[xwiki-devs] [vote] Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros
17 Sep
2010
17 Sep
'10
3:56 p.m.
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section & macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
17 Sep
17 Sep
4:21 p.m.
Hi Anca,
There were some concerns over the name "section" - name that I
shamelessly ripped from confluence when working on that - see
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-2963
Besides that, +1
Jerome.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section & macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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8:05 p.m.
Hi all,
On 09/17/2010 04:21 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
Hi Anca,
There were some concerns over the name "section" - name that I
shamelessly ripped from confluence when working on that - see
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-2963
I'm not such a big fan of section either.
I would go for
columnGroup
, I think layout is a bit too general, it must be obvious it's about
columns since it actually enforces the column macro inside.
The other proposals were:
columns -- too easy to mistake for column
layout -- too general in my view
What do others think?
Thanks,
Anca
Besides that, +1
Jerome.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Anca Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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8:47 p.m.
I prefer "columns" to "columnGroup"
But perhaps that's the pom.xml living in the programmer talking here...
Jerome.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi all,
On 09/17/2010 04:21 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
Hi Anca,
There were some concerns over the name "section" - name that I
shamelessly ripped from confluence when working on that - see
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-2963
I'm not such a big fan of section either.
I would go for
columnGroup
, I think layout is a bit too general, it must be obvious it's about
columns since it actually enforces the column macro inside.
The other proposals were:
columns -- too easy to mistake for column
layout -- too general in my view
What do others think?
Thanks,
Anca
Besides that, +1
Jerome.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Anca Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
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Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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19 Sep
19 Sep
8:42 p.m.
On 09/17/2010 09:47 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
I prefer "columns" to
"columnGroup"
Same here. +1 for moving them to the platform.
Thanks,
Marius
But perhaps that's the pom.xml living in the programmer talking here...
Jerome.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Anca Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi all,
On 09/17/2010 04:21 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
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There were some concerns over the name "section" - name that I
shamelessly ripped from confluence when working on that - see
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-2963
I'm not such a big fan of section either.
I would go for
columnGroup
, I think layout is a bit too general, it must be obvious it's about
columns since it actually enforces the column macro inside.
The other proposals were:
columns -- too easy to mistake for column
layout -- too general in my view
What do others think?
Thanks,
Anca
Besides that, +1
Jerome.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Anca Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
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Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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17 Sep
17 Sep
7:34 p.m.
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
+1
--
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http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
20 Sep
20 Sep
5:40 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
columns layout style.
I like this approach, +1.
WDYT?
Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
Thanks,
Anca
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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5:42 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 17:40, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
columns layout style.
I like this approach, +1.
WDYT?
+1 as well.
Guillaume
Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the
platform.
Thanks,
Anca
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(
https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very
simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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5:47 p.m.
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+1
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 17:40, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
columns layout style.
I like this approach, +1.
WDYT?
Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
Thanks,
Anca
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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5:58 p.m.
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Nice approach, +1.
JV.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
columns layout style.
I like this approach, +1.
WDYT?
Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
Thanks,
Anca
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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6:15 p.m.
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+1 obviously ;)
-Vincent
On Sep 20, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
columns layout style.
I like this approach, +1.
WDYT?
Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
Thanks,
Anca
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
> (https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
> in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
> of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
> section macro)?
>
> This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
> dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
>
> Here's my +1.
>
> WDYT?
> Anca
6:16 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
I don't like too much "container", it's not very explicit its use is
"layouting". Do you see there are other uses? Why not "{{layout
style='columns'}}" ?
Also, if you abandon the column macro, you abandon the possibility to its
potential parameters. Still one could use group parameters as a replacement,
but you cannot achieve exactly the same (from the WYSIWYG interaction
perspective for example).
+0 anyway
Jerome.
The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a
container macro with
columns layout style.
I like this approach, +1.
WDYT?
Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
Thanks,
Anca
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(
https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very
simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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6:50 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
On 09/20/2010 06:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
For example you could use it to also provide borders, and size,
eventually ending up implementing the box as a special case of container
macro.
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
I don't like too much "container", it's not very explicit its use is
"layouting". Do you see there are other uses? Why not "{{layout
style='columns'}}" ?
Also, if you abandon the column macro, you abandon the possibility to its
potential parameters.
This is a very good argument actually, particularly if we think about
the simple case of columns that take percents of the page width, the
percent should be passable as a parameter of the column macro, I don't
like the idea of specially parsing the group parameters.
WDYT?
Also if we think about a border layout (a la Swing), we'd need a group
to specify its position.
In this case, a new vote would be for the name of the inner macro, which
needs to have a suggestive name. Proposals:
a) content
b) item
c) group
d) widget
e) part
f) element
g) entity
My +1 for c).
WDYT? in general about this limitation and in particular about the name
of the macro to use.
Still one could use group parameters as a
replacement,
but you cannot achieve exactly the same (from the WYSIWYG interaction
perspective for example).
The wysiwyg cannot handle nested macros in any case, at least not for
the moment and I don't think it's really that much envisaged.
Thanks,
Anca
+0 anyway
Jerome.
The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a
container macro with
columns layout style.
I like this approach, +1.
WDYT?
Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
Thanks,
Anca
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
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wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(
https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very
simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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7:27 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 09/20/2010 06:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
I like "item"
could be containerItem, containerElement ?
"group" is too technical IMHO.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
For example you could use it to also provide borders, and size,
eventually ending up implementing the box as a special case of container
macro.
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
I don't like too much "container", it's not very explicit its use is
"layouting". Do you see there are other uses? Why not "{{layout
style='columns'}}" ?
Also, if you abandon the column macro, you abandon the possibility to its
potential parameters.
This is a very good argument actually, particularly if we think about
the simple case of columns that take percents of the page width, the
percent should be passable as a parameter of the column macro, I don't
like the idea of specially parsing the group parameters.
WDYT?
Also if we think about a border layout (a la Swing), we'd need a group
to specify its position.
In this case, a new vote would be for the name of the inner macro, which
needs to have a suggestive name. Proposals:
a) content
b) item
c) group
d) widget
e) part
f) element
g) entity
My +1 for c).
WDYT? in general about this limitation and in particular about the name
of the macro to use.
I know, but I dare to hope they be supported at some point :)
Jerome.
Still one could use group parameters as a
replacement,
but you cannot achieve exactly the same (from the WYSIWYG interaction
perspective for example).
The wysiwyg cannot handle nested macros in any case, at least not for
the moment and I don't think it's really that much envisaged.
Thanks,
Anca
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+0 anyway
Jerome.
> The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
> columns layout style.
>
> I like this approach, +1.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
>
> Thanks,
> Anca
>
> On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
>> (
>
https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very
simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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21 Sep
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5:55 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Anca Luca
<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
It's possible to use any kind of parameter for groups (parameters aren't
restricted to parameters having a meaning in HTML) so I don't see this as a problem at
all.
The only thing we would need to agree and it's more general than this issue is how to
introduce namespaces for parameters since otherwise we would have potential collisions. We
discussed it a long time ago if I remember correctly but we've not really worked on
it.
My idea would be to introduce an "html" namespace for parameters and a
"layout" namespace for the layout/container macro. The XHTML renderer would copy
as is any parameter in the "html" namespace.
Some examples:
(% html:style="...." %)
whatever
{{layout/container...}}
(% layout:position = "south" %)
((( ... )))
{{/layout/container}}
Now I don't personally really care whether we use groups or a macro but I find it
better to reuse something that exists and that is meant for this purpose rather than
invent a new thing. Also with a macro we'd need (if we want to be perfect) to find a
way so that the macro isn't displayed as a top level macro available in the WYSIWYG
but only as a macro that is made available when editing the content of the
layout/container macro. In the first place we could simply not do this of course and have
a check inside the nested macro so that it checks what macro is its parent and display an
error if not used correctly but it's not perfect.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 09/20/2010 06:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
I like "item"
could be containerItem, containerElement ?
"group" is too technical IMHO. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
For example you could use it to also provide borders, and size,
eventually ending up implementing the box as a special case of container
macro.
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
I don't like too much "container", it's not very explicit its use is
"layouting". Do you see there are other uses? Why not "{{layout
style='columns'}}" ?
Also, if you abandon the column macro, you abandon the possibility to its
potential parameters.
This is a very good argument actually, particularly if we think about
the simple case of columns that take percents of the page width, the
percent should be passable as a parameter of the column macro, I don't
like the idea of specially parsing the group parameters.
WDYT?
Also if we think about a border layout (a la Swing), we'd need a group
to specify its position.
In this case, a new vote would be for the name of the inner macro, which
needs to have a suggestive name. Proposals:
a) content
b) item
c) group
d) widget
e) part
f) element
g) entity
My +1 for c).
WDYT? in general about this limitation and in particular about the name
of the macro to use.
I know, but I dare to hope they be supported at some point :)
Jerome.
> at least not for
> the moment and I don't think it's really that much envisaged.
>
> Thanks,
> Anca
>
>>
>> +0 anyway
>>
>> Jerome.
>>
>>
>>> The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
>>> columns layout style.
>>>
>>> I like this approach, +1.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Anca
>>>
>>> On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
>>>> (
>>>
> https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
>>>> in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
>>>> of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
>>>> section macro)?
>>>>
>>>> This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
>>>> dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
>>>>
>>>> Here's my +1.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT?
>>>> Anca Still one could use group parameters as a
replacement,
but you cannot achieve exactly the same (from the WYSIWYG interaction
perspective for example).
The wysiwyg cannot handle nested macros in any case,
6:43 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
Hi all,
On 09/21/2010 05:55 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
After a discussion that clearified some of my concerns about the role of
(%%) parameters, I am quite convinced that it's ok to use groups params,
and we should stick to using groups.
Since everybody agreed with groups before, except for Jerome who raised
the parameters issue, I will consider those as real +1s for this
solution, and Jerome's vote as a +0, so no -.
The main advantage of using groups is not redefining something with the
same purpose, especially because of it being a special case (see below
Vincent's remarks about handling macros that cannot be used toplevel).
I will prepare this solution and commit.
Thanks,
Anca
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
It's possible to use any kind of parameter for groups (parameters aren't
restricted to parameters having a meaning in HTML) so I don't see this as a problem at
all.
On 09/20/2010 06:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
I like "item"
could be containerItem, containerElement ?
"group" is too technical IMHO. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
> of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
>
> 1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
> **layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
> the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
> only one implemented for the moment.
>
> 2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
> wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
> that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
> together.
>
> With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
>
> {{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
> ((( some wiki content )))
> ((( some other wiki content)))
> {{/container}}
>
I don't like too much "container", it's not very explicit its use is
"layouting". Do you see there are other uses? Why not "{{layout
style='columns'}}" ?
For example you could use it to also provide borders, and size,
eventually ending up implementing the box as a special case of container
macro.
Also, if you abandon the column macro, you abandon the possibility to its
potential parameters.
This is a very good argument actually, particularly if we think about
the simple case of columns that take percents of the page width, the
percent should be passable as a parameter of the column macro, I don't
like the idea of specially parsing the group parameters.
WDYT?
Also if we think about a border layout (a la Swing), we'd need a group
to specify its position.
In this case, a new vote would be for the name of the inner macro, which
needs to have a suggestive name. Proposals:
a) content
b) item
c) group
d) widget
e) part
f) element
g) entity
The only thing we would need to agree and it's more general than this issue is how to
introduce namespaces for parameters since otherwise we would have potential collisions. We
discussed it a long time ago if I remember correctly but we've not really worked on
it.
I will try to see what I can do about that, for this case.
My idea would be to introduce an "html" namespace for parameters and a
"layout" namespace for the layout/container macro. The XHTML renderer would copy
as is any parameter in the "html" namespace.
Some examples:
(% html:style="...." %)
whatever
{{layout/container...}}
(% layout:position = "south" %)
((( ... )))
{{/layout/container}}
Now I don't personally really care whether we use groups or a macro but I find it
better to reuse something that exists and that is meant for this purpose rather than
invent a new thing. Also with a macro we'd need (if we want to be perfect) to find a
way so that the macro isn't displayed as a top level macro available in the WYSIWYG
but only as a macro that is made available when editing the content of the
layout/container macro. In the first place we could simply not do this of course and have
a check inside the nested macro so that it checks what macro is its parent and display an
error if not used correctly but it's not perfect.
Thanks
-Vincent
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My +1 for
c).
WDYT? in general about this limitation and in particular about the name
of the macro to use.
I know, but I dare to hope they be supported at some point :)
Jerome.
> at least not for
> the moment and I don't think it's really that much envisaged.
>
> Thanks,
> Anca
>
>>
>> +0 anyway
>>
>> Jerome.
>>
>>
>>> The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
>>> columns layout style.
>>>
>>> I like this approach, +1.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Anca
>>>
>>> On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
>>>> (
>>>
> https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
>>>> in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
>>>> of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
>>>> section macro)?
>>>>
>>>> This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
>>>> dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
>>>>
>>>> Here's my +1.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT?
>>>> Anca Still one could use group parameters as a
replacement,
but you cannot achieve exactly the same (from the WYSIWYG interaction
perspective for example).
The wysiwyg cannot handle nested macros in any case,
22 Sep
22 Sep
8:33 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
Hi devs,
On 09/21/2010 06:43 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi all,
On 09/21/2010 05:55 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
I committed a first version of the container macro, demonstrating the
approach I plan to take, at
http://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/sandbox/xwiki-macro-container/ to
be moved in the platform once I manage to write some tests. I would like
a second opinion about the approach.
Thanks,
Anca
On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
After a discussion that clearified some of my concerns about the role of
(%%) parameters, I am quite convinced that it's ok to use groups params,
and we should stick to using groups.
Since everybody agreed with groups before, except for Jerome who raised
the parameters issue, I will consider those as real +1s for this
solution, and Jerome's vote as a +0, so no -.
The main advantage of using groups is not redefining something with the
same purpose, especially because of it being a special case (see below
Vincent's remarks about handling macros that cannot be used toplevel).
I will prepare this solution and commit. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
It's possible to use any kind of parameter for groups (parameters aren't
restricted to parameters having a meaning in HTML) so I don't see this as a problem at
all.
On 09/20/2010 06:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
>> of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
>>
>> 1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
>> **layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
>> the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be
the
>> only one implemented for the moment.
>>
>> 2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
>> wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
>> that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
>> together.
>>
>> With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
>>
>> {{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
>> ((( some wiki content )))
>> ((( some other wiki content)))
>> {{/container}}
>>
>
>
> I don't like too much "container", it's not very explicit its use
is
> "layouting". Do you see there are other uses? Why not "{{layout
> style='columns'}}" ?
For example you could use it to also provide borders, and size,
eventually ending up implementing the box as a special case of container
macro.
>
> Also, if you abandon the column macro, you abandon the possibility to its
> potential parameters.
This is a very good argument actually, particularly if we think about
the simple case of columns that take percents of the page width, the
percent should be passable as a parameter of the column macro, I don't
like the idea of specially parsing the group parameters.
WDYT?
Also if we think about a border layout (a la Swing), we'd need a group
to specify its position.
In this case, a new vote would be for the name of the inner macro, which
needs to have a suggestive name. Proposals:
a) content
b) item
c) group
d) widget
e) part
f) element
g) entity
I like "item"
could be containerItem, containerElement ?
"group" is too technical IMHO.
Thanks,
Anca
The only thing we would need to agree and it's more general than this issue is how to
introduce namespaces for parameters since otherwise we would have potential collisions. We
discussed it a long time ago if I remember correctly but we've not really worked on
it.
I will try to see what I can do about that, for this case.
My idea would be to introduce an "html" namespace for parameters and a
"layout" namespace for the layout/container macro. The XHTML renderer would copy
as is any parameter in the "html" namespace.
Some examples:
(% html:style="...." %)
whatever
{{layout/container...}}
(% layout:position = "south" %)
((( ... )))
{{/layout/container}}
Now I don't personally really care whether we use groups or a macro but I find it
better to reuse something that exists and that is meant for this purpose rather than
invent a new thing. Also with a macro we'd need (if we want to be perfect) to find a
way so that the macro isn't displayed as a top level macro available in the WYSIWYG
but only as a macro that is made available when editing the content of the
layout/container macro. In the first place we could simply not do this of course and have
a check inside the nested macro so that it checks what macro is its parent and display an
error if not used correctly but it's not perfect.
Thanks
-Vincent
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs My +1 for
c).
WDYT? in general about this limitation and in particular about the name
of the macro to use.
> Still one could use group parameters as a replacement,
> but you cannot achieve exactly the same (from the WYSIWYG interaction
> perspective for example).
The wysiwyg cannot handle nested macros in any case,
I know, but I dare to hope they be supported at some point :)
Jerome.
> at least not for
> the moment and I don't think it's really that much envisaged.
>
> Thanks,
> Anca
>
>>
>> +0 anyway
>>
>> Jerome.
>>
>>
>>> The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
>>> columns layout style.
>>>
>>> I like this approach, +1.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Anca
>>>
>>> On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the
contrib
>>>> (
>>>
> https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
>>>> in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
>>>> of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
>>>> section macro)?
>>>>
>>>> This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
>>>> dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
>>>>
>>>> Here's my +1.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT?
>>>> Anca
21 Sep
21 Sep
8:33 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 18:50, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 09/20/2010 06:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
Actually it is envisaged thanks to
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-5496 ;)
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
For example you could use it to also provide borders, and size,
eventually ending up implementing the box as a special case of container
macro.
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
I don't like too much "container", it's not very explicit its use is
"layouting". Do you see there are other uses? Why not "{{layout
style='columns'}}" ?
Also, if you abandon the column macro, you abandon the possibility to its
potential parameters.
This is a very good argument actually, particularly if we think about
the simple case of columns that take percents of the page width, the
percent should be passable as a parameter of the column macro, I don't
like the idea of specially parsing the group parameters.
WDYT?
Also if we think about a border layout (a la Swing), we'd need a group
to specify its position.
In this case, a new vote would be for the name of the inner macro, which
needs to have a suggestive name. Proposals:
a) content
b) item
c) group
d) widget
e) part
f) element
g) entity
My +1 for c).
WDYT? in general about this limitation and in particular about the name
of the macro to use.
Still one could use group parameters as a
replacement,
but you cannot achieve exactly the same (from the WYSIWYG interaction
perspective for example).
The wysiwyg cannot handle nested macros in any case, at least not for
the moment and I don't think it's really that much envisaged.
Thanks,
Anca
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+0 anyway
Jerome.
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The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a
container macro with
columns layout style.
I like this approach, +1.
WDYT?
Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
Thanks,
Anca
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(
https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very
simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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9:37 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 18:50, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 09/20/2010 06:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
I am not sure I get your idea.
Either we do not have parameters on the inner macro, and using ((( )))
groups are the best. This means that parameters for groups are provided on
the container macro. Is this really nice, do you like html colgroups ?
Or we need parameter on the inner macro, and...
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
For example you could use it to also provide borders, and size,
eventually ending up implementing the box as a special case of container
macro.
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
I don't like too much "container", it's not very explicit its use is
"layouting". Do you see there are other uses? Why not "{{layout
style='columns'}}" ?
Also, if you abandon the column macro, you abandon the possibility to its
potential parameters.
This is a very good argument actually, particularly if we think about
the simple case of columns that take percents of the page width, the
percent should be passable as a parameter of the column macro, I don't
like the idea of specially parsing the group parameters.
WDYT?
Also if we think about a border layout (a la Swing), we'd need a group
to specify its position.
In this case, a new vote would be for the name of the inner macro, which
needs to have a suggestive name. Proposals:
a) content
b) item
c) group
d) widget
e) part
f) element
g) entity
My +1 for c).
WDYT? in general about this limitation and in particular about the name
of the macro to use.
... why should we use a single name ?
The container macro (I would prefer "layout" like Jerome) may just be a
container for multiple different group, and one of them could then be called
"column", why not ?
Have I missed some important issue related to the WYSIWYG or the macro
implementation that prevent that ?
If yes, I would even prefer to keep a specific columns/column macro, this
would be clearer, even if this macro became an alias for something more
generic latter.
Moreover, I am not sure that the generic aspect of the implementation should
be really shown externally, macro usage should not be reserve to programmers
only (even if the WYSIWYG is a great tool), and the way of thinking of
programmers is not a good example of the human way of thinking :)
WDYT ?
Denis
Still one could use group parameters as a
replacement,
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but you cannot achieve exactly the same (from the
WYSIWYG interaction
perspective for example).
The wysiwyg cannot handle nested macros in any case, at least not for
the moment and I don't think it's really that much envisaged.
Thanks,
Anca
+0 anyway
Jerome.
> The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
> columns layout style.
>
> I like this approach, +1.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
>
> Thanks,
> Anca
>
> On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
>> (
>
https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very
simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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3:11 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Create a generic layout container macro (was "Commit the section, column and dashboard macro in the platform macros")
Hi Denis,
On 09/21/2010 09:37 AM, Denis Gervalle wrote:
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 18:50, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Well no, if we want parameters for the inner groups, then every group
needs to define its own parameters.
Another option would be to use ((( ))) groups for when there are no
params, and when we start needing parameters, we add an alternative
syntax based on a macro. This way both should work, in the case of a
group with no params ((( and {{{group}}} being equivalent.
On 09/20/2010 06:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
I am not sure I get your idea.
Either we do not have parameters on the inner macro, and using ((( )))
groups are the best. This means that parameters for groups are provided on
the container macro. Is this really nice, do you like html colgroups ? On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Anca
Luca<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
For example you could use it to also provide borders, and size,
eventually ending up implementing the box as a special case of container
macro.
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
I don't like too much "container", it's not very explicit its use is
"layouting". Do you see there are other uses? Why not "{{layout
style='columns'}}" ?
Also, if you abandon the column macro, you abandon the possibility to its
potential parameters.
This is a very good argument actually, particularly if we think about
the simple case of columns that take percents of the page width, the
percent should be passable as a parameter of the column macro, I don't
like the idea of specially parsing the group parameters.
WDYT?
Or we need parameter on the inner macro, and...
Mainly because the inner macros don't do anything (at all) by themselves
they're just markers for the outer macro to know how to deal with that
group of content. Which is why we had the idea of using ((( ))) groups,
to avoid having a macros that do nothing in the list of macros.
The more macros that do nothing we plan, the worse (column, panel,
gridbox, or who knows what other things we might want inside).
Also if we think about a border layout (a la Swing), we'd need a group
to specify its position.
In this case, a new vote would be for the name of the inner macro, which
needs to have a suggestive name. Proposals:
a) content
b) item
c) group
d) widget
e) part
f) element
g) entity
My +1 for c).
WDYT? in general about this limitation and in particular about the name
of the macro to use.
... why should we use a single name ?
The container macro (I would prefer "layout" like Jerome) may just be a
container for multiple different group, and one of them could then be called
"column", why not ?
Have I missed some important issue related to the WYSIWYG or the macro
implementation that prevent that ?
multiple macros inside? no, it's very possible. However wysiwyg doesn'r
yet allow editing macro in macro.
If yes, I would even prefer to keep a specific
columns/column macro, this
would be clearer, even if this macro became an alias for something more
generic latter.
in my view columns column is a little bad because they can be easily
confused, but that's a different story.
I think it's not such a good idea to add things that we know will
disappear, because it's hard to make them disappear, and we're gonna
endup with a bloated list of macros, from which half are aliases of the
other half.
Moreover, I am not sure that the generic aspect of the implementation should
be really shown externally, macro usage should not be reserve to programmers
only (even if the WYSIWYG is a great tool), and the way of thinking of
programmers is not a good example of the human way of thinking :)
While I agree with the fact that users would prefer more a macro which
is called columns instead of a macro called container with a layout
parameter that says columns, I don't think it's that bad and difficult
to use.
What do others think about these?
Thanks,
Anca
WDYT ?
Denis
Still one could use group parameters as a
replacement,
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but you cannot achieve exactly the same (from the
WYSIWYG interaction
perspective for example).
The wysiwyg cannot handle nested macros in any case, at least not for
the moment and I don't think it's really that much envisaged.
Thanks,
Anca
+0 anyway
Jerome.
> The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
> columns layout style.
>
> I like this approach, +1.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
>
> Thanks,
> Anca
>
> On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
>> (
>
https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
> in
the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
> of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
> section macro)?
>
> This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
> dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
>
> Here's my +1.
>
> WDYT?
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+1
Thanks,
Marius
On 09/20/2010 06:40 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi devs,
actually after a discussion I had with Vincent about naming, we thought
of the following approach, for a more general purpose:
1/ section turns into ** container ** and it gets a parameter called
**layoutStyle** to specify the type of layout for its contents. One of
the possible values of this param would be "columns" and it would be the
only one implemented for the moment.
2/ the content of this container macro would be a **list of groups**,
wiki syntax groups, like ((( ... ))). There's no point of having a macro
that does nothing else but specify that some items should be grouped
together.
With these, the syntax of columned content would now be:
{{container layoutStyle="columns"}}
((( some wiki content )))
((( some other wiki content)))
{{/container}}
The dashboard macro would then just delegate to a container macro with
columns layout style.
I like this approach, +1.
WDYT?
Once I get your votes, I will commit this in the platform.
Thanks,
Anca
On 09/17/2010 03:56 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi devs,
wdyt about committing the section& macro columns from the contrib
(https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/projects/xwiki-macro-column/)
in the platform macros, along with a first, very simple implementation
of the dashboard macro (which for the moment only delegates to the
section macro)?
This would be the first step towards the implementation of the
dashboard, and the plan is to be done before 2.5M2.
Here's my +1.
WDYT?
Anca
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