29 Jun
2012
29 Jun
'12
3 p.m.
Hi,
I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you wiki"
gadget) from the homepage.
There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that particular
gadget and that make the job especially harder for beginners.
One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome content
is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the gadget that
would let the user navigate to the included page or without some
auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what actions
they need to do in order to edit that content.
Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can be scary
and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be very-very
simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's content.
Its only purpose will be to let users add textual information inside a
dashboard.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity content,
code in general, boxes, success messages, etc. but no way to put just a
simple text inside the dashboard.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
29 Jun
29 Jun
3:10 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Hi,
I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you wiki"
gadget) from the homepage.
There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that particular
gadget and that make the job especially harder for beginners.
One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome content
is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the gadget that
would let the user navigate to the included page or without some
auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what actions
they need to do in order to edit that content.
Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can be scary
and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be very-very
simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's content.
Its only purpose will be to let users add textual information inside a
dashboard.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity content,
code in general, boxes, success messages, etc. but no way to put just a
simple text inside the dashboard.
Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget and instead type
directly the content in wysiwyg mode.
I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget dialog box that allows
to specify the title and for the content it should display the WYSIWYG editor, thus
allowing to insert macros like for any content.
Thanks
-Vincent
3:32 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
Hi Caty,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest overhead.
Caty, you could even offer it right away as an extension on
extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We could
call it "gadget text" if that makes you feel better.
One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget dialog
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday :-)
Hi,
I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you wiki"
gadget) from the homepage.
There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that particular
gadget and that make the job especially harder for beginners.
One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
content
is an "include" gadget. Without some
custom actions for the gadget that
would let the user navigate to the included page or without some
auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what actions
they need to do in order to edit that content.
Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can be
scary
and confusing for users (context, reference,
section, type, etc.).
My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be
very-very
simple and will contain just the gadget's
title and the gadget's content.
Its only purpose will be to let users add textual information inside a
dashboard.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
Right now we
have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity content,
code in general, boxes, success messages, etc. but no way to put just a
simple text inside the dashboard.
Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget
and instead type directly the content in wysiwyg mode.
I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
box that allows to specify the title and for the
content it should display
the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to insert macros like for any content.
This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going to
take ages, with nobody assigned to it right now. Caty's solution is both
faster and simpler.
I'm +1!
Guillaume
Thanks
-Vincent
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3:45 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi Caty,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest overhead.
Caty, you could even offer it right away as an extension on
extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We could
call it "gadget text" if that makes you feel better.
One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget dialog
IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
1) Agree about where we want to go
2) Decide how to get there
3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1) would take too long
and the feature/issue is needed quickly
What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
* you may be making incompatible choices
* it's very very difficult to remove something
* 1) might not be that hard
Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users is going to look for
it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it unnecessarily
complex for the user.
If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the same ability as he
already knows about to add content it'll be much more effective.
It shouldn't be complex since we already have all the pieces. Since I've not been
close to this code I'm curious to get feedback from Anca and Marius about the idea and
the time it would take to achieve it.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday :-)
Hi,
I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you wiki"
gadget) from the homepage.
There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that particular
gadget and that make the job especially harder for beginners.
One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
content
is an "include" gadget. Without some
custom actions for the gadget that
would let the user navigate to the included page or without some
auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what actions
they need to do in order to edit that content.
Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can be
scary
and confusing for users (context, reference,
section, type, etc.).
My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be
very-very
simple and will contain just the gadget's
title and the gadget's content.
Its only purpose will be to let users add textual information inside a
dashboard.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
Right now
we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity content,
code in general, boxes, success messages, etc. but no way to put just a
simple text inside the dashboard.
Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget
and instead type directly the content in wysiwyg mode.
I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
box that allows to specify the title and for the
content it should display
the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to insert macros like for any content.
This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going to
take ages, with nobody assigned to it right now. Caty's solution is both
faster and simpler.
I'm +1! 
4:57 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi Caty,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest overhead.
Caty, you could even offer it right away as an extension on
extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We could
call it "gadget text" if that makes you feel better.
One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget dialog
IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
1) Agree about where we want to go
2) Decide how to get there
3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1) would take too long
and the feature/issue is needed quickly
What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
* you may be making incompatible choices
* it's very very difficult to remove something
* 1) might not be that hard
Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users is going to look
for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it unnecessarily
complex for the user.
If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the same ability as
he already knows about to add content it'll be much more effective.
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday :-)
Hi,
I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you wiki"
gadget) from the homepage.
There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that particular
gadget and that make the job especially harder for beginners.
One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
content
is an "include" gadget. Without some
custom actions for the gadget that
would let the user navigate to the included page or without some
auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what actions
they need to do in order to edit that content.
Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can be
scary
and confusing for users (context, reference,
section, type, etc.).
My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be
very-very
simple and will contain just the gadget's
title and the gadget's content.
Its only purpose will be to let users add textual information inside a
dashboard.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
Right now
we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity content,
code in general, boxes, success messages, etc. but no way to put just a
simple text inside the dashboard.
Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget
and instead type directly the content in wysiwyg mode.
I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
box that allows to specify the title and for the
content it should display
the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to insert macros like for any content.
This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going to
take ages, with nobody assigned to it right now. Caty's solution is both
faster and simpler.
I'm +1! It shouldn't be complex since we already have all
the pieces. Since I've not been close to this code I'm curious to get feedback
from Anca and Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one. And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from a list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro? Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special one whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Thanks,
Marius
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:14 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
>>> editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you
wiki"
>
>>> Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity
content,
would take
too long and the feature/issue is needed quickly
At first it could be a simple text field, without WYSIWYG. It would already
be much better than the current implementation.
Guillaume
Thanks,
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>> gadget) from the homepage.
>>> There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that
particular
>>> gadget and that make the job
especially harder for beginners.
>>>
>>> One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
>> content
>>> is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the gadget
that
>>> would let the user navigate to the
included page or without some
>>> auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
>>> understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what
actions
>>> they need to do in order to edit that
content.
>>> Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can
be
>> scary
>>> and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
>>>
>>> My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be
>> very-very
>>> simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's
content.
>>> Its only purpose will be to let users
add textual information inside a
>>> dashboard.
>>>
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
>>
>
> I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday
:-)
>>> code in general, boxes, success
messages, etc. but no way to put just
a
>>> simple text inside the dashboard.
>>
>> Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget
>> and instead type directly the content in wysiwyg mode.
>>
>> I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
>>
>
> It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest
overhead.
> Caty, you could even offer it right away as
an extension on
> extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We could
> call it "gadget text" if that makes you feel better.
>
> One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget
dialog
>> box that allows to specify the title and
for the content it should
display
>> the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to
insert macros like for any
content.
>>
>
> This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going
to
take
ages, with nobody assigned to it right now. Caty's solution is both
faster and simpler.
I'm +1!
IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
1) Agree about where we want to go
2) Decide how to get there
3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1)
What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
* you may be making incompatible choices
* it's very very difficult to remove something
* 1) might not be that hard
Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users is
going to
look for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it
unnecessarily complex for the user.
If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the
same
ability as he already knows about to add content it'll be much more
effective.
It shouldn't be complex since we already have
all the pieces. Since I've
not been close to this code I'm curious to get
feedback from Anca and
Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one. And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from a list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro? Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special one whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Marius
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:18 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Indeed, good point.
It's not the case here but it's probably the major use case, even though we
don't yet have any real gadget to use… Macros are not really Gadgets. Macros are
reusable building blocks while gadgets are supposed to do something specific display stuff
nicely,etc. We have a few macros that can act as gadgets like the {{document}} macro or
{{activity}} for ex.
We discussed in the past having a "Gadget" content type but we didn't
conclude and it's a bit awkward.
The problem right now is that users get to see all macros that exist, even complex and
technical ones rather than see upfront a selected list of nice macro/gadget to use for a
dashboard.
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi Caty,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
1) Agree about where we want to go
2) Decide how to get there
3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1) would take too long
and the feature/issue is needed quickly
What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
* you may be making incompatible choices
* it's very very difficult to remove something
* 1) might not be that hard
Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users is going to look
for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it unnecessarily
complex for the user.
If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the same ability as
he already knows about to add content it'll be much more effective.
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
> editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you wiki"
> gadget) from the homepage.
> There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that particular
> gadget and that make the job especially harder for beginners.
>
> One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
content
> is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the gadget that
> would let the user navigate to the included page or without some
> auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
> understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what actions
> they need to do in order to edit that content.
> Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can be
scary
> and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
>
> My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be
very-very
> simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's content.
> Its only purpose will be to let users add textual information inside a
> dashboard.
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday :-)
> Right now we have specialized gadgets for
HTML content, velocity content,
> code in general, boxes, success messages, etc. but no way to put just a
> simple text inside the dashboard.
Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget
and instead type directly the content in wysiwyg mode.
I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest overhead.
Caty, you could even offer it right away as an extension on
extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We could
call it "gadget text" if that makes you feel better.
One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget dialog
box that allows to specify the title and for the
content it should display
the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to insert macros like for any content.
This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going to
take ages, with nobody assigned to it right now. Caty's solution is both
faster and simpler.
I'm +1! It shouldn't be complex since we already have
all the pieces. Since I've not been close to this code I'm curious to get feedback
from Anca and Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one. And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from a
list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro?
Yes you're right. This is more a use case for creating a new widget.
BTW right now we cannot edit a gadget that doesn't use a macro as its top content. You
get an error popup when you try this, telling you to use the object editor. At some point
it would be nice to fix this.
Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special one
whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Yes. It's the same topic as the "macro-specific editor" topic, which is a
complex one.
Just got an idea. What I didn't like was to have a {{text}} macro that has no meaning
when used outside of the dashboard but I think we can reconcile the best of both worlds
since there's a macro we've been wanting to have for some time to allow to write
markup in any markup language.
So we could call it {{content}} and it could have an optional parameter called
"syntax" to specify the syntax of its content; if not specified it would default
to the syntax of the current doc in which it is put.
So full form would be {{content syntax="xwiki/2.1"}}….{{/content}}.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
5:20 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
> It shouldn't be complex since we already have all the pieces. Since
I've not been close to this code I'm curious to get feedback from Anca and
Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
Looks like an appropriate solution.
Guillaume
Thanks
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
>>>> editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you
wiki"
>>>> gadget) from the homepage.
>>>> There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that
particular
>>>> gadget and that make the job
especially harder for beginners.
>>>>
>>>> One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
>>> content
>>>> is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the
gadget
that
>>>> would let the user navigate to
the included page or without some
>>>> auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
>>>> understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what
actions
>>>> they need to do in order to edit
that content.
>>>> Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that
can be
>>> scary
>>>> and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will
be
>>> very-very
>>>> simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's
content.
>>>> Its only purpose will be to let
users add textual information inside
a
>>>> dashboard.
>>>>
>>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday
:-)
>>
>>
>>>> Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity
content,
>>>> code in general, boxes, success
messages, etc. but no way to put
just a
>>>> simple text inside the
dashboard.
>>>
>>> Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a
gadget
>>> and instead type directly the content
in wysiwyg mode.
>>>
>>> I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
>>>
>>
>> It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest
overhead.
>> Caty, you could even offer it right away
as an extension on
>> extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We
could
>> call it "gadget text" if that
makes you feel better.
>>
>> One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget
dialog
>>> box that allows to specify the title
and for the content it should
display
>>> the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to
insert macros like for any
content.
>>>
>>
>> This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going
to
>> take ages, with nobody assigned to it
right now. Caty's solution is
both
>> faster and simpler.
>>
>> I'm +1!
>
> IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
> 1) Agree about where we want to go
> 2) Decide how to get there
> 3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1)
would
take too long and the feature/issue is needed quickly
>
> What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
> * you may be making incompatible choices
> * it's very very difficult to remove something
> * 1) might not be that hard
>
> Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users
is going
to look for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
>
> IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it
unnecessarily complex for the user.
>
> If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the
same
ability as he already knows about to add content it'll be much more
effective.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one.
Indeed, good point.
It's not the case here but it's probably the major use case, even though
we don't yet have any real gadget to use… Macros are not really Gadgets.
Macros are reusable building blocks while gadgets are supposed to do
something specific display stuff nicely,etc. We have a few macros that can
act as gadgets like the {{document}} macro or {{activity}} for ex.
We discussed in the past having a "Gadget" content type but we didn't
conclude and it's a bit awkward.
The problem right now is that users get to see all macros that exist, even
complex and technical ones rather than see upfront a selected list of nice
macro/gadget to use for a dashboard.
And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from
a list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro?
Yes you're right. This is more a use case for creating a new widget.
BTW right now we cannot edit a gadget that doesn't use a macro as its top
content. You get an error popup when you try this, telling you to use the
object editor. At some point it would be nice to fix this.
Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special
one whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Yes. It's the same topic as the "macro-specific editor" topic, which is a
complex one.
Just got an idea. What I didn't like was to have a {{text}} macro that has
no meaning when used outside of the dashboard but I think we can reconcile
the best of both worlds since there's a macro we've been wanting to have
for some time to allow to write markup in any markup language.
So we could call it {{content}} and it could have an optional parameter
called "syntax" to specify the syntax of its content; if not specified it
would default to the syntax of the current doc in which it is put.
So full form would be {{content syntax="xwiki/2.1"}}….{{/content}}.
WDYT?
-Vincent
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5:23 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
> It shouldn't be complex since we already have all the pieces. Since
I've not been close to this code I'm curious to get feedback from Anca and
Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
It would do the trick but the initial proposal includes a "title", which
wouldn't fit here AFAICT.
JV.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
>>>> editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you
wiki"
>>>> gadget) from the homepage.
>>>> There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that
particular
>>>> gadget and that make the job
especially harder for beginners.
>>>>
>>>> One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
>>> content
>>>> is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the
gadget
that
>>>> would let the user navigate to
the included page or without some
>>>> auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
>>>> understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what
actions
>>>> they need to do in order to edit
that content.
>>>> Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that
can be
>>> scary
>>>> and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will
be
>>> very-very
>>>> simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's
content.
>>>> Its only purpose will be to let
users add textual information inside
a
>>>> dashboard.
>>>>
>>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday
:-)
>>
>>
>>>> Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity
content,
>>>> code in general, boxes, success
messages, etc. but no way to put
just a
>>>> simple text inside the
dashboard.
>>>
>>> Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a
gadget
>>> and instead type directly the content
in wysiwyg mode.
>>>
>>> I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
>>>
>>
>> It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest
overhead.
>> Caty, you could even offer it right away
as an extension on
>> extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We
could
>> call it "gadget text" if that
makes you feel better.
>>
>> One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget
dialog
>>> box that allows to specify the title
and for the content it should
display
>>> the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to
insert macros like for any
content.
>>>
>>
>> This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going
to
>> take ages, with nobody assigned to it
right now. Caty's solution is
both
>> faster and simpler.
>>
>> I'm +1!
>
> IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
> 1) Agree about where we want to go
> 2) Decide how to get there
> 3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1)
would
take too long and the feature/issue is needed quickly
>
> What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
> * you may be making incompatible choices
> * it's very very difficult to remove something
> * 1) might not be that hard
>
> Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users
is going
to look for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
>
> IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it
unnecessarily complex for the user.
>
> If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the
same
ability as he already knows about to add content it'll be much more
effective.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one.
Indeed, good point.
It's not the case here but it's probably the major use case, even though
we don't yet have any real gadget to use… Macros are not really Gadgets.
Macros are reusable building blocks while gadgets are supposed to do
something specific display stuff nicely,etc. We have a few macros that can
act as gadgets like the {{document}} macro or {{activity}} for ex.
We discussed in the past having a "Gadget" content type but we didn't
conclude and it's a bit awkward.
The problem right now is that users get to see all macros that exist, even
complex and technical ones rather than see upfront a selected list of nice
macro/gadget to use for a dashboard.
And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from
a list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro?
Yes you're right. This is more a use case for creating a new widget.
BTW right now we cannot edit a gadget that doesn't use a macro as its top
content. You get an error popup when you try this, telling you to use the
object editor. At some point it would be nice to fix this.
Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special
one whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Yes. It's the same topic as the "macro-specific editor" topic, which is a
complex one.
Just got an idea. What I didn't like was to have a {{text}} macro that has
no meaning when used outside of the dashboard but I think we can reconcile
the best of both worlds since there's a macro we've been wanting to have
for some time to allow to write markup in any markup language.
So we could call it {{content}} and it could have an optional parameter
called "syntax" to specify the syntax of its content; if not specified it
would default to the syntax of the current doc in which it is put.
So full form would be {{content syntax="xwiki/2.1"}}….{{/content}}.
5:25 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
On Jun 29, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
AFAIK, the title is added automatically by the Dashboard gadget editor. This is the same
for all macros/gadgets.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
> It shouldn't be complex since we already have all the pieces. Since
I've not been close to this code I'm curious to get feedback from Anca and
Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
It would do the trick but the initial proposal includes a "title", which
wouldn't fit here AFAICT. On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
>>>> editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you
wiki"
>>>> gadget) from the homepage.
>>>> There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that
particular
>>>> gadget and that make the job
especially harder for beginners.
>>>>
>>>> One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
>>> content
>>>> is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the
gadget
that
>>>> would let the user navigate to
the included page or without some
>>>> auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
>>>> understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what
actions
>>>> they need to do in order to edit
that content.
>>>> Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that
can be
>>> scary
>>>> and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will
be
>>> very-very
>>>> simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's
content.
>>>> Its only purpose will be to let
users add textual information inside
a
>>>> dashboard.
>>>>
>>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday
:-)
>>
>>
>>>> Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity
content,
>>>> code in general, boxes, success
messages, etc. but no way to put
just a
>>>> simple text inside the
dashboard.
>>>
>>> Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a
gadget
>>> and instead type directly the content
in wysiwyg mode.
>>>
>>> I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
>>>
>>
>> It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest
overhead.
>> Caty, you could even offer it right away
as an extension on
>> extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We
could
>> call it "gadget text" if that
makes you feel better.
>>
>> One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget
dialog
>>> box that allows to specify the title
and for the content it should
display
>>> the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to
insert macros like for any
content.
>>>
>>
>> This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going
to
>> take ages, with nobody assigned to it
right now. Caty's solution is
both
>> faster and simpler.
>>
>> I'm +1!
>
> IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
> 1) Agree about where we want to go
> 2) Decide how to get there
> 3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1)
would
take too long and the feature/issue is needed quickly
>
> What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
> * you may be making incompatible choices
> * it's very very difficult to remove something
> * 1) might not be that hard
>
> Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users
is going
to look for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
>
> IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it
unnecessarily complex for the user.
>
> If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the
same
ability as he already knows about to add content it'll be much more
effective.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one.
Indeed, good point.
It's not the case here but it's probably the major use case, even though
we don't yet have any real gadget to use… Macros are not really Gadgets.
Macros are reusable building blocks while gadgets are supposed to do
something specific display stuff nicely,etc. We have a few macros that can
act as gadgets like the {{document}} macro or {{activity}} for ex.
We discussed in the past having a "Gadget" content type but we didn't
conclude and it's a bit awkward.
The problem right now is that users get to see all macros that exist, even
complex and technical ones rather than see upfront a selected list of nice
macro/gadget to use for a dashboard.
And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from
a list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro?
Yes you're right. This is more a use case for creating a new widget.
BTW right now we cannot edit a gadget that doesn't use a macro as its top
content. You get an error popup when you try this, telling you to use the
object editor. At some point it would be nice to fix this.
Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special
one whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Yes. It's the same topic as the "macro-specific editor" topic, which is a
complex one.
Just got an idea. What I didn't like was to have a {{text}} macro that has
no meaning when used outside of the dashboard but I think we can reconcile
the best of both worlds since there's a macro we've been wanting to have
for some time to allow to write markup in any markup language.
So we could call it {{content}} and it could have an optional parameter
called "syntax" to specify the syntax of its content; if not specified it
would default to the syntax of the current doc in which it is put.
So full form would be {{content syntax="xwiki/2.1"}}….{{/content}}.
27 Aug
27 Aug
6:38 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
On Jun 29, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
FYI I've now implemented it in 4.2M3:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Content+Macro
Thanks
-Vincent
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
AFAIK, the title is added automatically by the Dashboard gadget editor. This is the same
for all macros/gadgets.
On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
It would do the trick but the initial proposal includes a "title", which
wouldn't fit here AFAICT. On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
>>>> editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you
wiki"
>>>> gadget) from the homepage.
>>>> There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that
particular
>>>> gadget and that make the job
especially harder for beginners.
>>>>
>>>> One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
>>> content
>>>> is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the
gadget
that
>>>> would let the user navigate to
the included page or without some
>>>> auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
>>>> understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what
actions
>>>> they need to do in order to edit
that content.
>>>> Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that
can be
>>> scary
>>>> and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will
be
>>> very-very
>>>> simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's
content.
>>>> Its only purpose will be to let
users add textual information inside
a
>>>> dashboard.
>>>>
>>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday
:-)
>>
>>
>>>> Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity
content,
>>>> code in general, boxes, success
messages, etc. but no way to put
just a
>>>> simple text inside the
dashboard.
>>>
>>> Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a
gadget
>>> and instead type directly the content
in wysiwyg mode.
>>>
>>> I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
>>>
>>
>> It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest
overhead.
>> Caty, you could even offer it right away
as an extension on
>> extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We
could
>> call it "gadget text" if that
makes you feel better.
>>
>> One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget
dialog
>>> box that allows to specify the title
and for the content it should
display
>>> the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to
insert macros like for any
content.
>>>
>>
>> This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going
to
>> take ages, with nobody assigned to it
right now. Caty's solution is
both
>> faster and simpler.
>>
>> I'm +1!
>
> IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
> 1) Agree about where we want to go
> 2) Decide how to get there
> 3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1)
would
take too long and the feature/issue is needed quickly
>
> What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
> * you may be making incompatible choices
> * it's very very difficult to remove something
> * 1) might not be that hard
>
> Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users
is going
to look for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
>
> IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it
unnecessarily complex for the user.
>
> If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the
same
ability as he already knows about to add content it'll be much more
effective.
>
> It shouldn't be complex since we already have all the pieces. Since
I've not been close to this code I'm curious to get feedback from Anca and
Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one.
Indeed, good point.
It's not the case here but it's probably the major use case, even though
we don't yet have any real gadget to use… Macros are not really Gadgets.
Macros are reusable building blocks while gadgets are supposed to do
something specific display stuff nicely,etc. We have a few macros that can
act as gadgets like the {{document}} macro or {{activity}} for ex.
We discussed in the past having a "Gadget" content type but we didn't
conclude and it's a bit awkward.
The problem right now is that users get to see all macros that exist, even
complex and technical ones rather than see upfront a selected list of nice
macro/gadget to use for a dashboard.
And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from
a list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro?
Yes you're right. This is more a use case for creating a new widget.
BTW right now we cannot edit a gadget that doesn't use a macro as its top
content. You get an error popup when you try this, telling you to use the
object editor. At some point it would be nice to fix this.
Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special
one whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Yes. It's the same topic as the "macro-specific editor" topic, which is a
complex one.
Just got an idea. What I didn't like was to have a {{text}} macro that has
no meaning when used outside of the dashboard but I think we can reconcile
the best of both worlds since there's a macro we've been wanting to have
for some time to allow to write markup in any markup language.
So we could call it {{content}} and it could have an optional parameter
called "syntax" to specify the syntax of its content; if not specified it
would default to the syntax of the current doc in which it is put.
So full form would be {{content syntax="xwiki/2.1"}}….{{/content}}.
29 Jun
29 Jun
5:24 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Proposal] Improvements on editing welcome block
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Indeed, good point.
It's not the case here but it's probably the major use case, even though we
don't yet have any real gadget to use… Macros are not really Gadgets. Macros are
reusable building blocks while gadgets are supposed to do something specific display stuff
nicely,etc. We have a few macros that can act as gadgets like the {{document}} macro or
{{activity}} for ex.
We discussed in the past having a "Gadget" content type but we didn't
conclude and it's a bit awkward.
The problem right now is that users get to see all macros that exist, even complex and
technical ones rather than see upfront a selected list of nice macro/gadget to use for a
dashboard.
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi Caty,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
>> editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you
wiki"
>> gadget) from the homepage.
>> There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that particular
>> gadget and that make the job especially harder for beginners.
>>
>> One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
> content
>> is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the gadget
that
>> would let the user navigate to the included page or without some
>> auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
>> understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what actions
>> they need to do in order to edit that content.
>> Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can be
> scary
>> and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
>>
>> My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be
> very-very
>> simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's
content.
>> Its only purpose will be to let users add textual information inside a
>> dashboard.
>>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
>
I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday :-)
>> Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity content,
>> code in general, boxes, success messages, etc. but no way to put just a
>> simple text inside the dashboard.
>
> Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget
> and instead type directly the content in wysiwyg mode.
>
> I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
>
It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest overhead.
Caty, you could even offer it right away as an extension on
extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We could
call it "gadget text" if that makes you feel better.
One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget dialog
> box that allows to specify the title and for the content it should display
> the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to insert macros like for any content.
>
This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going to
take ages, with nobody assigned to it right now. Caty's solution is both
faster and simpler.
I'm +1!
IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
1) Agree about where we want to go
2) Decide how to get there
3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1) would take too long
and the feature/issue is needed quickly
What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
* you may be making incompatible choices
* it's very very difficult to remove something
* 1) might not be that hard
Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users is going to look
for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it unnecessarily
complex for the user.
If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the same ability as
he already knows about to add content it'll be much more effective.
It shouldn't be complex since we already have
all the pieces. Since I've not been close to this code I'm curious to get feedback
from Anca and Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one. And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from
a list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro?
Yes you're right. This is more a use case for creating a new widget.
BTW right now we cannot edit a gadget that doesn't use a macro as its top content.
You get an error popup when you try this, telling you to use the object editor. At some
point it would be nice to fix this.
Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special
one whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Yes. It's the same topic as the "macro-specific editor" topic, which is a
complex one.
Just got an idea. What I didn't like was to have a {{text}} macro that has no meaning
when used outside of the dashboard but I think we can reconcile the best of both worlds
since there's a macro we've been wanting to have for some time to allow to write
markup in any markup language.
So we could call it {{content}} and it could have an
optional parameter called "syntax" to specify the syntax of its content; if not
specified it would default to the syntax of the current doc in which it is put.
So full form would be {{content syntax="xwiki/2.1"}}….{{/content}}.
WDYT?
Indeed, such a macro could be useful, +1
Thanks,
Marius
Thanks
-Vincent
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Vincent Massol