Hi Caty, wrote: will http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal the +1 Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Hello Caty, On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com will http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal I think these two are the same one, they should be collapsed into only one template. I don't really understand the differences between these two.

Should be called Meeting Report (or meeting notes), so that the difference with the meeting extension is more obvious.

Should have the word Table of Contents in the name, so that its purpose is obvious from the start (otherwise "simple page" and the default "blank page" are not very easy to differentiate ).

Another template could be added, "Index page", with a simple livetable listing all the children (and descendants) pages of the current page. It's handy when creating the root page of a subtree on the wiki (would have the same purpose as "Dashboard", to be a scripted homepage from where the subtree of that page can be accessed). Thanks, Anca the _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Anca Luca &lt;lucaa(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: would http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal one The differences are in layout.

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In case we don't like a particular Template, then the best strategy is to have individual votes for them. @Anca, from your feedback is hard to know if you prefer Article over Encyclopedia. Since we need to release 8.2 final at the end of the week I would like to advance with this topic: either by committing all the proposed templates or just a subset, but I need more opinions. Status: 1. Article (Article page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty 2. Encyclopedia (Encyclopedia page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty 3. Meeting Report (Agenda and notes): 1+ Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca 4. Simple Page (With table of content): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca Thanks, Caty On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Anca Luca &lt;lucaa(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: templates http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal only two. of usecase more In bloat purpose "blank http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/WebHom… livetable have _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Hi, +1, generally. I also feel a bit frustrated by the seeming redundancy of having both Article and Encyclopedia on one side and Meeting Report and Simple page onthe other, since from a helicopter view they are 95% identical. However, I believe that the whole point of templates is to have a very specialized usecase that is answered and that the user can immediately use. If every time someone wants a simple page, but selects meeting notes and removes a lot of formatting, then they will just end up creating a simple page template. These are just a couple of usages that we consider to be very common and which we decide to offer some help by default (in the default flavor). Others could be added (even from Caty`s extended list), since we`re missing tables, macros and many other useful XWiki features that are otherwise hard to discover. Thanks, Eduard On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Alexandru Cotiuga < alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: to to templates wrote: XWiki, particular http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal goal interesting idea http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/WebHom… _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:48, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: My preference goes towards a templates package, for start, in contrib, that is included in the default flavor.

Thanks, Eduard > > Thanks, > Caty > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> +1, generally. >> >> I also feel a bit frustrated by the seeming redundancy of having both >> Article and Encyclopedia on one side and Meeting Report and Simple page >> onthe other, since from a helicopter view they are 95% identical. > However, >> I believe that the whole point of templates is to have a very specialized >> usecase that is answered and that the user can immediately use. If every >> time someone wants a simple page, but selects meeting notes and removes a >> lot of formatting, then they will just end up creating a simple page >> template. >> >> These are just a couple of usages that we consider to be very common and >> which we decide to offer some help by default (in the default flavor). >> Others could be added (even from Caty`s extended list), since we`re > missing >> tables, macros and many other useful XWiki features that are otherwise > hard >> to discover. >> >> Thanks, >> Eduard >> >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Alexandru Cotiuga < >> alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> + 1 for all >>> The difference between Article and Encyclopedia could be increased by >>> adding other specific elements on each one's layout. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> In case we don't like a particular Template, then the best strategy > is >> to >>>> have individual votes for them. >>>> >>>> @Anca, from your feedback is hard to know if you prefer Article over >>>> Encyclopedia. >>>> >>>> Since we need to release 8.2 final at the end of the week I would > like >> to >>>> advance with this topic: either by committing all the proposed >> templates >>> or >>>> just a subset, but I need more opinions. >>>> >>>> Status: >>>> 1. Article (Article page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty >>>> 2. Encyclopedia (Encyclopedia page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty >>>> 3. Meeting Report (Agenda and notes): 1+ Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca >>>> 4. Simple Page (With table of content): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Caty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Anca Luca &lt;lucaa(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Anca Luca &lt;lucaa(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Caty, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By default there are not many page templates an user could > see. >>>>>>>> In order for users to understand the power and purpose of >> XWiki, >>> it >>>>>> would >>>>>>>> be helpful to add more content templates by default. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Content Templates are templates that don't belong to a >> particular >>>>>>>> application, but provides an initial content structure. The >>>> templates >>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be suggested in the creation step. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here are some templates we could add by default: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal >>>>>>>> 1. Article >>>>>>>> 2. Encyclopedia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think these two are the same one, they should be collapsed > into >>>> only >>>>>> one >>>>>>> template. I don't really understand the differences between > these >>>> two. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The differences are in layout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In my opinion this is not enough to have both of them. For me, the >> goal >>>> of >>>>> the templates by default is to help discover the template feature > and >>> its >>>>> benefits to users, and the way to do that would be to show >> interesting >>>>> usecases of the template feature. Having two templates for the same >>>> usecase >>>>> but with different layout is not aligned with this goal, but would > be >>>> more >>>>> aligned with the goal of showing that we can do different fancy >>> layouts. >>>> In >>>>> addition, this logic would allow to have multiple templates for the >>> other >>>>> usecases as well, with different layout, which would not be a good >> idea >>>>> (e.g. another meeting report, with a different layout) because > would >>>> bloat >>>>> the list... >>>>> >>>>> Anyone else? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Anca >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Meeting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should be called Meeting Report (or meeting notes), so that the >>>>>> difference >>>>>>> with the meeting extension is more obvious. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I will use "Meeting Report" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Simple Page >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should have the word Table of Contents in the name, so that its >>>> purpose >>>>>> is >>>>>>> obvious from the start (otherwise "simple page" and the default >>>> "blank >>>>>>> page" are not very easy to differentiate ). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> The difference is viewed in the Description, see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/WebHom… >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Caty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Another template could be added, "Index page", with a simple >>>> livetable >>>>>>> listing all the children (and descendants) pages of the current >>> page. >>>>>> It's >>>>>>> handy when creating the root page of a subtree on the wiki > (would >>>> have >>>>>> the >>>>>>> same purpose as "Dashboard", to be a scripted homepage from > where >>> the >>>>>>> subtree of that page can be accessed). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Anca >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can test them on >>>>>>>> >>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/ >>>>> (use >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Create button) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please vote if you agree these templates should be added by >>> default >>>>> or >>>>>>>> otherwise let me know your feedback. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>> _________

+1 for integrating templates. "Article" is like a blog post man while "Encyclopedia" integrates a table on the right to describe an object or something. Their objective are different. But if we decide to keep only one of them, I would be OK (Encyclopedia being my favorite). 2016-07-12 13:55 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: not but users consensus page flavor). otherwise by over Anca wrote: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal same the http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/WebHom… -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs