9 Feb
2018
9 Feb
'18
2:34 p.m.
Hi,
As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability tests
performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some issues
that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section in
Administration".
Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle to
find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there is a
lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
section of Administration
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
Let me know what you think,
Caty
[1]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/Tasks5/Prioritiza…
9 Feb
9 Feb
3:18 p.m.
+1
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability tests
performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some issues
that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section in
Administration".
Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle to
find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there is a
lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
section of Administration
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
Let me know what you think,
Caty
[1]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/Tasks5/Prioritiza…
--
Thomas Mortagne
3:32 p.m.
+1
Adding more elements in the Themes section could make the `Themes` term to
loose its meaning for
what is configurable inside.As a user, I might be tempted to go first in
the Presentation section for
changing something like Logo. Then, would we consider to make logo
changeable as is the profile
picture (making the logo editable directly in header)?
Thanks,
Alex
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
+1
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability tests
performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some issues
that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section in
Administration".
Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle to
find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there is a
lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
section of Administration
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaChangeLo
go#HSolution1-1
Let me know what you think,
Caty
[1]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/Ta
sks5/Prioritization/
--
Thomas Mortagne
3:36 p.m.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Alex Cotiugă <alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
+1
Adding more elements in the Themes section could make the `Themes` term to
loose its meaning for
what is configurable inside.As a user, I might be tempted to go first in
the Presentation section for
changing something like Logo.
Because Skin and Color Themes have logo functionalities and also because
the Look & Feel section description mentions you can change the Logo from
there, these were the criteria based on what I've chosen the section.
Then, would we consider to make logo
changeable as is the profile
picture (making the logo editable directly in header)?
I don't understand this question.
Thanks,
Alex
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
> +1
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:34 PM,
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > > As some of you know, in
January we had another session of usability
tests
> > One of the entries from
that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section
in
> > Administration".
> > > Although we made some
improvements in this area, users still struggle
to
> > This is a proposal to
explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
> > section of Administration
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaChangeLo
> go#HSolution1-1
> > > Let me know what you
think,
> > Caty
> > > [1]
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/Ta
> sks5/Prioritization/
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
> performed. As a result of those tests, I
have prioritized [1] some
issues
> > that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
> > find the Logo changing area (takes more than
3 minutes). Plus there is
a
> > lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>
3:56 p.m.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Alex Cotiugă <alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Adding more elements in the Themes section could make the `Themes` term
> to
> > loose its meaning for
> > what is configurable inside.As a user, I might be tempted to go first in
> > the Presentation section for
> > changing something like Logo.
>
>
> Because Skin and Color Themes have logo functionalities and also because
> the Look & Feel section description mentions you can change the Logo from
> there, these were the criteria based on what I've chosen the section.
>
>
>
> > Then, would we consider to make logo
> > changeable as is the profile
> > picture (making the logo editable directly in header)?
> >
>
> I don't understand this question.
I'm talking about showing the edit mark (pencil) to admin users right on
the logo in the header adn be able to edit it right there.
I attached a picture in the proposal:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaChangeLogo/editable…
I think this way it would be even easier for users to change logo. Is not
about Admin section but about easing the way the logo is changed.
>
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Thomas Mortagne <
> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
> > >
> 
wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > > <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability
> > tests
> > > > performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some
> > issues
> > > > that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
> > > >
> > > > One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo
> section
> > in
> > > > Administration".
> > > >
> > > > Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle
> > to
> > > > find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there
> is
> > a
> > > > lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
> > > >
> > > > This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
> Themes
> > > > section of Administration
> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaChangeLo
> > > go#HSolution1-1
> > > >
> > > > Let me know what you think,
> > > > Caty
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/Ta
> > > sks5/Prioritization/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thomas Mortagne
> > >
> >
>
4:45 p.m.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Alex Cotiugă <alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
wrote:
> +1
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:34 PM,
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > > As some of you know, in
January we had another session of usability
tests
> > One of the entries from
that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section
> in
> > > Administration".
> > >
> > > Although we made some improvements in this area, users still
struggle
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
I'm talking about showing the edit mark (pencil) to admin users right on
the logo in the header adn be able to edit it right there.
I attached a picture in the proposal:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
IdeaChangeLogo/editableLogo.png
I think this way it would be even easier for users to change logo. Is not
about Admin section but about easing the way the logo is changed.
This was proposed by Olivier, some time ago. Still I would prefer that we
leave the navigation functionality for the logo as the primary action.
Admins change the logo just in the beginning. Is not a recurrent action,
but one important that they expect to find in the Administration.
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Alex Cotiugă <
alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Adding more elements in the Themes section could make the `Themes` term
> to
> > loose its meaning for
> > what is configurable inside.As a user, I might be tempted to go first
in
the
Presentation section for
changing something like Logo.
Because Skin and Color Themes have logo functionalities and also because
the Look & Feel section description mentions you can change the Logo from
there, these were the criteria based on what I've chosen the section.
Then, would we consider to make logo
changeable as is the profile
picture (making the logo editable directly in header)?
I don't understand this question.
Thanks,
Alex
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Thomas Mortagne <
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
> performed. As a result of those tests, I
have prioritized [1] some
issues
> > that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
> to
> > find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there
is
a
> > lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
> >
> > This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
Themes
>
section of Administration
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaChangeLo
go#HSolution1-1
>
> Let me know what you think,
> Caty
>
> [1]
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/Ta
sks5/Prioritization/
--
Thomas Mortagne
3:29 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Usability] Create a dedicated Logo section in Administration
Hi Caty,
I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be overridden (typo in your
text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page level”.
Several questions:
* What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin?
Using a color theme?
* Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo, which means that we
would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in skins & in color themes? Isn’t
that too much?
* What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e. where is it
materialized?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability tests
performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some issues
that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section in
Administration".
Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle to
find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there is a
lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
section of Administration
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
Let me know what you think,
Caty
[1]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/Tasks5/Prioritiza…
3:34 p.m.
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Caty,
I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be overridden
(typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page level”.
Several questions:
* What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a
custom skin? Using a color theme?
* Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo, which
means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in skins &
in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
* What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
where is it materialized?
Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development point of
view.
In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using this
control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and the skin
logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the Color
Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed.
The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in XWiki
to change to logo and override it, that a warning is welcomed.
Thanks,
Caty
Thanks
-Vincent
On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability tests
performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some issues
that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section in
Administration".
Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle to
find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there is a
lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
section of Administration
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
Let me know what you think,
Caty
[1]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
Tasks5/Prioritization/
12 Feb
12 Feb
9:42 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Usability] Create a dedicated Logo section in Administration
Hi,
On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a vote) since it doesn’t
currently address what happens to the other ways of changing the logo and it adds yet
another way on top of the existing ones, making the situation even more complex…
So for me we need to:
1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain what happens to the
other places and explain in the proposal why the user would use one or the other of the
ways. Do some ways get deprecated or not either?
2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new Admin UI. Does it create a
new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and attach a logo to it? Does it modifies
the currently selected Color Theme and adds a logo to it? Does it do something else?
I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What does it mean “at
wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin? Using a color theme?"
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi Caty,
I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be overridden
(typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page level”.
Several questions:
* What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a
custom skin? Using a color theme?
* Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo, which
means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in skins &
in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
* What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
where is it materialized?
Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development point of
view.
In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using this
control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and the skin
logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the Color
Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed.
The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in XWiki
to change to logo and override it, that a warning is welcomed. Thanks,
Caty
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability tests
>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some issues
>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>
>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section in
>> Administration".
>>
>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle to
>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there is a
>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>
>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
>> section of Administration
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>
>> Let me know what you think,
>> Caty
>>
>> [1]
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
> Tasks5/Prioritization/
10:49 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi,
of
I would add that if this is the *default* logo and each color theme defines
its own logo (like it happens right now) then changing the logo from this
section will not have any effect as this logo will be overwritten by the
logo specified on the color theme.
On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be overridden
> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page level”.
>
> Several questions:
> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a
> custom skin? Using a color theme?
> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
which
> means that we would the ability to set it in
the new admin UI, in skins
&
in color
themes? Isn’t that too much?
* What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
where is it materialized?
Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development point view.
In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using this
control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and the skin
logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the
Color
Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are
welcomed.
The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
XWiki
to change to logo and override it, that a warning
is welcomed.
Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a vote)
since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways of
changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing ones,
making the situation even more complex…
So for me we need to:
1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain what
happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the user would
use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways get deprecated or not either?
2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new Admin UI.
Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and attach
a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently selected Color Theme and adds
a logo to it? Does it do something else?
I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What does it
mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin?
Using a color theme?"
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Caty
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability
tests
>> performed. As a result of those tests, I
have prioritized [1] some
issues
>> that we might want to improve in our next
10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>
>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section
in
>> Administration".
>>
>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle
to
>> find the Logo changing area (takes more
than 3 minutes). Plus there is
a
>> lot of confusion between the Skin and
ColorThemes overriding.
>>
>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
>> section of Administration
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>
>> Let me know what you think,
>> Caty
>>
>> [1]
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
> Tasks5/Prioritization/
11:04 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
section
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
skins
ones,
The label says "Default Logo". Also the majority of ColorThemes don't have
logos provided, so they inherit the one from the Skin.
Thanks,
Caty
Hi,
overridden
On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be >> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color
Themes or at wiki or page level”.
>>
>> Several questions:
>> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that?
Using a
>
custom skin? Using a color theme?
> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
which
>> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in &
of
> view.
> In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using
this
in color
themes? Isn’t that too much?
* What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
where is it materialized?
Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development point > control. Somehow create a shortcut between
this default logo and the
skin
logo, or
change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the
Color
Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are
welcomed.
The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
XWiki
to change to logo and override it, that a warning
is welcomed.
Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a vote)
since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways of
changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing making the situation even more complex…
So for me we need to:
1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain what
happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the user
would
use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways
get deprecated or not
either?
2) Define what it means to change the logo in the
proposed new Admin UI.
Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and
attach
a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently
selected Color Theme and
adds
a logo to it? Does it do something else?
I would add that if this is the *default* logo and each color theme defines
its own logo (like it happens right now) then changing the logo from this
section will not have any effect as this logo will be overwritten by the
logo specified on the color theme.
I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What does
it
mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that?
Using a custom skin?
Using a color theme?"
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com>
>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability
tests
>> performed. As a result of those tests, I
have prioritized [1] some
issues
>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>
>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo in
is
>> Administration".
>>
>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle
to
>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there a
>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>
>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
Themes
>>
section of Administration
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>
>> Let me know what you think,
>> Caty
>>
>> [1]
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
> Tasks5/Prioritization/
11:08 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
We have a problem here with the themes that use darker colors and they
provide their own logo, with the correct contrast colors.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
skins
ones,
The label says "Default Logo". Also the majority of ColorThemes don't have
logos provided, so they inherit the one from the Skin.
Hi,
overridden
On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be >> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color
Themes or at wiki or page level”.
>>
>> Several questions:
>> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that?
Using a
>
custom skin? Using a color theme?
> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
which
>> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in &
>> in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
>> * What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
>> where is it materialized?
>>
>
> Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development
point
of
> view.
> In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using
this
> control. Somehow create a shortcut between
this default logo and the
skin
logo, or
change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the
Color
Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are
welcomed.
The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
XWiki
to change to logo and override it, that a warning
is welcomed.
Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a vote)
since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways of
changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing making the situation even more complex…
So for me we need to:
1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain
what
happens to the other places and explain in the
proposal why the user
would
use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways
get deprecated or not
either?
2) Define what it means to change the logo in the
proposed new Admin UI.
Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and
attach
a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently
selected Color Theme and
adds
a logo to it? Does it do something else?
I would add that if this is the *default* logo and each color theme
defines
its own logo (like it happens right now) then changing the logo from this
section will not have any effect as this logo will be overwritten by the
logo specified on the color theme.
Thanks,
Caty
section
I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What does
it
mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that?
Using a custom skin?
Using a color theme?"
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com>
>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability
tests
>> performed. As a result of those tests, I
have prioritized [1] some
issues
>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>
>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo in
>>> Administration".
>>>
>>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still
struggle
to
>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there
is
a
>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>
>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
Themes
>>
section of Administration
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>
>> Let me know what you think,
>> Caty
>>
>> [1]
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
> Tasks5/Prioritization/
11:10 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We could remove the custom themes logos, or remove support for some of the
themes.
Thanks,
Caty
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
We have a problem here with the themes that use darker colors and they
provide their own logo, with the correct contrast colors.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
The label says "Default Logo". Also the majority of ColorThemes don't
have logos provided, so they inherit the one from the Skin.
Hi,
> On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be
overridden
>> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color
Themes or at wiki or page
level”.
>>
>> Several questions:
>> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that?
Using a
>> custom skin? Using a color theme?
>> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
which
>> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in
skins
&
>> in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
>> * What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI,
i.e.
>> where is it materialized?
>>
>
> Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development
point
of
> view.
> In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using
this
> control. Somehow create a shortcut between
this default logo and the
skin
> logo, or change the base skin logo from the
filesystem. This way the
Color
> Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed.
>
> The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
XWiki
> to change to logo and override it, that a warning is welcomed.
Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a
vote)
since it doesn’t currently address what happens
to the other ways of
changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing
ones,
making the situation even more complex…
So for me we need to:
1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain
what
happens to the other places and explain in the
proposal why the user
would
use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways
get deprecated or not
either?
2) Define what it means to change the logo in the
proposed new Admin
UI.
Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the
DefaultSkin page and
attach
a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently
selected Color Theme and
adds
a logo to it? Does it do something else?
I would add that if this is the *default* logo and each color theme
defines
its own logo (like it happens right now) then changing the logo from this
section will not have any effect as this logo will be overwritten by the
logo specified on the color theme.
Thanks,
Caty
I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What
does it
mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that?
Using a custom skin?
Using a color theme?"
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability
tests
>>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some
issues
>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>
>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo
section
in
>>> Administration".
>>>
>>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still
struggle
to
>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus
there
is
a
>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>
>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
Themes
>>> section of Administration
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>>
>>> Let me know what you think,
>>> Caty
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
>> Tasks5/Prioritization/
11:10 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Usability] Create a dedicated Logo section in Administration
On 12 Feb 2018, at 10:49, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Ok that’s a good idea but it still leaves some questions open:
A) There will be plenty of places where to define a custom logo. We need to list all the
use cases that exist and make sure there’s only 1 way for each use case as otherwise it’s
confusing. It seems oferly complex to me ATM and this will make it even more complex.
B) We need to decide technically where a default logo is stored. Perm dir somewhere? In a
wiki page as an attachment and if so which page? (what are the pros and cons of each).
For A) let me try to list use cases:
UC1: I want to define a default logo so that when I create a new wiki, this logo is used
by default
UC2: I want to be able to define a custom logo for a given subwiki.
UC3: I want to be able to define a custom logo for a page + its children
UC4: I want to be able to define a custom logo for a single page
Answers:
UC1: Default logo in admin UI
UC2: Unfortunately there are 2 solutions: Set a logo in the wiki skin or set a logo in the
current wiki color theme. Ideally we should pick one.
UC3: AFAIK it’s not possible. We can set a logo in the space skin or set a logo in the
space color theme. But we can have a logo that will be used for children. In addition
there are also 2 solutions same as UC2
UC4: I don’t think it works right now. From a tech POV I think you can add a XWikiSkins
xobject to a page but then you’ll get the associated sheet displayed. I don’t know about
Color Theme.
So questions to answer:
* How do we implement UC3?
* How do we implement UC4?
* Should we provide a single way for UC2 instead of 2?
* Do we have a use case for being able to set the logo in the skin that couldn’t be done
in the color theme (or vice-versa)? Since the skin can redefine the full vm templates it
will always be able to force a logo but maybe we shouldn’t make it a special feature of
the skin and deprecate it/hide it. The rationale could be that we decide to move the logo
feature to the CT.
For B) I think as an attachment would be better (you get the benefits of pages: history,
rollback, simpler to change, etc).
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi,
of
I would add that if this is the *default* logo and each color theme defines
its own logo (like it happens right now) then changing the logo from this
section will not have any effect as this logo will be overwritten by the
logo specified on the color theme. On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be overridden
> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page level”.
>
> Several questions:
> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a
> custom skin? Using a color theme?
> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
which
> means that we would the ability to set it in
the new admin UI, in skins
&
in color
themes? Isn’t that too much?
* What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
where is it materialized?
Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development point view.
In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using this
control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and the skin
logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the
Color
Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are
welcomed.
The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
XWiki
to change to logo and override it, that a warning
is welcomed.
Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a vote)
since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways of
changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing ones,
making the situation even more complex…
So for me we need to:
1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain what
happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the user would
use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways get deprecated or not either?
2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new Admin UI.
Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and attach
a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently selected Color Theme and adds
a logo to it? Does it do something else?
>
> I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What does it
> mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin?
> Using a color theme?"
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability
> tests
>>>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some
> issues
>>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>>
>>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo
section
> in
>>>> Administration".
>>>>
>>>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle
> to
>>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there is
> a
>>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>>
>>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
>>>> section of Administration
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>> Caty
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
>>> Tasks5/Prioritization/
11:02 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi,
of
It should change the filesystem logo.png/svg from the base skin OR add an
attachment to the DefaultSkin' (which version is more easy technically - I
guess the DefaultSkin attachment).
Being as the default logo for the DefaultSkin, this means it can be
inherited / overridden by the Color Themes.
On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be overridden
> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page level”.
>
> Several questions:
> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a
> custom skin? Using a color theme?
> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
which
> means that we would the ability to set it in
the new admin UI, in skins
&
in color
themes? Isn’t that too much?
* What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
where is it materialized?
Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development point view.
In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using this
control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and the skin
logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the
Color
Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are
welcomed.
The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
XWiki
to change to logo and override it, that a warning
is welcomed.
Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a vote)
since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways of
changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing ones,
making the situation even more complex…
So for me we need to:
1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain what
happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the user would
use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways get deprecated or not either?
2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new Admin UI.
Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and attach
a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently selected Color Theme and adds
a logo to it? Does it do something else?
I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What does it
mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin?
Using a color theme?"
The wiki/page level mention was because you can have a different Skin/CT
with a different logo for that level. If you think that is confusing, we
can rephrase it.
Thanks,
Caty
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Caty
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability
tests
>> performed. As a result of those tests, I
have prioritized [1] some
issues
>> that we might want to improve in our next
10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>
>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section
in
>> Administration".
>>
>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle
to
>> find the Logo changing area (takes more
than 3 minutes). Plus there is
a
>> lot of confusion between the Skin and
ColorThemes overriding.
>>
>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
>> section of Administration
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>
>> Let me know what you think,
>> Caty
>>
>> [1]
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
> Tasks5/Prioritization/
11:25 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Usability] Create a dedicated Logo section in Administration
Hi Caty,
On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:02, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
See my previous reply about this.
So I now understand that your idea would be:
Default system logo (Admin UI)
|_ Skin logo (Skin)
|_ Color Theme logo (CT) for the wiki
|_ Space Skin logo (Skin)
|_ Space Color Theme logo
In words: if the current space has a CT defined and if that CT has a logo defined then use
it, otherwise, if the current space has a skin defined and that skin has a logo then use
it, otherwise, if the current wiki has a color theme defined and if it has a logo then use
it, otherwise, if the current wiki has a skin defined and it has a logo then use it,
otherwise, if the default system logo is defined use it, otherwise, use a default xwiki
logo.
However I don’t see why a Color Theme would inherit from the skin. What’s the rationale?
What additional use cases does it provide?
See the list of use cases I started in the previous reply. Please add new use cases if you
see some that I have missed.
Note: The other issue with the above is that we’re missing nested pages.
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi,
of
It should change the filesystem logo.png/svg from the base skin OR add an
attachment to the DefaultSkin' (which version is more easy technically - I
guess the DefaultSkin attachment).
Being as the default logo for the DefaultSkin, this means it can be
inherited / overridden by the Color Themes. On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be overridden
> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page level”.
>
> Several questions:
> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a
> custom skin? Using a color theme?
> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
which
> means that we would the ability to set it in
the new admin UI, in skins
&
in color
themes? Isn’t that too much?
* What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
where is it materialized?
Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development point view.
In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using this
control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and the skin
logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the
Color
Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are
welcomed.
The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
XWiki
to change to logo and override it, that a warning
is welcomed.
Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a vote)
since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways of
changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing ones,
making the situation even more complex…
So for me we need to:
1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain what
happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the user would
use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways get deprecated or not either?
2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new Admin UI.
Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and attach
a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently selected Color Theme and adds
a logo to it? Does it do something else?
I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What does it
mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin?
Using a color theme?"
The wiki/page level mention was because you can have a different Skin/CT
with a different logo for that level. If you think that is confusing, we
can rephrase it.
Thanks,
Caty
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability
> tests
>>>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some
> issues
>>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>>
>>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo
section
> in
>>>> Administration".
>>>>
>>>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle
> to
>>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there is
> a
>>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>>
>>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
>>>> section of Administration
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>> Caty
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
>>> Tasks5/Prioritization/
11:30 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Caty,
I
Well the use case is that I want to experiment with the colors and see
which one I like as the default colors. Also maybe I want to have different
Color Themes on some wikis / spaces.
If the logos are inherited it's fine, I am not forced to attach the logo
for every other ColorTheme available. I just the default logo once. Again,
nice if I want to change the logo, I just change it in one place, not in
every other color theme that exists out there.
On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:02, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Caty,
>>>
>>> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be
overridden
>>> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color
Themes or at wiki or page level”.
>>>
>>> Several questions:
>>> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that?
Using
a
>>> custom skin? Using a color theme?
>>> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
> which
>>> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in
skins
> &
>>> in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
>>> * What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
>>> where is it materialized?
>>>
>>
>> Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development point
> of
>> view.
>> In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using
this
>> control. Somehow create a shortcut
between this default logo and the
skin
>> logo, or change the base skin logo from
the filesystem. This way the
> Color
>> Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed.
>>
>> The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
> XWiki
>> to change to logo and override it, that a warning is welcomed.
>
> Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a vote)
> since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways of
> changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing
ones,
> making the situation even more complex…
>
> So for me we need to:
> 1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain
what
> happens to the other places and explain in
the proposal why the user
would
> use one or the other of the ways. Do some
ways get deprecated or not
either?
> 2) Define what it means to change the logo in
the proposed new Admin UI.
> Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and
attach
> a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently
selected Color Theme and
adds
a logo to
it? Does it do something else?
It should change the filesystem logo.png/svg from the base skin OR add an
attachment to the DefaultSkin' (which version is more easy technically - guess the DefaultSkin attachment).
Being as the default logo for the DefaultSkin, this means it can be
inherited / overridden by the Color Themes.
See my previous reply about this.
So I now understand that your idea would be:
Default system logo (Admin UI)
|_ Skin logo (Skin)
|_ Color Theme logo (CT) for the wiki
|_ Space Skin logo (Skin)
|_ Space Color Theme logo
In words: if the current space has a CT defined and if that CT has a logo
defined then use it, otherwise, if the current space has a skin defined and
that skin has a logo then use it, otherwise, if the current wiki has a
color theme defined and if it has a logo then use it, otherwise, if the
current wiki has a skin defined and it has a logo then use it, otherwise,
if the default system logo is defined use it, otherwise, use a default
xwiki logo.
However I don’t see why a Color Theme would inherit from the skin. What’s
the rationale? What additional use cases does it provide?
See the list of use cases I started in the previous reply. Please add new
use cases if you see some that I have missed.
Note: The other issue with the above is that we’re missing nested pages.
Thanks
-Vincent
valicac(a)gmail.com>
>
> I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What does
it
mean “at
wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin?
Using a color theme?"
The wiki/page level mention was because you can have a different Skin/CT
with a different logo for that level. If you think that is confusing, we
can rephrase it.
Thanks,
Caty
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability
> tests
>>>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some
> issues
>>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>>
>>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo
section
> in
>>>> Administration".
>>>>
>>>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle
> to
>>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there
is
> a
>>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>>
>>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
Themes
>>>> section of Administration
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>> Caty
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
>>> Tasks5/Prioritization/
1:43 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Usability] Create a dedicated Logo section in Administration
Hi all,
After talking to Caty we’ve defined the following Use Cases and algorithm for selecting
which logo to use:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1
Note 1: In the near future we also need to implement Nested Pages support (i.e. inherit
WebPreferences).
Note 2: We need to decide where to store the user-defined system-wide default logo. I’m
proposing to define a wiki page for that, somewhere in the XWiki space. One idea could be
to have a XWiki.BaseSkin page on the main wiki to hold base skin overrides (from the FS).
Let us know what you think.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:30, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Caty,
I
Well the use case is that I want to experiment with the colors and see
which one I like as the default colors. Also maybe I want to have different
Color Themes on some wikis / spaces.
If the logos are inherited it's fine, I am not forced to attach the logo
for every other ColorTheme available. I just the default logo once. Again,
nice if I want to change the logo, I just change it in one place, not in
every other color theme that exists out there.
>
> See the list of use cases I started in the previous reply. Please add new
> use cases if you see some that I have missed.
>
> Note: The other issue with the above is that we’re missing nested pages.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What does
> it
>>> mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin?
>>> Using a color theme?"
>>>
>>
>> The wiki/page level mention was because you can have a different Skin/CT
>> with a different logo for that level. If you think that is confusing, we
>> can rephrase it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Caty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of
usability
>>> tests
>>>>>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1]
some
>>> issues
>>>>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated
Logo
> section
>>> in
>>>>>> Administration".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still
struggle
>>> to
>>>>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus
there
> is
>>> a
>>>>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
> Themes
>>>>>> section of Administration
>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
>>>>> Tasks5/Prioritization/ On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:02, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Caty,
>>>
>>> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be
overridden
>>> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color
Themes or at wiki or page level”.
>>>
>>> Several questions:
>>> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that?
Using
a
>>> custom skin? Using a color theme?
>>> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
> which
>>> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in
skins
> &
>>> in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
>>> * What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI, i.e.
>>> where is it materialized?
>>>
>>
>> Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development point
> of
>> view.
>> In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using
this
>> control. Somehow create a shortcut
between this default logo and the
skin
>> logo, or change the base skin logo from
the filesystem. This way the
> Color
>> Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed.
>>
>> The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
> XWiki
>> to change to logo and override it, that a warning is welcomed.
>
> Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a vote)
> since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways of
> changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing
ones,
> making the situation even more complex…
>
> So for me we need to:
> 1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain
what
> happens to the other places and explain in
the proposal why the user
would
> use one or the other of the ways. Do some
ways get deprecated or not
either?
> 2) Define what it means to change the logo in
the proposed new Admin UI.
> Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and
attach
> a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently
selected Color Theme and
adds
a logo to
it? Does it do something else?
It should change the filesystem logo.png/svg from the base skin OR add an
attachment to the DefaultSkin' (which version is more easy technically - guess the DefaultSkin attachment).
Being as the default logo for the DefaultSkin, this means it can be
inherited / overridden by the Color Themes.
See my previous reply about this.
So I now understand that your idea would be:
Default system logo (Admin UI)
|_ Skin logo (Skin)
|_ Color Theme logo (CT) for the wiki
|_ Space Skin logo (Skin)
|_ Space Color Theme logo
In words: if the current space has a CT defined and if that CT has a logo
defined then use it, otherwise, if the current space has a skin defined and
that skin has a logo then use it, otherwise, if the current wiki has a
color theme defined and if it has a logo then use it, otherwise, if the
current wiki has a skin defined and it has a logo then use it, otherwise,
if the default system logo is defined use it, otherwise, use a default
xwiki logo.
However I don’t see why a Color Theme would inherit from the skin. What’s
the rationale? What additional use cases does it provide?
13 Feb
13 Feb
2:32 p.m.
I don't get it. I thought the usability problem was that it's not
straightforward
to *change* the logo. How is the proposed solution helping the user change
the logo when the color theme he selected specifies a logo? The user still
needs to go to the color theme to change the logo. Or to the skin, or to
the page preferences, etc. The user still needs to know where all these
places where the logo can be defined are and check each of them to make
sure the logo he sets is not overwritten.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi all,
After talking to Caty we’ve defined the following Use Cases and algorithm
for selecting which logo to use:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1
Note 1: In the near future we also need to implement Nested Pages support
(i.e. inherit WebPreferences).
Note 2: We need to decide where to store the user-defined system-wide
default logo. I’m proposing to define a wiki page for that, somewhere in
the XWiki space. One idea could be to have a XWiki.BaseSkin page on the
main wiki to hold base skin overrides (from the FS).
Let us know what you think.
Thanks
-Vincent
valicac(a)gmail.com>
different
On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:30, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi Caty,
> On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:02, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Caty,
>>>>>
>>>>> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be
> overridden
>>>>> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page
level”.
>>>>>
>>>>> Several questions:
>>>>> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that?
> Using a
>>>>> custom skin? Using a color theme?
>>>>> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the logo,
>>> which
>>>>> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in
> skins
>>> &
>>>>> in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
>>>>> * What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI,
i.e.
>>>>> where is it materialized?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development
point
>>> of
>>>> view.
>>>> In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using
> this
>>>> control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and the
> skin
>>>> logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way the
>>> Color
>>>> Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed.
>>>>
>>>> The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways in
>>> XWiki
>>>> to change to logo and override it, that a warning is welcomed.
>>>
>>> Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a
vote)
>>> since it doesn’t currently address
what happens to the other ways of
>>> changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing
> ones,
>>> making the situation even more complex…
>>>
>>> So for me we need to:
>>> 1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain
> what
>>> happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the user
> would
>>> use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways get deprecated or not
> either?
>>> 2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new Admin
UI.
>>> Does it create a new skin? Does it
modifies the DefaultSkin page and
> attach
>>> a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently selected Color Theme and
> adds
>>> a logo to it? Does it do something else?
>>>
>>
>> It should change the filesystem logo.png/svg from the base skin OR add
an
>> attachment to the DefaultSkin' (which
version is more easy technically
-
> I
>> guess the DefaultSkin attachment).
>> Being as the default logo for the DefaultSkin, this means it can be
>> inherited / overridden by the Color Themes.
>
> See my previous reply about this.
>
> So I now understand that your idea would be:
>
> Default system logo (Admin UI)
> |_ Skin logo (Skin)
> |_ Color Theme logo (CT) for the wiki
> |_ Space Skin logo (Skin)
> |_ Space Color Theme logo
>
> In words: if the current space has a CT defined and if that CT has a
logo
> defined then use it, otherwise, if the
current space has a skin defined
and
> that skin has a logo then use it, otherwise,
if the current wiki has a
> color theme defined and if it has a logo then use it, otherwise, if the
> current wiki has a skin defined and it has a logo then use it,
otherwise,
> if the default system logo is defined use it,
otherwise, use a default
> xwiki logo.
>
> However I don’t see why a Color Theme would inherit from the skin.
What’s
the
rationale? What additional use cases does it provide?
Well the use case is that I want to experiment with the colors and see
which one I like as the default colors. Also maybe I want to have Color Themes on some wikis / spaces.
If the logos are inherited it's fine, I am not forced to attach the logo
for every other ColorTheme available. I just the default logo once.
Again,
nice if I want to change the logo, I just change
it in one place, not in
every other color theme that exists out there.
>
> See the list of use cases I started in the previous reply. Please add
new
> use cases if you see some that I have
missed.
>
> Note: The other issue with the above is that we’re missing nested pages.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What
does
> it
>>> mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom skin?
>>> Using a color theme?"
>>>
>>
>> The wiki/page level mention was because you can have a different
Skin/CT
>> with a different logo for that level. If
you think that is confusing,
we
>> can rephrase it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Caty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of
usability
>>> tests
>>>>>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1]
some
>>> issues
>>>>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated
Logo
> section
>>> in
>>>>>> Administration".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still
struggle
>>> to
>>>>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus
there
> is
>>> a
>>>>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
> Themes
>>>>>> section of Administration
>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
>>>>> Tasks5/Prioritization/
21 Feb
21 Feb
2:43 p.m.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I don't get it. I thought the usability problem
was that it's not
straightforward
to *change* the logo. How is the proposed solution helping the user change
the logo when the color theme he selected specifies a logo? The user still
needs to go to the color theme to change the logo. Or to the skin, or to
the page preferences, etc. The user still needs to know where all these
places where the logo can be defined are and check each of them to make
sure the logo he sets is not overwritten.
It doesn't fix the solution entirely, but allows the user to set his logo
as the default logo. We should try to remove the overwrites from the skin /
color themes and fallback on the default logo. Overwriting the logo from
skin/color theme/space will still be possible, but this should be used only
in advanced use cases.
Currently we are providing too many XWiki logos in the custom Color Themes
(for example in the case of dark colors) and we duplicate the logo in all
these places, forcing the user to know the priority order.
Currently there is no UI to change the default logo. You can only change it
from the file system.
From the Administration, the user instead of changing
the Skin logo, go to
the CT. This could also be improved by: (A) making sure the
Skin logo is as
easy to change as the one from CT, (B) maybe change the order of displayed
configurations from (Default Logo, CT, Icon Themes, Skin) to (Default Logo,
Skin, CT, Icon Themes) - this order would better present the priority
order, but it would put on a lower place the CT change, which is quite
often and popular.
---
So for this proposal we had Thomas, Alex, Guillaume, Vincent, me agreed.
Marius, let me know if you have other questions / suggestions.
Thanks,
Caty
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
logo,
the
and
different
> Color Themes on some wikis / spaces.
> If the logos are inherited it's fine, I am not forced to attach the logo
in
pages.
skin?
usability
there
Hi all,
After talking to Caty we’ve defined the following Use Cases and algorithm
for selecting which logo to use:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1
Note 1: In the near future we also need to implement Nested Pages support
(i.e. inherit WebPreferences).
Note 2: We need to decide where to store the user-defined system-wide
default logo. I’m proposing to define a wiki page for that, somewhere in
the XWiki space. One idea could be to have a XWiki.BaseSkin page on the
main wiki to hold base skin overrides (from the FS).
Let us know what you think.
Thanks
-Vincent
valicac(a)gmail.com
On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:30, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:02, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Caty,
>>>>>
>>>>> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be
> overridden
>>>>> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page
level”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Several questions:
>>>>>> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do
that?
>> Using a
>>>>>> custom skin? Using a color theme?
>>>>>> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the
>>> which
>>>>> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin UI, in
> skins
>>> &
>>>>> in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
>>>>> * What does it mean in practice when you set it in the admin UI,
i.e.
>>>>> where is it materialized?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well these are the questions we need to answer from a development
point
>>>> of
>>>>> view.
>>>>> In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo using
>> this
>>>>> control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and
>> skin
>>>>> logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way
the
>>>> Color
>>>>> Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways
in
>>> XWiki
>>>> to change to logo and override it, that a warning is welcomed.
>>>
>>> Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a
vote)
>>> since it doesn’t currently address
what happens to the other ways of
>>> changing the logo and it adds yet another way on top of the existing
> ones,
>>> making the situation even more complex…
>>>
>>> So for me we need to:
>>> 1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and explain
> what
>>> happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the user
> would
>>> use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways get deprecated or not
> either?
>>> 2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new Admin
UI.
>>>> Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page and
>> attach
>>>> a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently selected Color Theme >> adds
>>>> a logo to it? Does it do something else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It should change the filesystem logo.png/svg from the base skin OR
add
an
>>> attachment to the DefaultSkin' (which version is more easy
technically
-
defined
> I
>> guess the DefaultSkin attachment).
>> Being as the default logo for the DefaultSkin, this means it can be
>> inherited / overridden by the Color Themes.
>
> See my previous reply about this.
>
> So I now understand that your idea would be:
>
> Default system logo (Admin UI)
> |_ Skin logo (Skin)
> |_ Color Theme logo (CT) for the wiki
> |_ Space Skin logo (Skin)
> |_ Space Color Theme logo
>
> In words: if the current space has a CT defined and if that CT has a
logo
>> defined then use it, otherwise, if the current space has a skin and
>> that skin has a logo then use it, otherwise, if the current wiki has a
>> color theme defined and if it has a logo then use it, otherwise, if
the
>
current wiki has a skin defined and it has a logo then use it,
otherwise,
> if the default system logo is defined use it,
otherwise, use a default
> xwiki logo.
>
> However I don’t see why a Color Theme would inherit from the skin.
What’s
the
rationale? What additional use cases does it provide?
Well the use case is that I want to experiment with the colors and see
which one I like as the default colors. Also maybe I want to have for every
other ColorTheme available. I just the default logo once.
Again,
> nice if I want to change the logo, I just change it in one place, not every
other color theme that exists out there.
>
> See the list of use cases I started in the previous reply. Please add
new
>> use cases if you see some that I have missed.
>>
>> Note: The other issue with the above is that we’re missing nested >
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What
does
>> it
>>>> mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom
>>> Using a color theme?"
>>>
>>
>> The wiki/page level mention was because you can have a different
Skin/CT
>> with a different logo for that level. If
you think that is confusing,
we
>>> can rephrase it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Caty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of
>>>> tests
>>>>>>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized
[1]
some
>>> issues
>>>>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated
Logo
> section
>>> in
>>>>>> Administration".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still
struggle
>>>> to
>>>>>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes).
Plus > is
>>> a
>>>>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
> Themes
>>>>>> section of Administration
>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
>>>>> Tasks5/Prioritization/
5:23 p.m.
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 3:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea
<
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
My worry is that if we don't remove the logo from the default color themes
then the users will complain that "they set the logo from the
Administration and it doesn't have any effect". Another solution is to show
what is the current logo in this new section and indicate where it comes
from (e.g. from color theme).
I don't get it. I thought the usability
problem was that it's not
straightforward
to *change* the logo. How is the proposed solution helping the user
change
the logo when the color theme he selected
specifies a logo? The user
still
needs to go to the color theme to change the
logo. Or to the skin, or to
the page preferences, etc. The user still needs to know where all these
places where the logo can be defined are and check each of them to make
sure the logo he sets is not overwritten.
It doesn't fix the solution entirely, but allows the user to set his logo
as the default logo. We should try to remove the overwrites from the skin /
color themes and fallback on the default logo. Overwriting the logo from
skin/color theme/space will still be possible, but this should be used only
in advanced use cases.
Currently we are providing too many XWiki logos in the custom Color Themes
(for example in the case of dark colors) and we duplicate the logo in all
these places, forcing the user to know the priority order.
Currently there is no UI to change the default logo. You can only change it
from the file system.
From the Administration, the user instead of changing the Skin logo, go to
the CT. This could also be improved by: (A) making sure the Skin logo is as
easy to change as the one from CT, (B) maybe change the order of displayed
configurations from (Default Logo, CT, Icon Themes, Skin) to (Default Logo,
Skin, CT, Icon Themes) - this order would better present the priority
order, but it would put on a lower place the CT change, which is quite
often and popular.
---
So for this proposal we had Thomas, Alex, Guillaume, Vincent, me agreed.
Marius, let me know if you have other questions / suggestions.
Thanks,
Caty
support
vincent(a)massol.net
logo,
> >>>> which
> >>>>>> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin
UI, in
of
has
a
default
logo
in
> > every other color theme that exists out there.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> See the list of use cases I started in the previous reply. Please
add
skin?
> >>>> Using a color theme?"
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The wiki/page level mention was because you can have a different
> Skin/CT
> >>> with a different logo for that level. If you think that is
confusing,
there
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> After talking to Caty we’ve defined the following Use Cases and
algorithm
for
selecting which logo to use:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1
>
> Note 1: In the near future we also need to implement Nested Pages > (i.e. inherit WebPreferences).
> Note 2: We need to decide where to store the user-defined system-wide
> default logo. I’m proposing to define a wiki page for that, somewhere
in
> the XWiki space. One idea could be to have a
XWiki.BaseSkin page on the
> main wiki to hold base skin overrides (from the FS).
>
> Let us know what you think.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:30, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:02, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol < >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Caty,
>>>>>
>>>>> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo can be
> overridden
>>>>> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki or page
level”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Several questions:
>>>>>> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do
that?
>> Using a
>>>>>> custom skin? Using a color theme?
>>>>>> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the
> >> skins
> >>>> &
> >>>>>> in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
> >>>>>> * What does it mean in practice when you set it in the
admin UI,
> i.e.
> >>>>>> where is it materialized?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well these are the questions we need to answer from a
development
> point
> >>>> of
> >>>>> view.
> >>>>> In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo
using
>>
this
>>>>> control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default logo and
the
>> skin
>>>>> logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem. This way
the
>>>> Color
>>>>> Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The description is technical I know, still there are so many ways
in
> >>>> XWiki
> >>>>> to change to logo and override it, that a warning is welcomed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it were a
> vote)
> >>>> since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other ways
> >>>> changing the logo and it
adds yet another way on top of the
existing
> >> ones,
> >>>> making the situation even more complex…
> >>>>
> >>>> So for me we need to:
> >>>> 1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and
explain
> >> what
> >>>> happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the
user
> >> would
> >>>> use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways get deprecated or
not
> >> either?
> >>>> 2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new
Admin
> UI.
> >>>> Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page
and
>>
attach
>>>> a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently selected Color Theme
and
>> adds
>>>> a logo to it? Does it do something else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It should change the filesystem logo.png/svg from the base skin OR
add
an
>>> attachment to the DefaultSkin' (which version is more easy
technically
-
defined
> and
> >> that skin has a logo then use it, otherwise, if the current wiki > I
>> guess the DefaultSkin attachment).
>> Being as the default logo for the DefaultSkin, this means it can be
>> inherited / overridden by the Color Themes.
>
> See my previous reply about this.
>
> So I now understand that your idea would be:
>
> Default system logo (Admin UI)
> |_ Skin logo (Skin)
> |_ Color Theme logo (CT) for the wiki
> |_ Space Skin logo (Skin)
> |_ Space Color Theme logo
>
> In words: if the current space has a CT defined and if that CT has a
logo
>> defined then use it, otherwise, if the current space has a skin >>
color theme defined and if it has a logo then use it, otherwise, if
the
> >> current wiki has a skin defined and it has a logo then use it,
> otherwise,
> >> if the default system logo is defined use it, otherwise, use a > >> xwiki logo.
> >>
> >> However I don’t see why a Color Theme would inherit from the skin.
> What’s
> >> the rationale? What additional use cases does it provide?
> >>
> >
> > Well the use case is that I want to experiment with the colors and
see
which one I like as the default colors. Also maybe I
want to have
different
> Color Themes on some wikis / spaces.
> If the logos are inherited it's fine, I am not forced to attach the for every
other ColorTheme available. I just the default logo once.
Again,
> nice if I want to change the logo, I just change it in one place, not new
>> use cases if you see some that I have missed.
>>
>> Note: The other issue with the above is that we’re missing nested
pages.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as "What
does
>> it
>>>> mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom we
>>> can rephrase it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Caty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As some of you know, in January we had another session of
usability
>>>> tests
>>>>>>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized
[1]
some
>>> issues
>>>>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated
Logo
> section
>>> in
>>>>>> Administration".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although we made some improvements in this area, users still
struggle
>>>> to
>>>>>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes).
Plus > is
>>> a
>>>>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the
> Themes
>>>>>> section of Administration
>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
>>>>> Tasks5/Prioritization/
5:39 p.m.
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
vincent(a)massol.net
vincent(a)massol.net
that?
in
> > >> skins
> > >>>> &
> > >>>>>> in color themes? Isn’t that too much?
> > >>>>>> * What does it mean in practice when you set it in the
admin UI,
and
has
a
> > >> color theme defined and if it has a logo then use it, otherwise,
if
not
"What
confusing,
> > we
> > >>> can rephrase it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Caty
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks
> > >>>> -Vincent
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>> Caty
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>>> -Vincent
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<
> > >> valicac(a)gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As some of you know, in January we had another
session of
> usability
> > >>>> tests
> > >>>>>>> performed. As a result of those tests, I have
prioritized [1]
> some
> > >>>> issues
> > >>>>>>> that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+
Roadmaps.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> One of the entries from that list is: "Create
a dedicated Logo
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 3:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
skin /
The default logo will come from file system or the base skin or the new
page Vincent proposed. It will not be the current logo, but the default
logo.
I don't think we can remove the logo from the color themes. It is powerful
when you want to provide user/space/wiki diversity. But those cases are
advanced, so whomever is having such an advanced setup might need to know
what they are doing.
The "show where is coming from" idea is interesting.
Instead of "default logo" we could display the "current logo" with a
"Customize" button near it, and depending where this logo comes from, to
take the user to that logo attachment selector modal, either in the skin or
color theme, space, wiki, etc. Not sure how hard it is to implement and if
that behavior won't be again confusing, without explaining our
inheritance/priority logo selection mechanism.
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Marius Dumitru
Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
to
I don't get it. I thought the usability
problem was that it's not
straightforward
to *change* the logo. How is the proposed solution helping the user
change
the logo when the color theme he selected
specifies a logo? The user
still
> needs to go to the color theme to change the logo. Or to the skin, or the page
preferences, etc. The user still needs to know where all these
places where the logo can be defined are and check each of them to make
sure the logo he sets is not overwritten.
It doesn't fix the solution entirely, but allows the user to set his logo
as the default logo. We should try to remove the overwrites from the color themes and fallback on the default logo.
Overwriting the logo from
skin/color theme/space will still be possible, but this should be used
only
in advanced use cases.
Currently we are providing too many XWiki logos in the custom Color
Themes
(for example in the case of dark colors) and we
duplicate the logo in all
these places, forcing the user to know the priority order.
Currently there is no UI to change the default logo. You can only change
it
from the file system.
From the Administration, the user instead of changing the Skin logo, go
to
the CT. This could also be improved by: (A)
making sure the Skin logo is
as
easy to change as the one from CT, (B) maybe
change the order of
displayed
configurations from (Default Logo, CT, Icon
Themes, Skin) to (Default
Logo,
Skin, CT, Icon Themes) - this order would better
present the priority
order, but it would put on a lower place the CT change, which is quite
often and popular.
---
So for this proposal we had Thomas, Alex, Guillaume, Vincent, me agreed.
Marius, let me know if you have other questions / suggestions.
My worry is that if we don't remove the logo from the default color themes
then the users will complain that "they set the logo from the
Administration and it doesn't have any effect". Another solution is to show
what is the current logo in this new section and indicate where it comes
from (e.g. from color theme).
Thanks,
Caty
support
the
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> After talking to Caty we’ve defined the following Use Cases and
algorithm
for
selecting which logo to use:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1
>
> Note 1: In the near future we also need to implement Nested Pages > (i.e. inherit WebPreferences).
> Note 2: We need to decide where to store the user-defined system-wide
> default logo. I’m proposing to define a wiki page for that, somewhere
in
> > the XWiki space. One idea could be to have a XWiki.BaseSkin page on > main
wiki to hold base skin overrides (from the FS).
>
> Let us know what you think.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:30, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Vincent Massol < wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Feb 2018, at 11:02, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Vincent Massol < >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 9 Feb 2018, at 15:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Vincent Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net
> >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Caty,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I see in the screenshot that it says “The default logo
can be
> > >> overridden
> > >>>>>> (typo in your text btw ;)) by Color Themes or at wiki
or page
> > level”.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Several questions:
> > >>>>>> * What does it mean “at wiki or page level”? How do
you do >> Using a
>>>>>> custom skin? Using a color theme?
>>>>>> * Does it mean this is adding yet another way of defining the
logo,
> >>>> which
> >>>>>> means that we would the ability to set it in the new admin
UI, > > i.e.
> > >>>>>> where is it materialized?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Well these are the questions we need to answer from a
development
>
point
> >>>> of
> >>>>> view.
> >>>>> In theory it would be nice to be able to change the Skin logo
using
> > >> this
> > >>>>> control. Somehow create a shortcut between this default
logo > the
> > >> skin
> > >>>>> logo, or change the base skin logo from the filesystem.
This
way
> the
> > >>>> Color
> > >>>>> Themes will display the logo. Other ideas are welcomed.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The description is technical I know, still there are so
many
ways
> in
> > >>>> XWiki
> > >>>>> to change to logo and override it, that a warning is
welcomed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Right now, I disagree with this proposal (I’d vote -1 if it
were a
> > vote)
> > >>>> since it doesn’t currently address what happens to the other
ways
of
Theme
> >>>> changing the logo and it
adds yet another way on top of the
existing
> >> ones,
> >>>> making the situation even more complex…
> >>>>
> >>>> So for me we need to:
> >>>> 1) Rationalize the change of logo better in the proposal and
explain
> >> what
> >>>> happens to the other places and explain in the proposal why the
user
> >> would
> >>>> use one or the other of the ways. Do some ways get deprecated or
not
> >> either?
> >>>> 2) Define what it means to change the logo in the proposed new
Admin
> UI.
> >>>> Does it create a new skin? Does it modifies the DefaultSkin page
and
> > >> attach
> > >>>> a logo to it? Does it modifies the currently selected Color
> and
> > >> adds
> > >>>> a logo to it? Does it do something else?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> It should change the filesystem logo.png/svg from the base skin
OR
> add
> > an
> > >>> attachment to the DefaultSkin' (which version is more easy
> technically
> > -
> > >> I
> > >>> guess the DefaultSkin attachment).
> > >>> Being as the default logo for the DefaultSkin, this means it can
be
> > >>> inherited / overridden by
the Color Themes.
> > >>
> > >> See my previous reply about this.
> > >>
> > >> So I now understand that your idea would be:
> > >>
> > >> Default system logo (Admin UI)
> > >> |_ Skin logo (Skin)
> > >> |_ Color Theme logo (CT) for the wiki
> > >> |_ Space Skin logo (Skin)
> > >> |_ Space Color Theme logo
> > >>
> > >> In words: if the current space has a CT defined and if that CT
has a
logo
>> defined then use it, otherwise, if the current space has a skin
defined
> and
> >> that skin has a logo then use it, otherwise, if the current wiki the
> >> current wiki has a skin defined and it has a logo then use it,
> otherwise,
> >> if the default system logo is defined use it, otherwise, use a
default
> >> xwiki logo.
> >>
> >> However I don’t see why a Color Theme would inherit from the skin.
> What’s
> >> the rationale? What additional use cases does it provide?
> >>
> >
> > Well the use case is that I want to experiment with the colors and
see
> > > which one I like as the default colors. Also maybe I want to have
> > different
> > > Color Themes on some wikis / spaces.
> > > If the logos are inherited it's fine, I am not forced to attach the
> logo
> > > for every other ColorTheme available. I just the default logo once.
> > Again,
> > > nice if I want to change the logo, I just change it in one place, in
> > every other color theme that exists out there.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> See the list of use cases I started in the previous reply. Please
add
> > new
> > >> use cases if you see some that I have missed.
> > >>
> > >> Note: The other issue with the above is that we’re missing nested
> pages.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> -Vincent
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I also need some answers to my questions asked above such as
does
>> it
>>>> mean “at wiki or page level”? How do you do that? Using a custom
skin?
> >>>> Using a color theme?"
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The wiki/page level mention was because you can have a different
> Skin/CT
> >>> with a different logo for that level. If you think that is > > >> section
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>>> Administration".
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Although we made some improvements in this area,
users still
> > struggle
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>>> find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3
minutes). Plus
> there
> > >> is
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>>>> lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes
overriding.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo
section inside
the
>> Themes
>>>>>>> section of Administration
>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>>> IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
>>>>>> Tasks5/Prioritization/
6:03 p.m.
Do we know a single person that have different logos in the different
spaces of the same wiki?
I've never met any, but I don't know all users.
To me, it just creates confusion for 99% of users, for the sake of helping
1% of them (supposing they know how to do it).
That would be ok if that 1% were contributors to XWiki, but it does not
seem to be the situation.
My proposal is to have a single input, for the logo of the current wiki
(subwikis can fallback to the main one), et trash all the other options.
My 2 cents,
Guillaume
6:57 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Usability] Create a dedicated Logo section in Administration
On 21 Feb 2018, at 18:03, Guillaume Delhumeau
<guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Do we know a single person that have different logos in the different
spaces of the same wiki?
I've never met any, but I don't know all users.
To me, it just creates confusion for 99% of users, for the sake of helping
1% of them (supposing they know how to do it).
That would be ok if that 1% were contributors to XWiki, but it does not
seem to be the situation.
My proposal is to have a single input, for the logo of the current wiki
(subwikis can fallback to the main one), et trash all the other options.
If XWiki wasn’t a platform I’d agree. However it’s a platform so we need the ability. Thus
we just need to make the main use case (the 99%) extra easy and simple and hide the
advanced options so that users don’t see them by default but so that it’s still possible.
Thanks
-Vincent
My 2 cents,
Guillaume
6:59 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Usability] Create a dedicated Logo section in Administration
On 21 Feb 2018, at 18:57, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
BTW, for me it falls in the same category of having some custom skin for a page or for a
space and I have personally used this feature in the past (and was happy to find it when I
needed it).
Thanks
-Vincent
On 21 Feb 2018, at 18:03, Guillaume Delhumeau
<guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Do we know a single person that have different logos in the different
spaces of the same wiki?
I've never met any, but I don't know all users.
To me, it just creates confusion for 99% of users, for the sake of helping
1% of them (supposing they know how to do it).
That would be ok if that 1% were contributors to XWiki, but it does not
seem to be the situation.
My proposal is to have a single input, for the logo of the current wiki
(subwikis can fallback to the main one), et trash all the other options.
If XWiki wasn’t a platform I’d agree. However it’s a platform so we need the ability.
Thus we just need to make the main use case (the 99%) extra easy and simple and hide the
advanced options so that users don’t see them by default but so that it’s still possible.
Thanks
-Vincent
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Guillaume
8:21 p.m.
2018-02-21 18:57 GMT+01:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
You still have the ability to override the skin.
On 21 Feb 2018, at 18:03, Guillaume Delhumeau
<
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Do we know a single person that have different logos in the different
spaces of the same wiki?
I've never met any, but I don't know all users.
To me, it just creates confusion for 99% of users, for the sake of
helping
1% of them (supposing they know how to do it).
That would be ok if that 1% were contributors to XWiki, but it does not
seem to be the situation.
My proposal is to have a single input, for the logo of the current wiki
(subwikis can fallback to the main one), et trash all the other options.
If XWiki wasn’t a platform I’d agree. However it’s a platform so we need
the ability. Thus we just need to make the main use case (the 99%)
extra easy and
simple and hide the advanced options so that users don’t see them by
default but so that it’s still possible.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
My 2 cents,
Guillaume
9:52 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Usability] Create a dedicated Logo section in Administration
On 21 Feb 2018, at 18:03, Guillaume Delhumeau wrote:
Do we know a single person that have different logos
in the different
spaces of the same wiki?
A colleague of mine asked me such on our wiki.
It is not very common though (so it’d be ok if it’s a programming task).
paul
I've never met any, but I don't know all
users.
To me, it just creates confusion for 99% of users, for the sake of helping
1% of them (supposing they know how to do it).
That would be ok if that 1% were contributors to XWiki, but it does not
seem to be the situation.
My proposal is to have a single input, for the logo of the current wiki
(subwikis can fallback to the main one), et trash all the other options.
My 2 cents,
Guillaume
12 Feb
12 Feb
9:34 a.m.
+1
2018-02-09 14:34 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi,
As some of you know, in January we had another session of usability tests
performed. As a result of those tests, I have prioritized [1] some issues
that we might want to improve in our next 10.x+ Roadmaps.
One of the entries from that list is: "Create a dedicated Logo section in
Administration".
Although we made some improvements in this area, users still struggle to
find the Logo changing area (takes more than 3 minutes). Plus there is a
lot of confusion between the Skin and ColorThemes overriding.
This is a proposal to explicitly have a Logo section inside the Themes
section of Administration
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
IdeaChangeLogo#HSolution1-1
Let me know what you think,
Caty
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http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Usability/
Tasks5/Prioritization/
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