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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)

6 Oct 2017 6 Oct '17

4:55 p.m.

Hi devs, This mail is about: A. Dropping support for IE10 B. Dropping support for IE11 C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge --- If you read our Browser Support Strategy ( http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy ) we are still supporting Internet Explorer 10. We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests for IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 ( http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=qa&p=1&l=1… ). On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the default web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015). Internet Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but is deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed. Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge". We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep Microsoft Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser. Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki. --- In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have: - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer -- IE11: 91.50% -- IE10: 2.80% - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions) In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for desktops, we have: - 8.21% IE - 4.3% Edge Usage example for August 2017: - 7.1% for IE11 - 2.26% for Edge 15 - 1.37% for Edge 14 - 0.2% for Edge 13 --- So my votes are: A. Dropping support for IE10 +1 B. Dropping support for IE11 -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types. C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows Thanks, Caty

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Thomas Mortagne

6 Oct 6 Oct

5:09 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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A. +0 B. -1 would not make sense given its market share compared to Edge C. +1 since supporting the current default browser on Windows is the least we can do -- Thomas Mortagne

Marius Dumitru Florea

9:56 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Same as Thomas. Thanks, Marius On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

are still supporting Internet Explorer 10. We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests for IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 ( http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=

qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10

). On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the default web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015). Internet Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but

deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed. Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge". We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep

Microsoft

Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser. Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki. --- In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have: - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer -- IE11: 91.50% -- IE10: 2.80% - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions) In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for

desktops, we

have: - 8.21% IE - 4.3% Edge Usage example for August 2017: - 7.1% for IE11 - 2.26% for Edge 15 - 1.37% for Edge 14 - 0.2% for Edge 13 --- So my votes are: A. Dropping support for IE10 +1 B. Dropping support for IE11 -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types. C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows Thanks, Caty

A. +0 B. -1 would not make sense given its market share compared to Edge C. +1 since supporting the current default browser on Windows is the least we can do -- Thomas Mortagne

Vincent Massol

9 Oct 9 Oct

1:52 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Hi Caty,

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On 6 Oct 2017, at 16:55, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi devs, This mail is about: A. Dropping support for IE10 B. Dropping support for IE11 C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge --- If you read our Browser Support Strategy ( http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy ) we are still supporting Internet Explorer 10. We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests for IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 ( http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=qa&p=1&l=1… ). On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the default web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015). Internet Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but is deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed. Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge". We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep Microsoft Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser. Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki. --- In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have: - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer -- IE11: 91.50% -- IE10: 2.80% - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions) In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for desktops, we have: - 8.21% IE - 4.3% Edge Usage example for August 2017: - 7.1% for IE11 - 2.26% for Edge 15 - 1.37% for Edge 14 - 0.2% for Edge 13 --- So my votes are: A. Dropping support for IE10 +1 B. Dropping support for IE11 -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types. C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows

We also have limited manpower and we need to limit the # of versions we support. However because of the large marketshare of IE11it wouldn’t be good to drop its support FTM IMO. So I think we should try to support both Edge + IE11 and see how complex it is. If too complex we can think of dropping IE11 or delaying support for Edge. So, I’m: A +1 B -1 for now C +1 Thanks -Vincent

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Thanks, Caty

Sergiu Dumitriu

4:39 p.m.

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Same as Vincent. On 10/09/2017 07:52 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:

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Hi Caty,

Thanks, Caty

-- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

Manuel Smeria

19 Oct 19 Oct

1:32 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Hello all, Here are my votes: A. +1 B. -1 C. +1 Thanks, Manuel On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.org> wrote:

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Same as Vincent. On 10/09/2017 07:52 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:

Hi Caty, > On 6 Oct 2017, at 16:55, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > Hi devs, > > This mail is about: > A. Dropping support for IE10 > B. Dropping support for IE11 > C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge > > --- > > If you read our Browser Support Strategy ( > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy )

> are still supporting Internet Explorer 10. > > We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform > full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests

for

> IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 ( > http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=

qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10

> ). > > On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the

default

> web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015).

Internet

> Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but

> deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed. > > Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE > browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the > vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge". > > We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep

Microsoft

> Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser. > Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I > could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki. > > --- > > In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have: > - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer > -- IE11: 91.50% > -- IE10: 2.80% > - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions) > > In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to > http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for

desktops, we

We also have limited manpower and we need to limit the # of versions we

support. However because of the large marketshare of IE11it wouldn’t be good to drop its support FTM IMO.

So I think we should try to support both Edge + IE11 and see how complex

it is. If too complex we can think of dropping IE11 or delaying support for Edge.

So, I’m: A +1 B -1 for now C +1 Thanks -Vincent

Thanks, Caty

-- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)

1:38 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Thanks everyone for your responses. We have: A. +1, +0, +0, +1, +1, +1 = 4 x (+1) B. -0, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1 = 5 x (-1) C. +1, +1, +1, +1, +1, +1 = 6 x (+1) So we will: A. Drop the support for IE10 B. Keep the support for IE11 C. Add the support for Microsoft Edge I will update the Support page. Thanks for your votes, Caty On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Manuel Smeria <manuel(a)xwiki.com> wrote:

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Hello all, Here are my votes: A. +1 B. -1 C. +1 Thanks, Manuel On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.org> wrote:

Same as Vincent. On 10/09/2017 07:52 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:

Hi Caty, > On 6 Oct 2017, at 16:55, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com

wrote: >> >> Hi devs, >> >> This mail is about: >> A. Dropping support for IE10 >> B. Dropping support for IE11 >> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge >> >> --- >> >> If you read our Browser Support Strategy ( >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy

)

we >> are still supporting Internet Explorer 10. >> >> We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't

perform

> full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests

for

> IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 ( > http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=

qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10

> ). > > On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the

default

> web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015).

Internet >> Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes,

but

is >> deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed. >> >> Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE >> browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case

the

> vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge". > > We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep

Microsoft >> Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser. >> Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft

Edge. I

>> could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test

wiki.

>> >> --- >> >> In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have: >> - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer >> -- IE11: 91.50% >> -- IE10: 2.80% >> - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions) >> >> In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according

> http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for

desktops, we >> have: >> - 8.21% IE >> - 4.3% Edge >> >> Usage example for August 2017: >> - 7.1% for IE11 >> - 2.26% for Edge 15 >> - 1.37% for Edge 14 >> - 0.2% for Edge 13 >> >> --- >> >> So my votes are: >> A. Dropping support for IE10 >> +1 >> >> B. Dropping support for IE11 >> -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't >> think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types. >> >> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge >> +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows > > We also have limited manpower and we need to limit the # of versions

support. However because of the large marketshare of IE11it wouldn’t be good to drop its support FTM IMO. > > So I think we should try to support both Edge + IE11 and see how

complex

it is. If too complex we can think of dropping IE11 or delaying support

for

Edge.

So, I’m: A +1 B -1 for now C +1 Thanks -Vincent

Thanks, Caty

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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
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Thomas Mortagne
Vincent Massol