26 Aug
2009
26 Aug
'09
6:28 p.m.
Hi Devs,
Following-up on Caty's email (
http://markmail.org/message/3vukpehxeiflfjfw) I'd like us to get a bit
more organized when it comes to improving XWiki's
User Experience. This would allow us to make the product better and to
gather more feedback from the community (such as Thibaut's email, see
http://markmail.org/message/3bdk4jaziuqs6zvi ).
In order to make our product great I think it would be good for us to agree
on a set of standards and best practices related to UX. There are 2 levels
to this initiative:
1. Agree on a set of broad rules
2. Agree on the implementation specifics for each rule
A broad rule is a general rule that has to be followed when designing &
coding a new feature:
1. "Always design a feature with one or more specific personas in mind"
2. "Respect consistency -> all UI items in XWiki should look & behave in
the same way"
Specifics are details related to the implementation of any given rule:
1. Choose the style to use for all buttons (see
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/ for examples)
2. Define the personas we're targetting (see
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveXWikiUserExperience for
examples)
I'd like to get your feedback on the following points:
- Is that a good idea overall?
- Do you think we can make it an integral part of our development
process?
If the feedback is positive I'll start a discussion about the general UX
rules we should make XWiki follow, then new ones for the specifics of each
rule once we've agreed on some or all of them.
Thanks,
Guillaume
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26 Aug
26 Aug
6:45 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Define a set of User Experience guidelines for XWiki
Hi,
the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them in
practice.
Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are two
different things. One is about form and the other is about the logic/utility
behind the form.
Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are designing.
Thanks,
Caty
11:35 p.m.
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1. "Always design a feature with one or more
specific personas in mind"
**Love !**
I would add : "if you think personae potentially interested in your
fnctionality are not included in your design, tell it. So that an
admin who is not really award of UX will know it."
Typically usefull when people makes a design with an UX for advanced
user, despite the functionallity is usefull for beginners too.
Yet rules are best if simple imo.
2. "Respect consistency -> all UI items in
XWiki should look & behave in
the same way"
**+1000**
the way to do this is by documenting existing
standards and using them in
practice.
**+1000**
I would add :
Even if your proposition is only an image, add your sources (.svg,
.gimp...) so that people can fork easily it to add great evolution
propositions.
Thanks
Thibaut
2009/8/26 Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Hi,
>
the way to do this is by documenting existing
standards and using them in
practice.
>
> Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are two
> different things. One is about form and the other is about the logic/utility
> behind the form.
>
> Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are designing.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
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28 Aug
28 Aug
6:09 p.m.
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Hi,
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them in
practice.
Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are two
different things. One is about form and the other is about the
logic/utility
behind the form.
Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are designing.
My point here wasn't to start debating the merits of a given rule. What I'd
like us to agree on is broader: do we want to start collecting and enforcing
a set of rules related to User Experience in the same fashion we have
defined a set of rules for development practices?
Once we agree on that, we can start collecting rules and have each of those
rules voted upon so that they are validated by the community and become
official rules for the project. Whatever rules we choose to apply (be them
related to consistency or personas or anything else) we first need to have
the community vote on them.
So here's my first question: do we want to create a set of official user
experience rules for XWiki?
I think doing so would help us make XWiki a better product since user
experience is key in making a piece of software easier to use. Some user
experience guidelines (such as "using personas") can help us make sure all
the people involved in creating XWiki software have the same understanding
of XWiki users' needs. Other guidelines (such as "keep interfaces
consistent") would help us ensure that the software we create follows common
usability rules.
Here's my +1 to the idea of having rules related to user experience when
developing XWiki software.
If this idea gets accepted by the community I'll initiate a process to
collect individual rules and vote them.
Thanks for your feedback,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Caty
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6:42 p.m.
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+1
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:09, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them in
practice.
Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are
two
different things. One is about form and the other
is about the
logic/utility
behind the form.
Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are
designing.
My point here wasn't to start debating the merits of a given rule. What I'd
like us to agree on is broader: do we want to start collecting and
enforcing
a set of rules related to User Experience in the same fashion we have
defined a set of rules for development practices?
Once we agree on that, we can start collecting rules and have each of those
rules voted upon so that they are validated by the community and become
official rules for the project. Whatever rules we choose to apply (be them
related to consistency or personas or anything else) we first need to have
the community vote on them.
So here's my first question: do we want to create a set of official user
experience rules for XWiki?
I think doing so would help us make XWiki a better product since user
experience is key in making a piece of software easier to use. Some user
experience guidelines (such as "using personas") can help us make sure all
the people involved in creating XWiki software have the same understanding
of XWiki users' needs. Other guidelines (such as "keep interfaces
consistent") would help us ensure that the software we create follows
common
usability rules.
Here's my +1 to the idea of having rules related to user experience when
developing XWiki software.
If this idea gets accepted by the community I'll initiate a process to
collect individual rules and vote them.
Thanks for your feedback,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Caty
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Ok sorry did'nt understood...
+1
Rules will help to communicate on UX requierments.
2009/8/28 Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
+1
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:09, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com
I'd
wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them
in
practice.
Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are
two
different things. One is about form and the other
is about the
logic/utility
behind the form.
Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are
designing.
My point here wasn't to start debating the merits of a given rule. What like us to agree on is broader: do we want to
start collecting and
enforcing
a set of rules related to User Experience in the same fashion we have
defined a set of rules for development practices?
Once we agree on that, we can start collecting rules and have each of
those
rules voted upon so that they are validated by
the community and become
official rules for the project. Whatever rules we choose to apply (be
them
related to consistency or personas or anything
else) we first need to
have
the community vote on them.
So here's my first question: do we want to create a set of official user
experience rules for XWiki?
I think doing so would help us make XWiki a better product since user
experience is key in making a piece of software easier to use. Some user
experience guidelines (such as "using personas") can help us make sure
all
the people involved in creating XWiki software
have the same
understanding
of XWiki users' needs. Other guidelines (such
as "keep interfaces
consistent") would help us ensure that the software we create follows
common
usability rules.
Here's my +1 to the idea of having rules related to user experience when
developing XWiki software.
If this idea gets accepted by the community I'll initiate a process to
collect individual rules and vote them.
Thanks for your feedback,
Guillaume
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29 Aug
9:49 a.m.
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Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them in
practice.
Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are two
different things. One is about form and the other is about the
logic/utility
behind the form.
Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are designing.
My point here wasn't to start debating the merits of a given rule. What I'd
like us to agree on is broader: do we want to start collecting and enforcing
a set of rules related to User Experience in the same fashion we have
defined a set of rules for development practices?
Once we agree on that, we can start collecting rules and have each of those
rules voted upon so that they are validated by the community and become
official rules for the project. Whatever rules we choose to apply (be them
related to consistency or personas or anything else) we first need to have
the community vote on them.
So here's my first question: do we want to create a set of official user
experience rules for XWiki?
I think doing so would help us make XWiki a better product since user
experience is key in making a piece of software easier to use. Some user
experience guidelines (such as "using personas") can help us make sure all
the people involved in creating XWiki software have the same understanding
of XWiki users' needs. Other guidelines (such as "keep interfaces
consistent") would help us ensure that the software we create follows common
usability rules.
Here's my +1 to the idea of having rules related
to user experience when
developing XWiki software.
+1 too
Thanks,
Marius
If this idea gets accepted by the community I'll initiate a process to
collect individual rules and vote them.
Thanks for your feedback,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Caty
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11:46 a.m.
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+1
JV.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Guillaume Lerouge<guillaume(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them in
practice.
Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are two
different things. One is about form and the other is about the
logic/utility
behind the form.
Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are designing.
My point here wasn't to start debating the merits of a given rule. What I'd
like us to agree on is broader: do we want to start collecting and enforcing
a set of rules related to User Experience in the same fashion we have
defined a set of rules for development practices?
Once we agree on that, we can start collecting rules and have each of those
rules voted upon so that they are validated by the community and become
official rules for the project. Whatever rules we choose to apply (be them
related to consistency or personas or anything else) we first need to have
the community vote on them.
So here's my first question: do we want to create a set of official user
experience rules for XWiki?
I think doing so would help us make XWiki a better product since user
experience is key in making a piece of software easier to use. Some user
experience guidelines (such as "using personas") can help us make sure all
the people involved in creating XWiki software have the same understanding
of XWiki users' needs. Other guidelines (such as "keep interfaces
consistent") would help us ensure that the software we create follows common
usability rules.
Here's my +1 to the idea of having rules related to user experience when
developing XWiki software.
If this idea gets accepted by the community I'll initiate a process to
collect individual rules and vote them.
Thanks for your feedback,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Caty
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+1
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:09, Guillaume Lerouge<guillaume(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Hi,
the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them in
practice.
Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are two
different things. One is about form and the other is about the
logic/utility
behind the form.
Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are designing.
My point here wasn't to start debating the merits of a given rule. What I'd
like us to agree on is broader: do we want to start collecting and enforcing
a set of rules related to User Experience in the same fashion we have
defined a set of rules for development practices?
Once we agree on that, we can start collecting rules and have each of those
rules voted upon so that they are validated by the community and become
official rules for the project. Whatever rules we choose to apply (be them
related to consistency or personas or anything else) we first need to have
the community vote on them.
So here's my first question: do we want to create a set of official user
experience rules for XWiki?
I think doing so would help us make XWiki a better product since user
experience is key in making a piece of software easier to use. Some user
experience guidelines (such as "using personas") can help us make sure all
the people involved in creating XWiki software have the same understanding
of XWiki users' needs. Other guidelines (such as "keep interfaces
consistent") would help us ensure that the software we create follows common
usability rules.
Here's my +1 to the idea of having rules related to user experience when
developing XWiki software.
If this idea gets accepted by the community I'll initiate a process to
collect individual rules and vote them.
Thanks for your feedback,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Caty
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Thomas Mortagne wrote:
+1
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:09, Guillaume Lerouge<guillaume(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them in
>> practice.
>>
>> Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are two
>> different things. One is about form and the other is about the
>> logic/utility
>> behind the form.
>>
>> Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are designing.
>
> My point here wasn't to start debating the merits of a given rule. What I'd
> like us to agree on is broader: do we want to start collecting and enforcing
> a set of rules related to User Experience in the same fashion we have
> defined a set of rules for development practices?
>
> Once we agree on that, we can start collecting rules and have each of those
> rules voted upon so that they are validated by the community and become
> official rules for the project. Whatever rules we choose to apply (be them
> related to consistency or personas or anything else) we first need to have
> the community vote on them.
>
> So here's my first question: do we want to create a set of official user
> experience rules for XWiki?
>
> I think doing so would help us make XWiki a better product since user
> experience is key in making a piece of software easier to use. Some user
> experience guidelines (such as "using personas") can help us make sure all
> the people involved in creating XWiki software have the same understanding
> of XWiki users' needs. Other guidelines (such as "keep interfaces
> consistent") would help us ensure that the software we create follows common
> usability rules.
>
> Here's my +1 to the idea of having rules related to user experience when
> developing XWiki software.
+1
Anca
If this idea gets accepted by the community I'll initiate a process to
collect individual rules and vote them.
Thanks for your feedback,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Caty
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+1
Raluca.
Anca Luca wrote:
Thomas Mortagne wrote:
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+1
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:09, Guillaume Lerouge<guillaume(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them in
>> practice.
>>
>> Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are two
>> different things. One is about form and the other is about the
>> logic/utility
>> behind the form.
>>
>> Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are designing.
>>
> My point here wasn't to start debating the merits of a given rule. What I'd
> like us to agree on is broader: do we want to start collecting and enforcing
> a set of rules related to User Experience in the same fashion we have
> defined a set of rules for development practices?
>
> Once we agree on that, we can start collecting rules and have each of those
> rules voted upon so that they are validated by the community and become
> official rules for the project. Whatever rules we choose to apply (be them
> related to consistency or personas or anything else) we first need to have
> the community vote on them.
>
> So here's my first question: do we want to create a set of official user
> experience rules for XWiki?
>
> I think doing so would help us make XWiki a better product since user
> experience is key in making a piece of software easier to use. Some user
> experience guidelines (such as "using personas") can help us make sure all
> the people involved in creating XWiki software have the same understanding
> of XWiki users' needs. Other guidelines (such as "keep interfaces
> consistent") would help us ensure that the software we create follows common
> usability rules.
>
> Here's my +1 to the idea of having rules related to user experience when
> developing XWiki software.
>
+1
Anca
If this
idea gets accepted by the community I'll initiate a process to
collect individual rules and vote them.
Thanks for your feedback,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Caty
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8 +1, I guess the vote is passed :-)
I'll re-add the relevant section on dev.xwiki.org with the nice icon.
I'll start sending emails soon to discuss the first rules we want to apply.
Guillaume
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Raluca Stavro <raluca.morosan(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
+1
Raluca.
Anca Luca wrote:
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Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> +1
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:09, Guillaume Lerouge<guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> the way to do this is by documenting existing standards and using them
in
>>> practice.
>>>
>>> Still consistency and designing for more specific personas in mind are
two
>>> different things. One is about form
and the other is about the
>>> logic/utility
>>> behind the form.
>>>
>>> Consistency is a priority no matter for how many personas we are
designing.
>>>
>> My point here wasn't to start debating the merits of a given rule. What
I'd
>> like us to agree on is broader: do we
want to start collecting and
enforcing
>> a set of rules related to User Experience
in the same fashion we have
>> defined a set of rules for development practices?
>>
>> Once we agree on that, we can start collecting rules and have each of
those
>> rules voted upon so that they are
validated by the community and become
>> official rules for the project. Whatever rules we choose to apply (be
them
>> related to consistency or personas or
anything else) we first need to
have
>> the community vote on them.
>>
>> So here's my first question: do we want to create a set of official
user
>> experience rules for XWiki?
>>
>> I think doing so would help us make XWiki a better product since user
>> experience is key in making a piece of software easier to use. Some
user
>> experience guidelines (such as
"using personas") can help us make sure
all
>> the people involved in creating XWiki
software have the same
understanding
>> of XWiki users' needs. Other
guidelines (such as "keep interfaces
>> consistent") would help us ensure that the software we create follows
common
>> usability rules.
>>
>> Here's my +1 to the idea of having rules related to user experience
when
>
developing XWiki software.
>
+1
Anca
If this
idea gets accepted by the community I'll initiate a process to
collect individual rules and vote them.
Thanks for your feedback,
Guillaume
> Thanks,
> Caty
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