4 Dec
2008
4 Dec
'08
4:16 p.m.
Hi XWikiers,
I've made mockups for the WYSIWYG Image dialogs, you can see them at :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
Votes for internal image insertion :
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
We could rely on the browser's image resizing feature for this and
drop this setting. I'm in favor of keeping it (see my votes below)
since it allow to keep size consistency between multiple images
(screenshots for example) in the same page.
Also, IE and FF have this resizing feature but we can't assume that
it'll be the same for all the browsers we will target in the future.
2) Image size option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
3) Text flow
---------------
I think it's a must have but since it'll rely on a touchy parameter I
prefer that we vote for it.
Generated wiki syntax example : [[image:awsome.jpg||style="float:right"]]
Notes :
- for the moment using this will cause issues with titles, see :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Image
- I'm not sure that we'll be able to combine position center + text flow.
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
Votes for external image insertion :
5) Number of wizard steps
-----------------------------------
Like for the link insertion dialogs we have a major difference between
internal and external stuff. We could :
a) Have 2 steps to be consistent with the internal insertion. First
step : image URL, second step : image options.
b) Ease the edit work and have all the settings in the same screen,
this is how I've presented it in the mockup.
My votes :
1) +1
2) +1 for a)
3) +1
4) +1 for d) if possible
5) +1 for b)
Thanks,
JV.
4 Dec
4 Dec
4:38 p.m.
On Dec 4, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Hi XWikiers,
I've made mockups for the WYSIWYG Image dialogs, you can see them at :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
Same questions as for the links:
* filter box
* how the image address field work?
* how to specify custom parameters?
Votes for internal image insertion :
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
We could rely on the browser's image resizing feature for this and
drop this setting. I'm in favor of keeping it (see my votes below)
since it allow to keep size consistency between multiple images
(screenshots for example) in the same page.
Also, IE and FF have this resizing feature but we can't assume that
it'll be the same for all the browsers we will target in the future.
+1 for using the browser resize feature but +1 too for offering the
resize feature in the dialog box.
2) Image size option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
+1 for b) as it's done in the mockup (except that I don't understand
why there's only one width box and no height when "custom" is chosen
in the combo).
3) Text flow
---------------
I think it's a must have but since it'll rely on a touchy parameter I
prefer that we vote for it.
Generated wiki syntax example : [[image:awsome.jpg||
style="float:right"]]
Notes :
- for the moment using this will cause issues with titles, see :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Image
- I'm not sure that we'll be able to combine position center + text
flow.
+1
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
Why not have a preview button and this opens a new window with the doc
as it'll look like?
I'm generally in favor of d) if possible (I think 4) should not be in
a first version if too complex).
What I don't understand is whether you plan to show the whole doc in
the same dialog box preview viewport. This is why I was suggesting to
open a new window to render a temporary document instead.
Votes for external image insertion :
5) Number of wizard steps
-----------------------------------
Like for the link insertion dialogs we have a major difference between
internal and external stuff. We could :
a) Have 2 steps to be consistent with the internal insertion. First
step : image URL, second step : image options.
b) Ease the edit work and have all the settings in the same screen,
this is how I've presented it in the mockup.
+1 for b).
Thanks
-Vincent
My votes :
1) +1
2) +1 for a)
3) +1
4) +1 for d) if possible
5) +1 for b)
Thanks,
JV.
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5:36 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
This is supposed to be explained by the sentence between the select
and the input.
I agree that 4) d) could be developed after a first version if too complex.
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
+1 for b) as it's done in the mockup (except that I don't understand
why there's only one width box and no height when "custom" is chosen
in the combo). 4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
Why not have a preview button and this opens a new window with the doc
as it'll look like?
I'm generally in favor of d) if possible (I think 4) should not be in
a first version if too complex). What I don't understand is whether you plan to
show the whole doc in
the same dialog box preview viewport. This is why I was suggesting to
open a new window to render a temporary document instead.
The idea here is not to take the content from the document, just to
offer a quick preview of the image in the text flow.
With fake content like : ____ _______ _______________ ___ ____.
With a 1024x768 resolution the content part of our pages is something
like 800px wide. With a 400px wide preview container we could render
the image with the selected size / 2. No matter the user resolution
we'd display the preview with a refined version of this rule.
See a HTML mockup of this at :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Preview?xpage=plain
I'm -1 to open a preview in a new window, the idea of the preview in
the mockup was to have a _quick_ idea of the result, if the user wants
to see the result he just has to insert it.
JV.
4:40 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean <jv(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi XWikiers,
I've made mockups for the WYSIWYG Image dialogs, you can see them at :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
Votes for internal image insertion :
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
We could rely on the browser's image resizing feature for this and
drop this setting. I'm in favor of keeping it (see my votes below)
since it allow to keep size consistency between multiple images
(screenshots for example) in the same page.
Also, IE and FF have this resizing feature but we can't assume that
it'll be the same for all the browsers we will target in the future.
2) Image size option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
3) Text flow
---------------
I think it's a must have but since it'll rely on a touchy parameter I
prefer that we vote for it.
Generated wiki syntax example : [[image:awsome.jpg||style="float:right"]]
Notes :
- for the moment using this will cause issues with titles, see :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Image
- I'm not sure that we'll be able to combine position center + text flow.
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
Votes for external image insertion :
5) Number of wizard steps
-----------------------------------
Like for the link insertion dialogs we have a major difference between
internal and external stuff. We could :
a) Have 2 steps to be consistent with the internal insertion. First
step : image URL, second step : image options.
b) Ease the edit work and have all the settings in the same screen,
this is how I've presented it in the mockup.
My votes :
1) +1
2) +1 for a)
3) +1
4) +1 for d) if possible
5) +1 for b)
Thanks,
JV.
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1) +1
2) +1 for b), sometime you dont want fit the image ratio
3) +0
4) d) would be great but I doubt we need to go that far, I would say
+1 for b) unless d) is not too tricky. Anyway -1 for a), we need it
IMO.
5) +1 for b)
--
Thomas Mortagne
5:45 p.m.
Le 4 déc. 08 à 16:40, Thomas Mortagne a écrit :
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean
<jv(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
1) +1
2) +1 for a) changing image ratio is bad :)
3) +1
4) +1 for b) Keep it stupid simple -0 for d) if the image is the
selected image, what about the text, the skin, what about the ratio
beetwen text size/img size/ layout size...
5) +1 for b)
Laurent Lunati
Hi XWikiers,
I've made mockups for the WYSIWYG Image dialogs, you can see them
at :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
Votes for internal image insertion :
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
We could rely on the browser's image resizing feature for this and
drop this setting. I'm in favor of keeping it (see my votes below)
since it allow to keep size consistency between multiple images
(screenshots for example) in the same page.
Also, IE and FF have this resizing feature but we can't assume that
it'll be the same for all the browsers we will target in the future.
2) Image size option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
3) Text flow
---------------
I think it's a must have but since it'll rely on a touchy parameter I
prefer that we vote for it.
Generated wiki syntax example : [[image:awsome.jpg||
style="float:right"]]
Notes :
- for the moment using this will cause issues with titles, see :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Image
- I'm not sure that we'll be able to combine position center + text
flow.
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
Votes for external image insertion :
5) Number of wizard steps
-----------------------------------
Like for the link insertion dialogs we have a major difference
between
internal and external stuff. We could :
a) Have 2 steps to be consistent with the internal insertion. First
step : image URL, second step : image options.
b) Ease the edit work and have all the settings in the same screen,
this is how I've presented it in the mockup.
My votes :
1) +1
2) +1 for a)
3) +1
4) +1 for d) if possible
5) +1 for b)
Thanks,
JV.
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1) +1
2) +1 for b), sometime you dont want fit the image ratio
3) +0
4) d) would be great but I doubt we need to go that far, I would say
+1 for b) unless d) is not too tricky. Anyway -1 for a), we need it
IMO.
5) +1 for b)
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5:56 p.m.
On Dec 4, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Laurent Lunati wrote:
Le 4 déc. 08 à 16:40, Thomas Mortagne a écrit :
I change my vote. I'm ok for 2 a) since the user can use the browser
feature if he really wants to change the ratio.
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Jean-Vincent
Drean <jv(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
1) +1
2) +1 for a) changing image ratio is bad :) Hi XWikiers,
I've made mockups for the WYSIWYG Image dialogs, you can see them
at :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
Votes for internal image insertion :
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
We could rely on the browser's image resizing feature for this and
drop this setting. I'm in favor of keeping it (see my votes below)
since it allow to keep size consistency between multiple images
(screenshots for example) in the same page.
Also, IE and FF have this resizing feature but we can't assume that
it'll be the same for all the browsers we will target in the future.
2) Image size option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
3) Text flow
---------------
I think it's a must have but since it'll rely on a touchy
parameter I
prefer that we vote for it.
Generated wiki syntax example : [[image:awsome.jpg||
style="float:right"]]
Notes :
- for the moment using this will cause issues with titles, see :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Image
- I'm not sure that we'll be able to combine position center + text
flow.
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating
what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
Votes for external image insertion :
5) Number of wizard steps
-----------------------------------
Like for the link insertion dialogs we have a major difference
between
internal and external stuff. We could :
a) Have 2 steps to be consistent with the internal insertion. First
step : image URL, second step : image options.
b) Ease the edit work and have all the settings in the same screen,
this is how I've presented it in the mockup.
My votes :
1) +1
2) +1 for a)
3) +1
4) +1 for d) if possible
5) +1 for b)
Thanks,
JV.
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1) +1
2) +1 for b), sometime you dont want fit the image ratio
3) +0
4) d) would be great but I doubt we need to go that far, I would say
+1 for b) unless d) is not too tricky. Anyway -1 for a), we need it
IMO.
5) +1 for b)
3) +1
4) +1 for b) Keep it stupid simple -0 for d) if the image is the
selected image, what about the text, the skin, what about the ratio
beetwen text size/img size/ layout size...
4 b) is fine with me too.
5) +1 for b)
Laurent Lunati
6:04 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
4 b) is fine with me too.
Yes 4) b) seems better. Laurent made a good point by asking me to try
my mockup with bigger sizes :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Preview?xpage=plain
We lose the context (text flow) with big images.
Grr, I loved this gadget ;)
JV.
>
> 4) Preview
> --------------
>
> I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
> a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
> a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
> and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
> d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
> preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating
> what
> the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
> predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
>
4) +1 for b) Keep it stupid simple -0 for d) if the image is the
selected image, what about the text, the skin, what about the ratio
beetwen text size/img size/ layout size... 
5 Dec
5 Dec
9:22 a.m.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Hi XWikiers,
I've made mockups for the WYSIWYG Image dialogs, you can see them at :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
Votes for internal image insertion :
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
We could rely on the browser's image resizing feature for this and
drop this setting. I'm in favor of keeping it (see my votes below)
since it allow to keep size consistency between multiple images
(screenshots for example) in the same page.
Also, IE and FF have this resizing feature but we can't assume that
it'll be the same for all the browsers we will target in the future.
+1 since resizing to a specific width/height (say 147px) using the mouse
is not easy even in specialized applications.
2) Image size option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
-0 since the user can resize the image, once it is inserted, without
keeping the width/height ratio. What will happen when he edits the
image? What ratio would be protected? The one before the resize or the
one after the resize?
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
+1 provided the width/height ratio is locked by default (as it is in all
specialized applications).
3) Text flow
---------------
I think it's a must have but since it'll rely on a touchy parameter I
prefer that we vote for it.
Generated wiki syntax example : [[image:awsome.jpg||style="float:right"]]
Notes :
- for the moment using this will cause issues with titles, see :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Image
- I'm not sure that we'll be able to combine position center + text flow.
+1
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
+1 for b)
Votes for external image insertion :
5) Number of wizard steps
-----------------------------------
Like for the link insertion dialogs we have a major difference between
internal and external stuff. We could :
a) Have 2 steps to be consistent with the internal insertion. First
step : image URL, second step : image options.
b) Ease the edit work and have all the settings in the same screen,
this is how I've presented it in the mockup.
+1 for b)
My votes :
1) +1
2) +1 for a)
3) +1
4) +1 for d) if possible
5) +1 for b)
Thanks,
JV.
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2:30 p.m.
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
1) +1, offering 3 standard image widths + "set custom width" seems good to
me.
2) +1 for letting the user edit only the image width (thus keeping the
ratio). The user will be able to break the ratio using his mouse back in
edit mode (which is bad but AFAIU we cannot prevent this, can we?).
3) +1
4) +1 for b) , an image placeholder seems good enough and is easy to
understand
5) +1 for b)
Guillaume
--
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Product Manager - XWiki
Skype ID : wikibc
http://blog.xwiki.com/
Hi XWikiers,
I've made mockups for the WYSIWYG Image dialogs, you can see them at :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
Votes for internal image insertion :
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
We could rely on the browser's image resizing feature for this and
drop this setting. I'm in favor of keeping it (see my votes below)
since it allow to keep size consistency between multiple images
(screenshots for example) in the same page.
Also, IE and FF have this resizing feature but we can't assume that
it'll be the same for all the browsers we will target in the future.
+1 since resizing to a specific width/height (say 147px) using the mouse
is not easy even in specialized applications.
2) Image size option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
-0 since the user can resize the image, once it is inserted, without
keeping the width/height ratio. What will happen when he edits the
image? What ratio would be protected? The one before the resize or the
one after the resize?
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
+1 provided the width/height ratio is locked by default (as it is in all
specialized applications).
3) Text flow
---------------
I think it's a must have but since it'll rely on a touchy parameter I
prefer that we vote for it.
Generated wiki syntax example : [[image:awsome.jpg||style="float:right"]]
Notes :
- for the moment using this will cause issues with titles, see :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Image
- I'm not sure that we'll be able to combine position center + text flow.
+1
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
+1 for b)
Votes for external image insertion :
5) Number of wizard steps
-----------------------------------
Like for the link insertion dialogs we have a major difference between
internal and external stuff. We could :
a) Have 2 steps to be consistent with the internal insertion. First
step : image URL, second step : image options.
b) Ease the edit work and have all the settings in the same screen,
this is how I've presented it in the mockup.
+1 for b)
My votes :
1) +1
2) +1 for a)
3) +1
4) +1 for d) if possible
5) +1 for b)
Thanks,
JV.
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3:39 p.m.
Hello,
Guillaume Lerouge a écrit :
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
1) +1 (I think that the users will choose a default size for almost
every images)
2) b)
3) +1 (+ I don't think that "center + text flow" is very important - we
should not spend too much time on it if it's difficult)
4) b) (i agree with Guillaume)
5) b)
Thomas
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
1) +1, offering 3 standard image widths + "set custom width" seems good to
me.
2) +1 for letting the user edit only the image width (thus keeping the
ratio). The user will be able to break the ratio using his mouse back in
edit mode (which is bad but AFAIU we cannot prevent this, can we?).
3) +1
4) +1 for b) , an image placeholder seems good enough and is easy to
understand
5) +1 for b)
Guillaume
Hi XWikiers,
I've made mockups for the WYSIWYG Image dialogs, you can see them at :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
Votes for internal image insertion :
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
We could rely on the browser's image resizing feature for this and
drop this setting. I'm in favor of keeping it (see my votes below)
since it allow to keep size consistency between multiple images
(screenshots for example) in the same page.
Also, IE and FF have this resizing feature but we can't assume that
it'll be the same for all the browsers we will target in the future.
+1 since resizing to a specific width/height (say 147px) using the mouse
is not easy even in specialized applications.
2) Image size option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
-0 since the user can resize the image, once it is inserted, without
keeping the width/height ratio. What will happen when he edits the
image? What ratio would be protected? The one before the resize or the
one after the resize?
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
+1 provided the width/height ratio is locked by default (as it is in all
specialized applications).
3) Text flow
---------------
I think it's a must have but since it'll rely on a touchy parameter I
prefer that we vote for it.
Generated wiki syntax example : [[image:awsome.jpg||style="float:right"]]
Notes :
- for the moment using this will cause issues with titles, see :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Image
- I'm not sure that we'll be able to combine position center + text flow.
+1
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
+1 for b)
Votes for external image insertion :
5) Number of wizard steps
-----------------------------------
Like for the link insertion dialogs we have a major difference between
internal and external stuff. We could :
a) Have 2 steps to be consistent with the internal insertion. First
step : image URL, second step : image options.
b) Ease the edit work and have all the settings in the same screen,
this is how I've presented it in the mockup.
+1 for b)
My votes :
1) +1
2) +1 for a)
3) +1
4) +1 for d) if possible
5) +1 for b)
Thanks,
JV.
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4:50 p.m.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Good point, since the user can break the ratio with the image resizing
builtin feature we need to display both width and height, I've
modified the mockup with Sergiu's suggestion :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
2) Image size
option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
-0 since the user can resize the image, once it is inserted, without
keeping the width/height ratio. What will happen when he edits the
image? What ratio would be protected? The one before the resize or the
one after the resize? 
10:54 a.m.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Hi XWikiers,
I've made mockups for the WYSIWYG Image dialogs, you can see them at :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HImage
Votes for internal image insertion :
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
I don't like the text "up to 320 pixels wide". What does "up to"
mean?
It suggests a range, but it means exactly 320.
We could rely on the browser's image resizing
feature for this and
drop this setting. I'm in favor of keeping it (see my votes below)
since it allow to keep size consistency between multiple images
(screenshots for example) in the same page.
Also, IE and FF have this resizing feature but we can't assume that
it'll be the same for all the browsers we will target in the future.
+1 for keeping the setting, since drag'n'drop resizing is very
approximative, so if I want a bunch of 320px wide photos, I'd spend a
lot of time to get almost equal photos.
2) Image size option
---------------------------
a) Allow to edit only the image width (guarantee that the image
width/height ratio won't be affected by the resize).
b) Allow to edit both image width and height.
Both; I like the way GIMP does it, there's a link (as in chain, not as
in hyperlink) between the two dimensions, which keeps the two dimensions
proportional, so if I edit the height, the width will be updated to
preserve the same aspect ration. If I click that link (unchain it), I
can edit each dimension independently.
3) Text flow
---------------
I think it's a must have but since it'll rely on a touchy parameter I
prefer that we vote for it.
Generated wiki syntax example : [[image:awsome.jpg||style="float:right"]]
+1.
Notes :
- for the moment using this will cause issues with titles, see :
http://www.jean-vincent.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Image
That's a skin bug, not a functionality problem.
- I'm not sure that we'll be able to combine
position center + text flow.
As you did in screenshot "External image", when position is Center,
disable "wrap".
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
+1 for a) (the first or the second).
Votes for external image insertion :
5) Number of wizard steps
-----------------------------------
Like for the link insertion dialogs we have a major difference between
internal and external stuff. We could :
a) Have 2 steps to be consistent with the internal insertion. First
step : image URL, second step : image options.
b) Ease the edit work and have all the settings in the same screen,
this is how I've presented it in the mockup.
+1 for b)
Other comments:
As with the link wizard, when uploading a new image, why return to step
1 and not 2?
When selecting a file, do we make sure only images are listed? When
uploading a new file, do we check if it has an accepted image extension,
or do we accept all files?
In the "breadcrumb" on the second step, what happens when the text is
too long? Implementers, make sure you test this.
In the Uploading... interface, I get bored if I must wait for the image
to upload while not being able to do anything else. Can't this process
be sent to the background somehow?
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
5:12 p.m.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
What I had in mind is something we see in thumbnails, we make the
image fit in a 320x320px square, if the height of the image is bigger
than its width then the width will be 320px, but it'll be inferior
otherwise.
I think it's the only way to guaranty that the image will be "Small",
if we just set the width to 320px then a 320x2000px image won't be
small.
WDYT ?
Yep, that's why I did it that way :)
The first or the second ? did you meant b) here ?
I've updated this mockup too.
1) Image size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
I don't like the text "up to 320 pixels wide". What does "up to"
mean?
It suggests a range, but it means exactly 320. - I'm not sure that we'll be able to
combine position center + text flow.
As you did in screenshot "External image", when position is Center,
disable "wrap".
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
+1 for a) (the first or the second). Votes for external image insertion :
As with the link wizard, when uploading a new image, why return to step
1 and not 2?
When selecting a file, do we make sure only images are
listed? When
uploading a new file, do we check if it has an accepted image extension,
or do we accept all files?
IMO: display images only. validate filetype before upload.
In the "breadcrumb" on the second step, what
happens when the text is
too long? Implementers, make sure you test this.
IMO: overflow hidden + text-align right.
JV.
8:15 p.m.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
The first or the second ? did you meant b) here ?
Yes, b), but if you look carefully, you might notice there is no b) in
the text.
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu
<sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
What I had in mind is something we see in thumbnails, we make the
image fit in a 320x320px square, if the height of the image is bigger
than its width then the width will be 320px, but it'll be inferior
otherwise.
I guess you meant it the other way around.
1) Image
size
------------------
In the mockup you can see a dropdown allowing to set some predefined
sizes to the image (inspired by google docs).
I don't like the text "up
to 320 pixels wide". What does "up to" mean?
It suggests a range, but it means exactly 320. I think it's the only way to guaranty that the
image will be "Small",
if we just set the width to 320px then a 320x2000px image won't be
small.
WDYT ?
Yes, this looks good. It will take a bit longer, since the image has to
be loaded and its dimensions computed in order to decide which is
larger, the width or the height.
But I still don't like the text. Can't we find a better one?
4) Preview
--------------
I've put an image preview in the mockup, we've multiple choices:
a) Drop it since it makes the dialog heavy.
a) Keep it stupid simple, the image is represented by a placeholder
and the 6 possible states are "prerecorded" (could be images).
d) Make it an advanced preview, the image is the selected image, the
preview takes the size of the image into account (by calculating what
the selected size would look like compared to the page content in a
predefined resolution, like 1024x768).
+1 for a) (the first or the second).
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