You forgot one proposal which I like: == Proposal D == * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example. What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki. Thanks -Vincent On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: in Workspaces http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249…

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Indeed, the proposal A was based on http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. Let me recap: - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. -- About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?

Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; the as was http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > - "Administration" > or > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current > > menus: > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are > in > > a > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current the > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > "main" > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the > > users > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > menu > > > "System" or "XWiki". > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > > content. > > > It does not look good. > > In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… also the we > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: > > once > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > > - The left menu has too many items. > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > in > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > > > > > == Proposal B == > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… put > it > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > confusing. > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The in actions. > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > own. > > > > > > == Proposal C == > > > We had also this idea: > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… Wiki" > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > > > > > --- > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I > do? > > Do > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > Mockup with the new skin: > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… have > a > > > consensus for the RC1! > > > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > > -1 for proposal C. > > > > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > * Home > ** Administration > ** --- > ** Wikis Index/Directory > ** Documents Index > > (Home/mainwiki) > * Home > ** Watch Home > ** Administer Home > ** --- > ** Wikis Index > ** Documents Index > > Thanks, > Caty > > > Louis-Marie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > devs(a)xwiki.org > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs(a)xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs(a)xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Hi. Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice. Thanks, Guillaume 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET &lt;jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com&gt; http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead persons main subwiki issue only wiki navigating over first with (which request. http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… and in between the have a > > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > > > > content. > > > > > It does not look good. > > > > > > > > > > In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… in submenu, > > we > > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > > > > > > > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > twice: > > > > once > > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > > > > - The left menu has too many items. > > > > > > > > > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > > > in > > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > > > > > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > content' > > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Proposal B == > > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, > so > > we > > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… left actually "Delete" a we organization User". customize their > > > own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Proposal C == > > > > > We had also this idea: > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… should be > > > > changed > > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > > > > > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > > > > > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > > > > Current implementation: > > > > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > > > > Mockup with the new skin: > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Same as Denis. +1 for E (Caty's proposal). I don't like the rest. Thanks, Marius On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Denis Gervalle &lt;dgl(a)softec.lu&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Hi! I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E. Thanks, Silvia On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: order http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead and users it persons main subwiki issue only other wiki navigating over first with (which request. http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… we and imagine, in between the with have a more >> > > > content. >> > > > > It does not look good. >> > > > >> > > >> > > In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… could located in a submenu, (mainwiki)). >> > > >> > > >> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >> twice: >> > > > once >> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >> > > > > - The left menu has too many items. >> > > > >> > > >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >> > > in >> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… 5.2M2, http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… left actually "Delete" more a we organization User". customize their http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… "Main should still be http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png must _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

+1 for E. It's basically what Workspaces did from the start and that was the whole point: navigation, hierarchy and consistency. I believe the first users of Workspaces found it quite intuitive and nobody complained :) Side Note: I'm also against the notion of "System" in the UI that's recently being pushed. Thanks, Eduard On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Sorin Burjan &lt;sorin.burjan(a)xwiki.com http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead wiki Can't administrate myself The current hover entry < integrate http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… screenshot) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… the when "main" menu > > >> > displays > > >> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > > with > > >> the > > >> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > >> > > > > >> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > > have a > > >> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > > more > > >> > > > content. > > >> > > > > It does not look good. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… wiki" > > >> twice: > > >> > > > once > > >> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > >> > > > > - The left menu has too many items. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > > >> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > > >> > > in > > >> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… the less related it http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Indeed, the proposal A was based on http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenu instead of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. Let me recap: - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.

-- About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing? Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 Thanks, LM 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt; http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead navigating (which request. I http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… both in the the a > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > >> > content. > >> > > It does not look good. > >> > > >> > >> In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… in submenu, > we > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > >> > >> > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > twice: > >> > once > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > >> > > - The left menu has too many items. > >> > > >> > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > >> in > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… just organization their http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… should I be http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

+1, I like this idea. Anyone else?

2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle &lt;dgl(a)softec.lu&gt; > Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same > "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real > meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a > multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having > the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only > talking about the menu label here, not the content. > > WDYT ? > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > >> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: >> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 >> >> Thanks, >> LM >> >> >> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>> &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead >>>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. >>>> >>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>>> >>>> Let me recap: >>>> >>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>>> >>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>>> >>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>>> >>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>>> >>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>>> >>> >>> I like both B and E. >>> >>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis >>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the >>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where >>> to put this menu. >>> >>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that >>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >>> >>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of >>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >>> >>> -Fabio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> About E: >>>> Some issues IMHO: >>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki > and >>>> when you are in the subwiki. >>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the > users >>> and >>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't > it >>> be >>>> confusing? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net >> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>>>> >>>>>> == Proposal D == >>>>>> >>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current > wiki >>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >> navigating >>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other >>> wikis >>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover > over >>> the >>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with > first >>>>> entry >>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry > with >>>>> "Wiki >>>>>> Index" for example. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the >>> logo as >>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>>>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi developers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>>>> Workspace >>>>>> in >>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>>>>> Workspaces >>>>>>> activated". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 >> (which >>> was >>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >> request. I >>>>> have >>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>>>> >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… >>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>> >>>>> In your screenshot is: >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>>>> ** Wiki Directory >>>>> >>>>> What it was proposed: >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Administration >>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>> ** .... >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> >>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>>>> - "Administration" >>>>> or >>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >>> current >>>>>> menus: >>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when > we >>> are >>>>> in >>>>>> a >>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate >> both >>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the >>> current >>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" > and >>>>>> several >>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, >> in >>> the >>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction > between >>>>> "main" >>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows >> the >>>>>> users >>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call >> the >>>>> menu >>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >>> displays >>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > with >>> the >>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>>>> >>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > have >> a >>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > more >>>>>> content. >>>>>>> It does not look good. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In the proposal there is >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we > could >>> also >>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >>> (especially >>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located >> in >>> the >>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have > a >>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>>>> >>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >> submenu, >>> we >>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > (mainwiki)). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >>> twice: >>>>>> once >>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> in >>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> >>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >>> content' >>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > 5.2M2, >>> so we >>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… >>>>>>> B). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the > left >>>>> side, >>>>>> we >>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > actually >>>>>> achieve >>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > "Delete" >>> or >>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it >> just >>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > more a >>>>>> "System" >>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why > we >>> put >>>>> it >>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>>>> confusing. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >> organization >>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > User". >>> The >>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >>> location in >>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >>> actions. >>>>> >>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > customize >>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it >> their >>>>> own. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… >>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > "Main >>> Wiki" >>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >> should I >>>>> do? >>>>>> Do >>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >>> because he >>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still >> be >>>>>> changed >>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>>>> Current implementation: >>>>>>> >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>>>> >>>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>>>>> regarding >>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We > must >>> have >>>>> a >>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>> >>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Administration >>>>> ** --- >>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>> >>>>> (Home/mainwiki) >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Watch Home >>>>> ** Administer Home >>>>> ** --- >>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Caty

2013/9/19 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; It is already the case when you are in the main wiki and you have subwikis (in my current proposal).

> If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right > now I'm more +0. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> 2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle &lt;dgl(a)softec.lu&gt; >> >>> Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same >>> "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real >>> meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of > a >>> multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than > having >>> the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am > only >>> talking about the menu label here, not the content. >>> >>> WDYT ? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < >>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: >>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> LM >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt; >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>>>> &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead >>>>>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > . >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me recap: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I like both B and E. >>>>> >>>>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis >>>>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the >>>>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >>>>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where >>>>> to put this menu. >>>>> >>>>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >>>>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that >>>>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >>>>> >>>>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of >>>>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >>>>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >>>>> >>>>> -Fabio >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> About E: >>>>>> Some issues IMHO: >>>>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki >>> and >>>>>> when you are in the subwiki. >>>>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the >>> users >>>>> and >>>>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't >>> it >>>>> be >>>>>> confusing? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net >>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> == Proposal D == >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current >>> wiki >>>>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >>>> navigating >>>>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other >>>>> wikis >>>>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover >>> over >>>>> the >>>>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with >>> first >>>>>>> entry >>>>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry >>> with >>>>>>> "Wiki >>>>>>>> Index" for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the >>>>> logo as >>>>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>>>>>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi developers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>>>>>> Workspace >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>>>>>>> Workspaces >>>>>>>>> activated". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 >>>> (which >>>>> was >>>>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >>>> request. I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>>>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>>>>>> >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… >>>>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In your screenshot is: >>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>>>>>> ** Wiki Directory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What it was proposed: >>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>> ** Administration >>>>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>>>> ** .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>>>>>> - "Administration" >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>>>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >>>>> current >>>>>>>> menus: >>>>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when >>> we >>>>> are >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate >>>> both >>>>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the >>>>> current >>>>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" >>> and >>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, >>>> in >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction >>> between >>>>>>> "main" >>>>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows >>>> the >>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call >>>> the >>>>>>> menu >>>>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >>>>> displays >>>>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent >>> with >>>>> the >>>>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only >>> have >>>> a >>>>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has >>> more >>>>>>>> content. >>>>>>>>> It does not look good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the proposal there is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we >>> could >>>>> also >>>>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >>>>> (especially >>>>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located >>>> in >>>>> the >>>>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have >>> a >>>>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >>>> submenu, >>>>> we >>>>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home >>> (mainwiki)). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >>>>> twice: >>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>>>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >>>>> content' >>>>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in >>> 5.2M2, >>>>> so we >>>>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… >>>>>>>>> B). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the >>> left >>>>>>> side, >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can >>> actually >>>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", >>> "Delete" >>>>> or >>>>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it >>>> just >>>>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's >>> more a >>>>>>>> "System" >>>>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why >>> we >>>>> put >>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>>>>>> confusing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >>>> organization >>>>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>>>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || >>> User". >>>>> The >>>>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >>>>> location in >>>>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >>>>> actions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to >>> customize >>>>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it >>>> their >>>>>>> own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>>>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… >>>>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the >>> "Main >>>>> Wiki" >>>>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >>>> should I >>>>>>> do? >>>>>>>> Do >>>>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >>>>> because he >>>>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still >>>> be >>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>>>>>> Current implementation: >>>>>>>>> >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We >>> must >>>>> have >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>> ** Administration >>>>>>> ** --- >>>>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>>>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Home/mainwiki) >>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>> ** Watch Home >>>>>>> ** Administer Home >>>>>>> ** --- >>>>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Caty

On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau" < gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: The only downside is that it's not very logical with the rest of the menus which use the format: "<prefix>:<name>". For example: "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>".

If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right now I'm more +0. Thanks -Vincent a having only http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead . http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>> >>>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>>>>> - "Administration" >>>>>> or >>>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >>>> current >>>>>>> menus: >>>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when >> we >>>> are >>>>>> in >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate >>> both >>>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the >>>> current >>>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" >> and >>>>>>> several >>>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, >>> in >>>> the >>>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction >> between >>>>>> "main" >>>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows >>> the >>>>>>> users >>>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call >>> the >>>>>> menu >>>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >>>> displays >>>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent >> with >>>> the >>>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>>>>> >>>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only >> have >>> a >>>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has >> more >>>>>>> content. >>>>>>>> It does not look good. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we >> could >>>> also >>>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >>>> (especially >>>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located >>> in >>>> the >>>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have >> a >>>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>>>>> >>>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >>> submenu, >>>> we >>>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home >> (mainwiki)). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >>>> twice: >>>>>>> once >>>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>> in >>>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 Thanks, LM 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt; http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead navigating (which request. I http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… both in the the a > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > >> > content. > >> > > It does not look good. > >> > > >> > >> In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… in submenu, > we > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > >> > >> > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > twice: > >> > once > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > >> > > - The left menu has too many items. > >> > > >> > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > >> in > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… just organization their http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… should I be http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost &lt;ludovic(a)xwiki.com&gt; if suppose Index", Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty? But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not... http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. wikis the Can't vincent(a)massol.net other the when http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… administrate (mainwiki). the imagine, allows call > > the > > > >> menu > > > >> > > "System" or "XWiki". > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > > > displays > > > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > with > > > the > > > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > > >> > > > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > have > > a > > > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > more > > > >> > content. > > > >> > > It does not look good. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… located have > a > > > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > > >> > > > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > > submenu, > > > we > > > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > (mainwiki)). > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > > > twice: > > > >> > once > > > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > > >> > > - The left menu has too many items. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > > > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > > > >> in > > > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… it why http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… like still http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png opinion, _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I'd say singular form is better than plural but then I'm not a native English speaker ;) Regarding Index vs Directory, I don't know. Thanks -Vincent that http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>>>>>> - "Administration" >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>>>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >>>>> current >>>>>>>> menus: >>>>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when >>> we >>>>> are >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to >> administrate >>>> both >>>>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home >> (mainwiki). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of >> the >>>>> current >>>>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" >>> and >>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could >> imagine, >>>> in >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction >>> between >>>>>>> "main" >>>>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that >> allows >>>> the >>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to >> call >>>> the >>>>>>> menu >>>>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >>>>> displays >>>>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent >>> with >>>>> the >>>>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only >>> have >>>> a >>>>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has >>> more >>>>>>>> content. >>>>>>>>> It does not look good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we >>> could >>>>> also >>>>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >>>>> (especially >>>>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is >> located >>>> in >>>>> the >>>>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to >> have >>> a >>>>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >>>> submenu, >>>>> we >>>>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home >>> (mainwiki)). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >>>>> twice: >>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>>>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Hi guys, "Users Directory" or "Users Index" sounds awkward to me. If it was a List it would be "User List" not "Users List" unless the List happened to belong to a person called "User". Then I feel like these names are kind of a lingual tarpit because trying to be descriptive runs you up against the limitations of the language. Directory is a much used term because of Unix and a "User Directory" sounds a whole lot like the user's home directory. If the User listing is there for *management* of users then I would recommend "User Management" which is well understood to be about management of all users, not a thing belonging to a specific one.

"Document Index" is well descriptive in my opinion.

For wikis I'm a bit torn, like users they have attributes and possessions. "Wiki Index" might be the index (of documents) for *this* wiki. When accessing the wiki list the admin probably has management intentions so "Wiki Management" sounds plausible but in this case, he could be talking about management of the current wiki. I think the best fit here is "SubWiki Administration" because it clearly states that it's about (one or more) SubWikis and I just happen to think Administration is a nice word in this case because it makes one think of operations which are more technical/powerful than those comprising management.

So sorry to throw in yet another proposal but I think the best is: ["Document Index", "User Management", "SubWiki Administration"] Thanks, Caleb On 09/19/2013 01:08 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau wrote: > I let you decide for next Monday. We should release the RC 1. I won't be > there tomorow. > > Thanks, > Louis-Marie > > > 2013/9/19 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > >> >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the >>> entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis >>> Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the >>> entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a >>> certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.) >>> >>> the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', >>> 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'. >>> >>> I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', >>> while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc. >>> >>> Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. >>> It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the >>> correct form. >> >> I'd say singular form is better than plural but then I'm not a native >> English speaker ;) >> >> Regarding Index vs Directory, I don't know. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> Thanks, >>> Caty >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < >>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> 2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost &lt;ludovic(a)xwiki.com&gt; >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry >>>> if >>>>> this was already discussed. >>>>> >>>>> My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I >>>> suppose >>>>> it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just >>>>> calling it "User Directory" like it is right now. >>>>> >>>>> I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User >>>> Index", >>>>> but I don't think it's the same thing. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is >> that >>>> true Caty? >>>> >>>> But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not... >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ludovic >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; >>>>> >>>>>> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: >>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> LM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt; >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>>>>>> &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead >>>>>>>> of >>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me recap: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like both B and E. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the >>>> wikis >>>>>>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since >>>> the >>>>>>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >>>>>>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where >>>>>>> to put this menu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >>>>>>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that >>>>>>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of >>>>>>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >>>>>>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Fabio >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> About E: >>>>>>>> Some issues IMHO: >>>>>>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki >>>>> and >>>>>>>> when you are in the subwiki. >>>>>>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the >>>>> users >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? >>>> Can't >>>>> it >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> confusing? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < >>>> vincent(a)massol.net >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> == Proposal D == >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>>>>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current >>>>> wiki >>>>>>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >>>>>> navigating >>>>>>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of >>>> other >>>>>>> wikis >>>>>>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover >>>>> over >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with >>>>> first >>>>>>>>> entry >>>>>>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry >>>>> with >>>>>>>>> "Wiki >>>>>>>>>> Index" for example. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use >>>> the >>>>>>> logo as >>>>>>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi developers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>>>>>>>> Workspace >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>>>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements >>>> when >>>>>>>>>> Workspaces >>>>>>>>>>> activated". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 >>>>>> (which >>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >>>>>> request. I >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>>>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>>>>>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… >>>>>>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>>>>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In your screenshot is: >>>>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>>>>>>>> ** Wiki Directory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What it was proposed: >>>>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>>>> ** Administration >>>>>>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>>>>>> ** .... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>>>>>>>> - "Administration" >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>>>>>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>> menus: >>>>>>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when >>>>> we >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to >>>> administrate >>>>>> both >>>>>>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home >>>> (mainwiki). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of >>>> the >>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could >>>> imagine, >>>>>> in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction >>>>> between >>>>>>>>> "main" >>>>>>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that >>>> allows >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to >>>> call >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> menu >>>>>>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >>>>>>> displays >>>>>>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent >>>>> with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only >>>>> have >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has >>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> content. >>>>>>>>>>> It does not look good. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the proposal there is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we >>>>> could >>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >>>>>>> (especially >>>>>>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is >>>> located >>>>>> in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to >>>> have >>>>> a >>>>>>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >>>>>> submenu, >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home >>>>> (mainwiki)). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >>>>>>> twice: >>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>>>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>>>>>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >>>>>>> content' >>>>>>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>>>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in >>>>> 5.2M2, >>>>>>> so we >>>>>>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… >>>>>>>>>>> B). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the >>>>> left >>>>>>>>> side, >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can >>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", >>>>> "Delete" >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, >>>> it >>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's >>>>> more a >>>>>>>>>> "System" >>>>>>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's >>>> why >>>>> we >>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>>>>>>>> confusing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >>>>>> organization >>>>>>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>>>>>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || >>>>> User". >>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >>>>>>> location in >>>>>>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >>>>>>> actions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to >>>>> customize >>>>>>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it >>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> own. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>>>>>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… >>>>>>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the >>>>> "Main >>>>>>> Wiki" >>>>>>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions >>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >>>>>> should I >>>>>>>>> do? >>>>>>>>>> Do >>>>>>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >>>>>>> because he >>>>>>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can >>>> still >>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>>>>>>>> Current implementation: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your >>>> opinion, >>>>>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We >>>>> must >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>>>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>>>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>>>>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>>>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>>>> ** Administration >>>>>>>>> ** --- >>>>>>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>>>>>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (Home/mainwiki) >>>>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>>>> ** Watch Home >>>>>>>>> ** Administer Home >>>>>>>>> ** --- >>>>>>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>>>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Caty

Hi, We currently operate with document index, which sounds best in my view. For consistency reasons +1 to use User Index and Wiki Index. Thanks, Silvia On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: sorry that http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead where that suffers of wiki the current hover with entry Delhumeau < integrate M2 http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… screenshot) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… the when "main" menu consistent only has >> > more >> > > > >> > content. >> > > > >> > > It does not look good. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… wiki" >> > > > twice: >> > > > >> > once >> > > > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >> > > > >> > > - The left menu has too many items. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >> > > > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >> > > > >> in >> > > > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… of http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… the that, less related it http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… yes, http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… We http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs