[xwiki-devs] [VOTE] [wysiwyg] Displaying the macro id and searching for it in the wysiwyg insert macro wizard
23 Jun
2010
23 Jun
'10
2:44 p.m.
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
Marius said it's no big deal to implement neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
Thanks,
Anca
23 Jun
23 Jun
2:47 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] [wysiwyg] Displaying the macro id and searching for it in the wysiwyg insert macro wizard
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:44, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its
name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
Marius said it's no big deal to implement neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
+1 for both
Thanks,
Anca
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2:54 p.m.
On 06/23/2010 02:44 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its
name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
Marius said it's no big deal to implement neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
+1.
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3:24 p.m.
+1
On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 15:44 +0300, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
Marius said it's no big deal to implement neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
Thanks,
Anca
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3:39 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] [wysiwyg] Displaying the macro id and searching for it in the wysiwyg insert macro wizard
On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
+1 I thought it was the case already.
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for
simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
+0
Thanks
-Vincent
Marius said it's no big deal to implement neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
Thanks,
Anca
3:44 p.m.
On 06/23/2010 03:44 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its
name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
I think this is an edge case, when the macro name is an abbreviation.
This is also mixed with the fact that you are a technical user. Most of
the time the macro name is very close to the macro id ("myCoolMacro" vs.
"My Cool Macro"). So IMO this is a false problem. Also, I think it can
be confusing if the result list contains an item that doesn't include
the search/filter term ("xyz" is displayed but I searched for "abc").
This brings us to the second proposal below.
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
I don't think displaying the macro id is a good idea at all:
* macro id is an information that the average user isn't interested in
* most of the time we would be displaying the same information twice
("Velociy" vs. "velocity" and "myCoolMacro" vs. "My
Cool Macro"). This
will clutter the dialog and will confuse the user.
* all macros should have a good title and description; it's the
responsibility of the macro author to provide them; as a user I wouldn't
be tempted to use a macro that is not well described.
Again, I think the use case with the two macros that have the same title
and description is an edge case and it's doesn't show a real problem.
Marius said it's no big deal to implement neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
I'm -0 for (1) and close to -1 for (2).
Thanks,
Marius
Thanks,
Anca
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3:47 p.m.
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Hi,
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 15:44, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 06/23/2010 03:44 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
I agree with Marius here. The viewport is already very limited and I'm not
sure adding this information would add much value. Actually I'm afraid it
would make the interface bloated.
Side question: would it be hard to make the WYSIWYG editor's dialog boxes
bigger by default? Could be a good idea if it's not too much work...
Guillaume
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its
name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
I think this is an edge case, when the macro name is an abbreviation.
This is also mixed with the fact that you are a technical user. Most of
the time the macro name is very close to the macro id ("myCoolMacro" vs.
"My Cool Macro"). So IMO this is a false problem. Also, I think it can
be confusing if the result list contains an item that doesn't include
the search/filter term ("xyz" is displayed but I searched for
"abc").
This brings us to the second proposal below.
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
I don't think displaying the macro id is a good idea at all:
* macro id is an information that the average user isn't interested in
* most of the time we would be displaying the same information twice
("Velociy" vs. "velocity" and "myCoolMacro" vs. "My
Cool Macro"). This
will clutter the dialog and will confuse the user.
* all macros should have a good title and description; it's the
responsibility of the macro author to provide them; as a user I wouldn't
be tempted to use a macro that is not well described.
Again, I think the use case with the two macros that have the same title
and description is an edge case and it's doesn't show a real problem.
Marius said it's no big deal to implement
neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
I'm -0 for (1) and close to -1 for (2).
Thanks,
Marius
Thanks,
Anca
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On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 15:44, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 06/23/2010 03:44 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Could be in a tooltip.
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its
name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
I think this is an edge case, when the macro name is an abbreviation.
This is also mixed with the fact that you are a technical user. Most of
the time the macro name is very close to the macro id ("myCoolMacro" vs.
"My Cool Macro"). So IMO this is a false problem. Also, I think it can
be confusing if the result list contains an item that doesn't include
the search/filter term ("xyz" is displayed but I searched for
"abc").
This brings us to the second proposal below.
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
I don't think displaying the macro id is a good idea at all:
* macro id is an information that the average user isn't interested in
* most of the time we would be displaying the same information twice
("Velociy" vs. "velocity" and "myCoolMacro" vs. "My
Cool Macro"). This
will clutter the dialog and will confuse the user. * all macros should have a good title and description;
it's the
responsibility of the macro author to provide them; as a user I wouldn't
be tempted to use a macro that is not well described.
Again, I think the use case with the two macros that have the same title
and description is an edge case and it's doesn't show a real problem.
--
Thomas Mortagne
Marius said it's no big deal to implement neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
I'm -0 for (1) and close to -1 for (2).
Thanks,
Marius
Thanks,
Anca
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+1
Jerome.
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Subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] [wysiwyg] Displaying the macro id and searching for it in the
wysiwyg insert macro wizard
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
Marius said it's no big deal to implement neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
Thanks,
Anca
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24 Jun
24 Jun
9:51 a.m.
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+1 for (1), it could not really hurt and +1 for (2) in tooltips but close to
(-1) for (2) displayed in small since I agree with Marius
Denis
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:44, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I wanted to insert a macro in a page using the wysiwyg and I noticed
that the macros filter (search box on top right) is not searching in the
macro ids.
For example, if I try to write "toc" I get no results. If I write
"table" I get the "Table of contents" macro as result, since its
name
matches. I found this a bit annoying in my case, since i know the
macroid (if I were to write it in the wiki syntax) and I cannot find the
macro (still, I'm using the wysiwyg because I can never remember macro
params). Also, I use the search function because it's far easier to
filter it out then scroll for it in the list.
WDYT about searching in the macro ids as well? (1)
Also, the macro id is not displayed. This is good for simple users for
which it has no meaning, but there can be a situation when 2 macros have
the same name and same description (e.g. void description) and users
would want to be able to differentiate one from the other in the macros
list, even the simple users, I would say (for example because they
always want to use one macro of the 2 and they can never tell one from
the other only by name).
WDYT about displaying the macro is as well? (2) of course pretty small
and greyed out, like some advanced metadata.
Marius said it's no big deal to implement neither, as long as we agree.
My +1 for both (1) and (2).
Thanks,
Anca
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Denis Gervalle -
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Jerome Velociter -
Marius Dumitru Florea -
Sergiu Dumitriu -
Thomas Mortagne -
Vincent Massol