[xwiki-devs] [XAOFFICE] [Proposal] Should we respect style / font attributes when importing office documents ?
3 Nov
2008
3 Nov
'08
1:13 p.m.
Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are transformed into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets added into the html. For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result will look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki mode.
And another argument is that content is more important than style (vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
2. Keep style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
WDYT ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
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profile]<http://www.facebook.com/people/Asiri_Rathnayake/534607921>
3 Nov
3 Nov
1:15 p.m.
Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are transformed into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets added into the html. For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result will look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki mode.
And another argument is that content is more important than style (vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
2. Keep style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
+1
I'm going with 3. :)
WDYT ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
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profile]<http://www.facebook.com/people/Asiri_Rathnayake/534607921>
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+1 for 3
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Asiri Rathnayake
<asiri.rathnayake(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are transformed into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets added into the html. For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result will look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki mode.
And another argument is that content is more important than style (vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
2. Keep style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
WDYT ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
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profile]<http://www.facebook.com/people/Asiri_Rathnayake/534607921>
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2:26 p.m.
Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are transformed into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets added into the html. For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result will look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki mode.
And another argument is that content is more important than style (vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
superscript...). No font information, please.
2. Keep style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
+1 for 3.
WDYT ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
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3:33 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [XAOFFICE] [Proposal] Should we respect style / font attributes when importing office documents ?
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
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Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
I'd be in favour of removing parameters that do not directly translate into
XWiki 2.0 syntax items in all cases (otherwise imported documents will not
have a consistent look across the wiki). This would mean getting rid of font
size, font color and font family in all cases, without even allowing the
user to do so.
WDYT?
Guillaume
Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are transformed
into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets
added into the html. For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result will
look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki
mode.
And another argument is that content is more
important than style
(vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
superscript...). No font information, please. 2. Keep style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
+1 for 3.
WDYT ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
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4:31 p.m.
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Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
>
>> Hi Devs,
>>
>> When converting office documents into html (before they are transformed
>>
> into
>
>> xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets added into the html. For an
>> example :
>>
>> <p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
>>
>>
>
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></sup>format</p>
>
>> And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result will
>>
> look
>
>> something like :
>>
>> (% class="western" %)
>> Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
>> %)superscript^^(%%) format
>>
>> The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have lot's of
>> (%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki
>>
> mode.
>
>> And another argument is that content is more important than style
>>
> (vincent).
>
>> So, there are three options :
>>
>> 1. Rip off style information.
>>
> What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
> superscript...). No font information, please.
>
We should at least keep the font size or convert it to the closest
heading.
I'd be in favour of removing parameters that do not directly translate into
XWiki 2.0 syntax items in all cases (otherwise imported documents will not
have a consistent look across the wiki). This would mean getting rid of font
size, font color and font family in all cases, without even allowing the
user to do so.
This is how XWord behaves right now and IMO it can be quite disturbing
for the user to see big differences between the original document and
the wiki layout.
XWord will use OfficeImporter for some of it's features and I prefer to
be able to choose between keeping the style data and not keeping it.
Here's my +1 for 3.
WDYT?
Guillaume
2. Keep style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
+1 for 3.
WDYT ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
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On Nov 3, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
The (%...%) notation *IS* wiki syntax. I think you're talking about
removing style elements.
Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
I'd be in favour of removing parameters that do not directly
translate into
XWiki 2.0 syntax items in all cases (otherwise imported documents
will not
have a consistent look across the wiki). Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are
transformed
into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets
added into the html.
For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></
sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result
will
look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have
lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki
mode.
And another argument is that content is more
important than style
(vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
superscript...). No font information, please. This would mean getting rid of font
size, font color and font family in all cases, without even allowing
the
user to do so.
Without allowing the user to do what?
Thanks
-Vincent
WDYT?
Guillaume
>
>
>> 2. Keep style information as it is.
>>
>> 3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
>>
>> I'm going with 3. :)
>
> +1 for 3.
>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Asiri
4 Nov
4 Nov
12:52 a.m.
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Without letting the user import styles by default (ie, the user should
explicitely choose importing styles).
Guillaume
On Nov 3, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
I know that (%...%) is wiki syntax. What I meant is that I agreed with Asiri
on the fact that an user will never bother editing a document loaded with
(%...%) all over the place. Thus removing style elements by default (and
therefore avoiding having to use the (%...%) syntax as a byproduct) seems to
be the best option to me.
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
The (%...%) notation *IS* wiki syntax. I think you're talking about
removing style elements. Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
I'd be in favour of removing parameters that do not directly
translate into
XWiki 2.0 syntax items in all cases (otherwise imported documents
will not
have a consistent look across the wiki). Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are
transformed
into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets
added into the html.
For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></
sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result
will
look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have
lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki
mode.
And another argument is that content is more
important than style
(vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
superscript...). No font information, please. This would mean getting rid of font
size, font color and font family in all cases, without even allowing
the
user to do so.
Without allowing the user to do what?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
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Product Manager - XWiki
Skype ID : wikibc
http://blog.xwiki.com/
WDYT?
Guillaume
>
>
>> 2. Keep style information as it is.
>>
>> 3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
>>
>> I'm going with 3. :)
>
> +1 for 3.
>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Asiri
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4:18 p.m.
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1
+1 for 3) if the default is set to "rip off syntax info that is not
handled by wiki markup".
So, there are
three options :
1. Rip off style information.
What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
superscript...). No font information, please. 2. Keep style
information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
+1 for 3.
9:13 p.m.
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On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu
<sergiu(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
+1
+1 for 3) if the default is set to "rip off syntax info that is not
handled by wiki markup".
Not sure what you mean by this. I'd much prefer that the default be to
import only content and not style.
Thanks
-Vincent
So, there
are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
superscript...). No font information, please. 2. Keep
style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
+1 for 3.
4:32 p.m.
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
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Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
+1
Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are transformed into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets added into the html. For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result will look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki mode.
And another argument is that content is more important than style (vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
superscript...). No font information, please. 2. Keep style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
+1 for 3.
WDYT ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
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Hi Sergiu, All,
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Where can I find the legal style elements that can be rendered in xwiki 2.0
?
I mean like text-align, color and so and so ?
If we have such a comprehensive list, then we can simply rip off everything
else! I mean, what is not possible to be rendered should not be kept ...
In this case, I don't see a requirement of presenting a choice to the user,
isn't it ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are transformed
into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets
added into the html. For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result will
look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki
mode.
And another argument is that content is more
important than style
(vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
superscript...). No font information, please. 2. Keep style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
+1 for 3.
WDYT ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
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On Nov 4, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Hi Sergiu, All,
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
They are all legal. Not sure what you mean. Whatever is legal in XHTML
is legal.
Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Where can I find the legal style elements that can be rendered in
xwiki 2.0
? Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are
transformed
into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets
added into the html.
For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></
sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result
will
look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have
lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki
mode.
And another argument is that content is more
important than style
(vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
What is expressible with wiki markup should be kept (headings, bold,
superscript...). No font information, please. I mean like text-align, color and so and so ?
If we have such a comprehensive list, then we can simply rip off
everything
else! I mean, what is not possible to be rendered should not be
kept ...
As I said you can remove all style attributes.
In this case, I don't see a requirement of
presenting a choice to
the user,
isn't it ?
The user should be able to choose whether he wants to import styles or
not.
Thanks
-Vincent
>
>> 2. Keep style information as it is.
>>
>> 3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
>>
>> I'm going with 3. :)
>
> +1 for 3.
>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Asiri
3 Nov
3 Nov
9:15 p.m.
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+1 for 3 with the default being not to import styles.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Hi Devs,
When converting office documents into html (before they are
transformed into
xwiki syntax) lots of style information gets added into the html.
For an
example :
<p class="western">Text in a <sup><span
style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;">superscript</span></
sup>format</p>
And finally when this is transformed into xwiki syntax, the result
will look
something like :
(% class="western" %)
Text in a ^^(% style="color:;font-family=;font-size=2pt;"
%)superscript^^(%%) format
The problem with this is, the resulting xwiki document will have
lot's of
(%%) elements which makes it difficult to make modifications in wiki
mode.
And another argument is that content is more important than style
(vincent).
So, there are three options :
1. Rip off style information.
2. Keep style information as it is.
3. Give the user an option to select between 1 and 2.
I'm going with 3. :)
WDYT ?
Thanks.
- Asiri
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