name
beside the avatar could be nice but it won't look pretty with long
names (take mine for example ;).
- considering balance, I would prefer a smaller column
for recent changes...
not 50/50 but 60/40 for example... this is a personal opinion :)
The current balance is 60/40, rationale:
- Give room to the supposed most important part of the dashboard.
- Space names are rarely long, otoh pages names often are.
- Recent changes panel holds more info/img/links and even expandable
comment areas, they technically need more space.
Thanks,
JV.
7:26 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean
<jean-vincent(a)drean.org> wrote:
The current balance is 60/40, rationale:
Read: 40/60 :)
- Give room to the supposed most important part of
the dashboard.
- Space names are rarely long, otoh pages names often are.
- Recent changes panel holds more info/img/links and even expandable
comment areas, they technically need more space.
Thanks,
JV.
8:06 a.m.
I can accept your arguments ;)
Just one remark: have you tested on IE6 (yes, I still have that on my PC :))
? This is not exactly the same nice page :)
regards
Pascal
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean
<jean-vincent(a)drean.org>wrote;wrote:
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Pascal Voitot
<pascal.voitot.dev(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Nice job!
my remarks:
- I think also the "recent changes" section is a bit "oversized"
compared
to
the others sections because when you open the
page, you only see this at
first sight.
I think that looking at the recent changes at first sight is a good thing
:)
The dashboard is a bunch of divs with some includes, it can be
customized very easily.
- The number of items in recent changes should be
reduced (it is already
possible as you said in a previous mail) so that the recent changes is
not
too tall compared to Spaces+Tags and so that you
can guess there are
other
contents below recent changes without scrolling
too much.
The content bellow dashboard was a leftover, I've cleaned it.
About recent changes number of items I think 30 is not that big, may
be we should add other infos on the left so that a new wiki dashboard
doesn't look that unbalanced (as Ludovic suggested in the comments).
Also note that the average wiki contains way more space than
incubator, 30/40+ spaces is common.
- Maybe default height for one recent change
could be reduced a bit by
putting the name just beside the photo for example... I like this size of
photo...
I've reduced the height of the avatars to 40px on incubator yesterday
to show how it looks, the original size was 60px. Putting the name
beside the avatar could be nice but it won't look pretty with long
names (take mine for example ;).
- considering balance, I would prefer a smaller
column for recent
changes...
not 50/50 but 60/40 for example... this is a
personal opinion :)
The current balance is 60/40, rationale:
- Give room to the supposed most important part of the dashboard.
- Space names are rarely long, otoh pages names often are.
- Recent changes panel holds more info/img/links and even expandable
comment areas, they technically need more space.
Thanks,
JV.
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8:57 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Pascal Voitot
<pascal.voitot.dev(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I can accept your arguments ;)
Just one remark: have you tested on IE6 (yes, I still have that on my PC :))
? This is not exactly the same nice page :)
It'd look a lot worse if it hasn't been tested in IE6 :)
There's 2 hacks missing for it, png transparency and element:hover emulation.
For info : http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Main/WebHome/ie6.jpg
JV.
20 Jan
20 Jan
8:36 p.m.
On Jan 20, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea
<marta.girdea(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It's important IMO. We need people to contribute as much as possible
to their wikis and I'm pretty sure that when people see their faces
they contribute more. It helps put emphasis on their contributions.
I'm definitely for using avatars although maybe the size could be
reduced (but JV says it won't look nice below).
This is starting to look really nice, I
particularly like the fact
that the
recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though:
1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other
important
information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that
could fill
the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed
recent
changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way
more in some cases).
You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing
changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document
too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the
'Recent changes'
column, if
the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on
hover shows
up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and
this is not
pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this
way we'd
have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process
and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items
(page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it
and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a
crucial information to
display in
Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user
will
result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would
partly solve
the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not
crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I
think.
I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look pretty with a height
smaller than 60px.
Thanks,
JV.
Thanks
-Vincent
http://xwiki.com
http://xwiki.org
http://massol.net
21 Jan
21 Jan
7:28 a.m.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea
<marta.girdea(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I agree the 60px version looks nicer. We don't have any mechanism for
avatar thumbs (like something a la Facebook), so most avatars do not
look very good in small versions, like the 40px now on incubator.
Jerome.
This is starting to look really nice, I
particularly like the fact that the
recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though:
1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important
information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill
the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent
changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way
more in some cases).
You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing
changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document
too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the
'Recent changes' column, if
the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows
up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not
pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd
have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process
and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items
(page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it
and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a
crucial information to display in
Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will
result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve
the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not
crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I
think.
I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look pretty with a height
smaller than 60px.
Thanks,
JV.
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