On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
2016-11-17 16:18 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Guillaume
Delhumeau <
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
According to your suggestions, I have started
some iterations in a real
wiki.
Proposition 8, iteration 1
==================
http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33243/P8_iter1.png
* Same wording
* Separation between wiki-related items and global items
* Remove "Home", because it's already in the breadcrumb and it is not
necessary to have it in this "often used features" menu.
"Create Wiki" and "Delete Wiki", because it should be done inside
the
Wiki
Index.
Some remarks:
- We don't use officially the "subwiki" term. We have just
"Wiki", see
http://markmail.org/message/cehvpds5qmljq5f7
- In Olivier's proposal there was also the name of the subwiki which was
somehow interesting
- There is an inconsistency between "Subwiki" and "Global actions"
...
they
should be similar in terms of naming structure
(with or without
"actions")
- If you remove "Create wiki" and
"Delete wiki" then I don't see such a
need for the "subwiki-global" separation, since "Wiki Index" will be
lonely
I don't see this as a problem. An item could be lonely.
-- We said we move "Create wiki" in the
Wiki Index, but there we will
have
> other problems in terms of displaying the option: will be make it part of
> the Create step? Do we create a separate button for it? How do we display
> it?
I don't understand your question. Previously, we had a "Create wiki" link
in the Wiki Index. We have removed it because we put it into the Create
button instead when that button was on the top bar.
Now we don't have the add button on the top bar anymore, so the "Create
Wiki" link could go back to the Wiki Index.
- For wikis that allow just local users, the
breadcrumb home doesn't take
you to the Global home, but removing "Home" won't impact in this case,
since apparently we don't display Home at all in this case. The problem
is
that for these cases, the users won't know
how to go back to the main
wiki.
Yes, it's a "feature" :) On a farm, the system administrator may want to
hide the other wikis to the users. For example, if your farm host a
"cocacola" and a "pepsi" wiki, you could decide to hide this fact to
their
users :)
> > Proposition 8, iteration
2
> > ==================
> > On subwiki:
> >
http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33245/P8_iter2.png
>
> > On main wiki:
> >
http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33246/P8_iter2_mainwiki.png
>
> > * Same but with a more
human wording
> > * Applications is displayed before users, because I think we more often
> > need to use an app than we need to see other users
>
> - Administration is a "human" wording and also
it's used across our
> documentation and interface. Also it goes hand in hand with the
> Administrator user. I don't see big improvements in changing to the
> "Settings" wording.
> - There is a problem with "All Users" since in some setups, where you
have
local users, that link won't take you to
"all" users. Again hard to say
that it's really a correct separation.
- Regarding the order, we should define a rule. It could either be
alphabetical or usage (although that is hard to compute). With the
mention
that extremes are easier to access. So for
example first and last items
in
a list are easier to access than intermediary
items: so placing users
after
> applications, because applications are more used, it will have the
> consequence that, being the last item in the list, it will make Users be
> easily to access than Applications.
>
> > Proposition 8,
iteration 3
> > ==================
> >
http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33247/P8_iter3.png
>
> > * Same but introduced the
"Recent Changes" entry (leads to an Activity
> > Stream maybe)
>
> - Regarding the "Recent Changes" this could be see
as application, so it
> could be available in the Application Index (kind of is, but as part of
> Dashboard).
I still believe it make sense to have it here. It would be the a link to
the Activity Steam of the current wiki (since it's on the local items
category).
>
> > My conclusions
> > ===
>
> - The problem is that if I read my comments and I remove the
P8's
> subwiki/global separation (since Wiki Index is alone) + remove the
"Create
and Delete wiki" since we say they will be
available in Wiki Index,
remove
> the Home navigation since we rely on breadcrumbs, plus we keep the same
> wording, but maybe change a bit the Index order, we will have P9:
>
http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33250/P9.png
> And it doesn't quite have much of
a change in it if we compare it to the
> current version. This might be good or bad. Following Jan-Paul comment
that
> we should not advertise for 'Delete wiki' and that 'Create wiki' is
very
> rare, we might say P9 contains just the needed elements: Administration +
> Indexes.
Indeed, it's a bit disappointing...
Yes, it seems disappointing. Now depends what the objective is: having a
redesign of the Drawer or simplifying it.
Since the only difference between simple users and admins would be the
"Administration", we could have it last as P9.1 + try a simpler naming:
http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33251/P9.1.png
But now we will need to find a way to Create wikis.
---
Now regarding Index naming. If we use:
- Manage: for example "Manage Wikis", it will be harder to make it
consistent with the other Indexes, since for example User Index does not
provide the management setting (they are in administration). Also for
simple users, manage verb doesn't mean anything.
- All: all is complicated for farm setup, where "All Users" might mean
just
local users, same for Applications and Pages,
since they are just local,
so
they are not all.
- Index: it is a bit more ambiguous, but it better satisfy the duality of
content.
- //simple: Having just "Pages", "Users", etc. can be also a
solution.
---
Regarding Olivier's comment about "Recent changes" (in P7). I agree that
the majority of wikis provide it, still we should find a solution to what
will we present to the user (Olivier suggested a livetable so I guess he
doesn't know our Activity Stream). Will it redirect to Main.Activity?
Which
one? The local or the global one? It could be the
global one since we
display the wiki prefixes, but I guess this again depends on the type of
wiki you are located in.
Regarding P7 I don't like it especially because it's removing Page Index
(and relies on a panel that can be change depending on the current
Flavor)
and removes Application Index (with the rationale
that AppBar is
complete,
which it isn't and again the panels can be
easily changed).
Thanks,
Caty
* Better look & feel
* More human wording
* Only feature we need often
Is it going in the right direction?
Thanks,
Guillaume
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