Vincent Massol wrote:

Hi,

I'm implementing semantic properties in XWiki Syntax 2.0 http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3320

I've done the wikimodel part and I'm now wondering how what XHTML we should generate in the XHTML renderer (and thus what XHTML should the wysiwyg handle).

Here's an example input:

%%property1 ((( %%property2 **value2** %%property3 value3 )))

Right now one solution I've found is to serialize the property content in xwiki syntax 2.0 and output it as a comment in the XHTML renderer:

<!--startproperty %%property1 ((( %%property2 **value2** %%property3 value3 )))--><!--stopproperty-->

(note: we could have <!--property--> instead of start/stopproperty, that's a detail)

Then the XHTML parser would use the xwiki syntax 2.0 parser on the content of the comment to generate events.

Since it's not very trivial to serialize to xwiki syntax in the XHTML renderer I'd like to know what you think or if you have a better idea. I guess we could also do something like:

<div class="'xwiki-semantic property1"> <div class="xwiki-semantic property2> <p> <strong>value2</strong> </p> </div> <div class="xwiki-semantic property3"> <p> value3 </p> </div> </div>

Note: we would use span for inline semantic properties instead of divs.

And then have a CSS with display:none for ".xwiki-semantic"

The advantage of this latter solution are: * Easier to implement for the XHTML renderer and XHTML parser * Is in line with HCARD if we want to support it (and we probably do), see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3320?focusedCommentId=39554&page=com...

WDYT?

Very in favor of the hidden div version. It will make it much more easier to write a "semantic properties viewer" in javascript than if it's in HTML comments. Why not use the "rel" attribute to hold the relation ? <div class="'xwiki-semantic" rel="property1"> // ... etc </div> (I don't like having it has "the classname that is not 'xwiki-semantic'"). Or maybe double it with "rel" if the class is needed by hcard. Jerome.

Thanks -Vincent

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Vincent Massol wrote:

Hi,

I'm implementing semantic properties in XWiki Syntax 2.0 http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3320

I've done the wikimodel part and I'm now wondering how what XHTML we should generate in the XHTML renderer (and thus what XHTML should the wysiwyg handle).

Here's an example input:

%%property1 ((( %%property2 **value2** %%property3 value3 )))

Right now one solution I've found is to serialize the property content in xwiki syntax 2.0 and output it as a comment in the XHTML renderer:

<!--startproperty %%property1 ((( %%property2 **value2** %%property3 value3 )))--><!--stopproperty-->

(note: we could have <!--property--> instead of start/stopproperty, that's a detail)

Then the XHTML parser would use the xwiki syntax 2.0 parser on the content of the comment to generate events.

Since it's not very trivial to serialize to xwiki syntax in the XHTML renderer I'd like to know what you think or if you have a better idea. I guess we could also do something like:

<div class="'xwiki-semantic property1"> <div class="xwiki-semantic property2> <p> <strong>value2</strong> </p> </div> <div class="xwiki-semantic property3"> <p> value3 </p> </div> </div>

Note: we would use span for inline semantic properties instead of divs.

And then have a CSS with display:none for ".xwiki-semantic"

The advantage of this latter solution are: * Easier to implement for the XHTML renderer and XHTML parser * Is in line with HCARD if we want to support it (and we probably do), see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3320?focusedCommentId=39554&page=com...

WDYT?

It's hard to do proper semantics like this, since microformats imply other elements than divs (for example links with rel, or abbr with title). Another aspect I don't like is that there are so many HTML elements. Why is there a p and a strong? Anyway, +1 for HTML. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

Hi Vincent, Vincent Massol wrote:

Hi,

I'm implementing semantic properties in XWiki Syntax 2.0 http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3320

I've done the wikimodel part and I'm now wondering how what XHTML we should generate in the XHTML renderer (and thus what XHTML should the wysiwyg handle).

Here's an example input:

%%property1 ((( %%property2 **value2** %%property3 value3 )))

Questions: * Who is the subject of the property? Is it the host document? Is it a document fragment? * Is the position of the property inside the host document important? If it's not important then why should we merge the content of the document with its semantic properties. If the position is important then the subject it's not the document but the context (document fragment) in which the semantic property appears. * Are the semantic properties visible? Below you imply they are hidden, but what about the in-line properties? I am living in %liveIn(Paris). IMO the best way to add meta data inside the content of an HTML document is to use attributes (custom if necessary). Using anything else, like comments or elements, raises the complexity of the WYSIWYG editing because the meta data are part of the content flow and can be corrupted or deleted unintentionally. To prevent this they need to be protected using read-only *visible* areas which makes the on-the-fly editing hard (the user has to double click on "Paris" to edit).

Right now one solution I've found is to serialize the property content in xwiki syntax 2.0 and output it as a comment in the XHTML renderer:

<!--startproperty %%property1 ((( %%property2 **value2** %%property3 value3 )))--><!--stopproperty-->

(note: we could have <!--property--> instead of start/stopproperty, that's a detail)

Then the XHTML parser would use the xwiki syntax 2.0 parser on the content of the comment to generate events.

Since it's not very trivial to serialize to xwiki syntax in the XHTML renderer I'd like to know what you think or if you have a better idea. I guess we could also do something like:

<div class="'xwiki-semantic property1"> <div class="xwiki-semantic property2> <p> <strong>value2</strong> </p> </div> <div class="xwiki-semantic property3"> <p> value3 </p> </div> </div>

Both ways would require, I think, the same amount of work to make the semantic properties visible and read-only in WYSIWYG mode, using the same technique used for macros. Thanks, Marius

Note: we would use span for inline semantic properties instead of divs.

And then have a CSS with display:none for ".xwiki-semantic"

The advantage of this latter solution are: * Easier to implement for the XHTML renderer and XHTML parser * Is in line with HCARD if we want to support it (and we probably do), see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3320?focusedCommentId=39554&page=com...

WDYT?

Thanks -Vincent

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