21 Aug
2009
21 Aug
'09
12:58 p.m.
*Hi Devs,*
*I'm coming back from a meeting with a corporate XWiki user.*
*The project manager there reported a "bug" to me: when hitting Return while
at the end of the link, she was still in the link. The item she created
after hitting return was a title and due to style settings she couldn't see
it was still a link. Then she hit Return again and after her title the text
was still a link. She felt confused and didn't understand why the link was
still there.*
*This is due to the fact that right now, when the caret is at the end of an
element with an inline style applied, it keeps applying that style upon
hitting Return. This applies to bold, italics, underlined, strikethrough,
color, background color and links (all inline elements). I've talked about
this with Anca a number of times, saying that it was wrong for links to be
kept when hitting enter (since users very rarely want links that span 2
paragraphs). Her answer was that all inline styles should be treated the
same for technical reasons.*
*After giving it more thought and gathering feedback from our project
managers it appears that the use case of willing the current inline style to
be kept after hitting Return is actually less frequent than wanting the new
line to be "clean". Moreover, it's extremely confusing for users when the
link is kept.*
*Thus I'd like to suggest that hitting Return (= generating a new paragraph)
should get the caret out of the current inline style in the WYSIWYG editor.
Here are a couple more reasons why I believe this to be the best option:*
- There are shortcuts available in the WYSIWYG for most inline styles
(CTRL-B, CTRL-I) thus it's easy for the user to activate it again on a new
line
- It's very easy to select a wide area of text with the mouse and then
apply an inline style to it, thus styling can conveniently be done after the
actual writing
- Hitting SHIFT-Return will keep the user in the same paragraph and thus
will keep the current inline styles
- It's very rare that users want to apply an inline style to several
paragraphs in a row since bold, italics are most often used to create
contrast with surrounding text
To summarize, I think hitting Return should generate "virgin" new lines. The
only thing that should be kept is the alignment.
WDYT?
Guillaume
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Twitter: glerouge
http://guillaumelerouge.com/
21 Aug
21 Aug
1:56 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] WYSIWYG - Get out of inline style when hitting Return
Hi Guillaume,
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
*Hi Devs,*
*I'm coming back from a meeting with a corporate XWiki user.*
*The project manager there reported a "bug" to me: when hitting Return while
at the end of the link, she was still in the link. The item she created
after hitting return was a title and due to style settings she couldn't see
it was still a link. Then she hit Return again and after her title the text
"due to style settings" -> isn't this the real issue?
was still a link. She felt confused and didn't
understand why the link was
still there.*
*This is due to the fact that right now, when the caret is at the end of an
element with an inline style applied, it keeps applying that style upon
hitting Return. This applies to bold, italics, underlined, strikethrough,
color, background color and links (all inline elements). I've talked about
this with Anca a number of times, saying that it was wrong for links to be
kept when hitting enter (since users very rarely want links that span 2
paragraphs). Her answer was that all inline styles should be treated the
same for technical reasons.*
Open Office Writer does the same, and not for technical reasons, I
guess. Are their users complaining?
*After giving it more thought and gathering feedback from our project
managers it appears that the use case of willing the current inline style to
be kept after hitting Return is actually less frequent than wanting the new
line to be "clean". Moreover, it's extremely confusing for users when the
link is kept.*
*Thus I'd like to suggest that hitting Return (= generating a new paragraph)
should get the caret out of the current inline style in the WYSIWYG editor.
Here are a couple more reasons why I believe this to be the best option:*
- There are shortcuts available in the WYSIWYG for
most inline styles
(CTRL-B, CTRL-I) thus it's easy for the user to activate it again on a new
line
It's hard to have shortcuts for a specific font name, font size, font
color or highlight color.
- It's very easy to select a wide area of text
with the mouse and then
apply an inline style to it, thus styling can conveniently be done after the
actual writing
Then how difficult it is to choose ***Remove Link*** from the link menu
when the caret is inside a link?
- Hitting SHIFT-Return will keep the user in the
same paragraph and thus
will keep the current inline styles
- It's very rare that users want to apply an inline style to several
paragraphs in a row since bold, italics are most often used to create
contrast with surrounding text
To summarize, I think hitting Return should generate "virgin" new lines. The
only thing that should be kept is the alignment.
I'm pretty sure others will scream because their nice style is lost when
they move to a new paragraph. Anyway, I'm going to implement it if
others think too that Open Office does it wrong.
Marius
WDYT?
Guillaume
2:53 p.m.
Hi Marius,
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
The actual issue takes place when the caret is at the very end of the link.
The link is carried over to the next line without a visual clue (whereas
when bold is carried over the bold button in the toolbar is shown as
selected).
As I stated it above, I think differentiating the behavior of links vs bold
and other inline styles would be our best option. Having all styles not
carried over is a second-rank optimum, but it's still better than the
current one.
What's your opinion from a technical point of view?
Guillaume
Hi Guillaume,
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
No. She didn't expect the link to be carried over when hitting Return. The
style issue is simply an aggravating factor.
*Hi Devs,*
*I'm coming back from a meeting with a corporate XWiki user.*
*The project manager there reported a "bug" to me: when hitting Return
while
at the end of the link, she was still in the
link. The item she created
after hitting return was a title and due to style settings she couldn't
see
it was still a link. Then she hit Return again
and after her title the
text
"due to style settings" -> isn't this the real issue? was still a link. She felt confused and didn't
understand why the link was
I have no idea. What I know is that our users are complaining about the
current behavior.
My initial suggestion was that links should be treated differently from
inline styles such as bold or italics. This is what Google Docs does. Anca
was strongly against it for conceptual - "all inline items should act in the
same way" - and technical - "they currently share the same behavior, it
makes more code to write" - reasons.
This is still the solution I would favor. If however it can't be done, we
have to examine the next best choice. This is why I'm proposing we don't
carry over any inline style upon hitting Return.
still there.*
*This is due to the fact that right now, when the caret is at the end of
an
element with an inline style applied, it keeps
applying that style upon
hitting Return. This applies to bold, italics, underlined, strikethrough,
color, background color and links (all inline elements). I've talked
about
this with Anca a number of times, saying that it
was wrong for links to
be
kept when hitting enter (since users very rarely
want links that span 2
paragraphs). Her answer was that all inline styles should be treated the
same for technical reasons.*
Open Office Writer does the same, and not for technical reasons, I
guess. Are their users complaining? *After giving
it more thought and gathering feedback from our project
managers it appears that the use case of willing the current inline style
to
be kept after hitting Return is actually less
frequent than wanting the
new
line to be "clean". Moreover, it's
extremely confusing for users when the
link is kept.*
*Thus I'd like to suggest that hitting Return (= generating a new
paragraph)
should get the caret out of the current inline
style in the WYSIWYG
editor.
Here are a couple more reasons why I believe this
to be the best option:*
- There are shortcuts available in the WYSIWYG
for most inline styles
(CTRL-B, CTRL-I) thus it's easy for the user to activate it again on a
new
line
It's hard to have shortcuts for a specific font name, font size, font
color or highlight color.
- It's very easy to select a wide area of
text with the mouse and then
apply an inline style to it, thus styling can conveniently be done
after the
actual writing
Then how difficult it is to choose ***Remove Link*** from the link menu
when the caret is inside a link? From all the cases I saw, the user model / expectation
when hitting Return
while the caret is at the end of a link is that the link should
NOT be
carried over. Going to the link menu to remove the link doesn't seem
intuitive to our users when they start using the editor. If we want to make
our editor easier to use for the majority of our users, links should not be
carried over when hitting Return. It's not my choice, simply a fact derived
from observation.
If you think I'm wrong, please provide us with a compelling use case where
the user wants his / her link to be carried over after hitting Return.
- Hitting SHIFT-Return will keep the user in
the same paragraph and
thus
will keep the current inline styles
- It's very rare that users want to apply an inline style to several
paragraphs in a row since bold, italics are most often used to create
contrast with surrounding text
To summarize, I think hitting Return should generate "virgin" new lines.
The
only thing that should be kept is the alignment.
I'm pretty sure others will scream because their nice style is lost when
they move to a new paragraph. Anyway, I'm going to implement it if
others think too that Open Office does it wrong.
Marius
--
Guillaume Lerouge
Product Manager - XWiki
Skype: wikibc
Twitter: glerouge
http://guillaumelerouge.com/
WDYT?
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3:52 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] WYSIWYG - Get out of inline style when hitting Return
Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Hi Guillaume,
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Somewhere around here I see the actual issue:
some inline formatting / styles are to be removed upon enter, some not. Bold,
italic, underline, strikethrough, link are OK to be removed for the reasons G
mentioned. Font size, font family or color, maybe not (people probably set a
font to be used for the whole document or at least until they specify
otherwise). Also this desire to remove or preserve formatting can be contextual
(I think I've had discussions before where users wanted something to happen and
reported as bug depending on how they felt at that moment).
While I agree that there are rare use-cases when a user would want to preserve a
link on multiple lines, _we need to have a rule_: I don't think it's ok that
some styles are removed (which? on what criteria?) and some are not (which? on
what criteria?)
Anca
*Hi Devs,*
*I'm coming back from a meeting with a corporate XWiki user.*
*The project manager there reported a "bug" to me: when hitting Return while
at the end of the link, she was still in the link. The item she created
after hitting return was a title and due to style settings she couldn't see
it was still a link. Then she hit Return again and after her title the text
"due to style settings" -> isn't this the real issue?
was still a link. She felt confused and
didn't understand why the link was
still there.*
*This is due to the fact that right now, when the caret is at the end of an
element with an inline style applied, it keeps applying that style upon
hitting Return. This applies to bold, italics, underlined, strikethrough,
color, background color and links (all inline elements). I've talked about
this with Anca a number of times, saying that it was wrong for links to be
kept when hitting enter (since users very rarely want links that span 2
paragraphs). Her answer was that all inline styles should be treated the
same for technical reasons.*
Open Office Writer does the same, and not for technical reasons, I
guess. Are their users complaining?
*After giving it more thought and gathering
feedback from our project
managers it appears that the use case of willing the current inline style to
be kept after hitting Return is actually less frequent than wanting the new
line to be "clean". Moreover, it's extremely confusing for users when the
link is kept.*
*Thus I'd like to suggest that hitting Return (= generating a new paragraph)
should get the caret out of the current inline style in the WYSIWYG editor.
Here are a couple more reasons why I believe this to be the best option:*
- There are shortcuts available in the WYSIWYG
for most inline styles
(CTRL-B, CTRL-I) thus it's easy for the user to activate it again on a new
line
It's hard to have shortcuts for a specific font name, font size, font
color or highlight color. - It's very easy to select a wide area of
text with the mouse and then
apply an inline style to it, thus styling can conveniently be done after the
actual writing
Then how difficult it is to choose ***Remove Link*** from the link menu
when the caret is inside a link?
- Hitting SHIFT-Return will keep the user in
the same paragraph and thus
will keep the current inline styles
- It's very rare that users want to apply an inline style to several
paragraphs in a row since bold, italics are most often used to create
contrast with surrounding text
To summarize, I think hitting Return should generate "virgin" new lines. The
only thing that should be kept is the alignment.
I'm pretty sure others will scream because their nice style is lost when
they move to a new paragraph. Anyway, I'm going to implement it if
others think too that Open Office does it wrong.
Marius
WDYT?
Guillaume
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3:59 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] WYSIWYG - Get out of inline style when hitting Return
Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Open Office Writer does the same, and not for technical reasons, I
guess. Are their users complaining?
Hi Marius & Guillaume,
Open Office users are actually complaining:
e.g. 1:
"When I paste a URL into a Writer document, it turns it into a link --
blue, underlined, control + click to open URL.
After I paste a URL, how do I type text after it, and not make the new
text I type also be part of the link? [...]
I can't figure out how to "turn off" the hyperlink and return to typing
normal text."
source:http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=1860…
e.g. 2:
"The bigger problem is that an entire section of text on the page seems to
be hyperlinked for some reason. It's just ordinary text. But everything I
type in this one area on the document turns into a link."
Source: http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=984
These are just a couple of examples I found right away, but I am sure there
are other people confused about this issue.
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5:38 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] WYSIWYG - Get out of inline style when hitting Return
Hi Silvia,
Silvia Rusu wrote:
Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
The solution I found, after a while, was to choose "Clear formatting"
from the style drop down.. not intuitive at all.
Our editor has a Link menu with a Remove Link entry. It shouldn't be
that hard for the user to find it.
OK, the user doesn't know if the caret is inside the link after he
presses Enter, but that's because the Remove Link feature was moved from
the tool bar, where it was enabled or disabled depending on the context.
Open Office Writer does the same, and not for technical reasons, I
guess. Are their users complaining?
Hi Marius & Guillaume,
Open Office users are actually complaining:
e.g. 1:
"When I paste a URL into a Writer document, it turns it into a link --
blue, underlined, control + click to open URL.
After I paste a URL, how do I type text after it, and not make the new
text I type also be part of the link? [...]
I can't figure out how to "turn off" the hyperlink and return to typing
normal text."
source:http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=1860…
e.g. 2:
"The bigger problem is that an entire section of text on the page seems to
be hyperlinked for some reason. It's just ordinary text. But everything I
type in this one area on the document turns into a link."
Source: http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=984
These are just a couple of examples I found right away, but I am sure there
are other people confused about this issue.
Point taken. Can you or Guillaume open a JIRA issue?
* Enter at the start/end of a link moves the caret before/after the link
and then creates a new paragraph.
* Enter in the middle of a link breaks the link in two.
* The rest of the in-line styles (including bold, italic etc.) are
preserved on the new paragraph
* Shift+Enter acts as it does now: simply inserts a line break
This is the observed behavior of MS Word 2007.
Thanks,
Marius
5:49 p.m.
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi Silvia,
Silvia Rusu wrote:
Done, see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4193
Thanks Marius :-)
Guillaume
Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=186093
The solution I found, after a while, was to choose "Clear formatting"
from the style drop down.. not intuitive at all.
Our editor has a Link menu with a Remove Link entry. It shouldn't be
that hard for the user to find it.
OK, the user doesn't know if the caret is inside the link after he
presses Enter, but that's because the Remove Link feature was moved from
the tool bar, where it was enabled or disabled depending on the context.
Open Office Writer does the same, and not for technical reasons, I
guess. Are their users complaining?
Hi Marius & Guillaume,
Open Office users are actually complaining:
e.g. 1:
"When I paste a URL into a Writer document, it turns it into a link --
blue, underlined, control + click to open URL.
After I paste a URL, how do I type text after it, and not make the new
text I type also be part of the link? [...]
I can't figure out how to "turn off" the hyperlink and return to typing
normal text."
source:
e.g. 2:
"The bigger problem is that an entire section of text on the page seems
to
be hyperlinked for some reason. It's just
ordinary text. But everything I
type in this one area on the document turns into a link."
Source: http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=984
These are just a couple of examples I found right away, but I am sure
there
are other people confused about this issue.
Point taken. Can you or Guillaume open a JIRA issue?
* Enter at the start/end of a link moves the caret before/after the link
and then creates a new paragraph.
* Enter in the middle of a link breaks the link in two.
* The rest of the in-line styles (including bold, italic etc.) are
preserved on the new paragraph
* Shift+Enter acts as it does now: simply inserts a line break
This is the observed behavior of MS Word 2007.
Thanks,
Marius
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6:05 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] WYSIWYG - Get out of inline style when hitting Return
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I'm slightly lost, isn't that the very old issue we've been so arguing about
for
a while: http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3802 ?
and I remember Marius' very strong position on keeping the current behaviour
(are we talking about the same thing?).
How about, in this context, hitting enter at the beginning / end of a bold,
italic, strikethrough, etc? Is this rule only for links or for any other
styling? (I agree that it's more annoying for links then for all others but this
means adding a special rule for links...)
Happy coding,
Anca
Hi Silvia,
Silvia Rusu wrote:
Done, see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4193 Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=186093
The solution I found, after a while, was to choose "Clear formatting"
from the style drop down.. not intuitive at all.
Our editor has a Link menu with a Remove Link entry. It shouldn't be
that hard for the user to find it.
OK, the user doesn't know if the caret is inside the link after he
presses Enter, but that's because the Remove Link feature was moved from
the tool bar, where it was enabled or disabled depending on the context.
Open Office Writer does the same, and not for
technical reasons, I
guess. Are their users complaining?
Hi Marius & Guillaume,
Open Office users are actually complaining:
e.g. 1:
"When I paste a URL into a Writer document, it turns it into a link --
blue, underlined, control + click to open URL.
After I paste a URL, how do I type text after it, and not make the new
text I type also be part of the link? [...]
I can't figure out how to "turn off" the hyperlink and return to typing
normal text."
source: e.g. 2:
"The bigger problem is that an entire section of text on the page seems
to
be hyperlinked for some reason. It's just
ordinary text. But everything I
type in this one area on the document turns into a link."
Source: http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=984
These are just a couple of examples I found right away, but I am sure
there
are other people confused about this issue.
Point taken. Can you or Guillaume open a JIRA issue?
* Enter at the start/end of a link moves the caret before/after the link
and then creates a new paragraph.
* Enter in the middle of a link breaks the link in two.
* The rest of the in-line styles (including bold, italic etc.) are
preserved on the new paragraph
* Shift+Enter acts as it does now: simply inserts a line break
This is the observed behavior of MS Word 2007.
Thanks Marius :-)
Guillaume
Thanks,
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6:31 p.m.
Hi Anca,
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Anca Paula Luca
<ancapaula.luca(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Done, see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4193
I'm slightly lost, isn't that the very old issue we've been so arguing
about for
a while: http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3802 ?
and I remember Marius' very strong position on keeping the current
behaviour
(are we talking about the same thing?).
Yes, XWIKI-3802 is one of the symptoms of an issue that XWIKI-4193 would
fix.
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hi Silvia,
>
> Silvia Rusu wrote:
>> Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
>>> Open Office Writer does the same, and not for technical reasons, I
>>> guess. Are their users complaining?
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Marius & Guillaume,
>>
>> Open Office users are actually complaining:
>>
>> e.g. 1:
>>
>> "When I paste a URL into a Writer document, it turns it into a link --
>> blue, underlined, control + click to open URL.
>>
>> After I paste a URL, how do I type text after it, and not make the new
>> text I type also be part of the link? [...]
>>
>> I can't figure out how to "turn off" the hyperlink and return to
typing
>> normal text."
>>
>> source:
> http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=186093
>
> The solution I found, after a while, was to choose "Clear formatting"
> from the style drop down.. not intuitive at all.
>
> Our editor has a Link menu with a Remove Link entry. It shouldn't be
> that hard for the user to find it.
>
> OK, the user doesn't know if the caret is inside the link after he
> presses Enter, but that's because the Remove Link feature was moved from
> the tool bar, where it was enabled or disabled depending on the context.
>
>> e.g. 2:
>>
>> "The bigger problem is that an entire section of text on the page seems
> to
>> be hyperlinked for some reason. It's just ordinary text. But everything
I
type in this one area on the document turns into a
link."
Source: http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=984
These are just a couple of examples I found right away, but I am sure
there
are other people confused about this issue.
Point taken. Can you or Guillaume open a JIRA issue?
* Enter at the start/end of a link moves the caret before/after the link
and then creates a new paragraph.
* Enter in the middle of a link breaks the link in two.
* The rest of the in-line styles (including bold, italic etc.) are
preserved on the new paragraph
* Shift+Enter acts as it does now: simply inserts a line break
This is the observed behavior of MS Word 2007.
How about, in this context, hitting enter at the
beginning / end of a bold,
italic, strikethrough, etc? Is this rule only for links or for any other
styling? (I agree that it's more annoying for links then for all others but
this
means adding a special rule for links...)
That's why at first I suggested changing the rule for all inline styles.
However Marius rightly suggested that we change it only for links. Links are
semantically different from styles, thus have to be treated differently
through a specific rule.
Guillaume
Happy coding,
Anca
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Thanks Marius :-)
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11:08 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] WYSIWYG - Get out of inline style when hitting Return
Hi Anca,
Anca Paula Luca wrote:
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
It is *possible* to continue adding content if there is a link object at
the bottom of the page. There is the Remove Link feature which works,
right? So there's no such bug. Here we're talking about an improvement.
I've updated XWIKI-4193 accordingly.
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I'm slightly lost, isn't that the very old issue we've been so arguing about
for
a while: http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3802 ? Hi Silvia,
Silvia Rusu wrote:
Done, see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4193 Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
> Open Office Writer does the same, and not for technical reasons, I
> guess. Are their users complaining?
>
>
Hi Marius & Guillaume,
Open Office users are actually complaining:
e.g. 1:
"When I paste a URL into a Writer document, it turns it into a link --
blue, underlined, control + click to open URL.
After I paste a URL, how do I type text after it, and not make the new
text I type also be part of the link? [...]
I can't figure out how to "turn off" the hyperlink and return to typing
normal text."
source:
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=186093
The solution I found, after a while, was to choose "Clear formatting"
from the style drop down.. not intuitive at all.
Our editor has a Link menu with a Remove Link entry. It shouldn't be
that hard for the user to find it.
OK, the user doesn't know if the caret is inside the link after he
presses Enter, but that's because the Remove Link feature was moved from
the tool bar, where it was enabled or disabled depending on the context.
e.g. 2:
"The bigger problem is that an entire section of text on the page seems
to
be hyperlinked for some reason. It's just
ordinary text. But everything I
type in this one area on the document turns into a link."
Source: http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=984
These are just a couple of examples I found right away, but I am sure
there
are other people confused about this issue.
Point taken. Can you or Guillaume open a JIRA issue?
* Enter at the start/end of a link moves the caret before/after the link
and then creates a new paragraph.
* Enter in the middle of a link breaks the link in two.
* The rest of the in-line styles (including bold, italic etc.) are
preserved on the new paragraph
* Shift+Enter acts as it does now: simply inserts a line break
This is the observed behavior of MS Word 2007.
and I remember Marius' very strong position on
keeping the current behaviour
(are we talking about the same thing?).
I'm still strongly in favor of the current behavior but the users don't
find it natural.
Marius
How about, in this context, hitting enter at the beginning / end of a bold,
italic, strikethrough, etc? Is this rule only for links or for any other
styling? (I agree that it's more annoying for links then for all others but this
means adding a special rule for links...)
Happy coding,
Anca
Thanks Marius :-)
Guillaume
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