17 Sep
2008
17 Sep
'08
10:30 a.m.
Hi,
I've updated this page http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and XWiki Syntax 2.0.
I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their descriptions
of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be fully
compatible with some element syntaxes.
1) New lines
Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have this). I
just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
2) Horizontal lines
We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However if
you try it on their test page at http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
if works fine with more than 4 dashes too.
3) Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax 1.0:
i. item1
i. item2
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
for more examples.
I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
(note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
to discuss it with Mikhail).
4) Images
There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
linline links. For example:
This is an image:my.png image.
As you can see the image is specified as a URI.
Ok with everyone?
Thanks
-Vincent
17 Sep
17 Sep
10:31 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
I forgot to mention:
Please all review http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
and raise any issue you may have.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Sep 17, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
I've updated this page http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and XWiki Syntax 2.0.
I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their
descriptions of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to
ensure to be fully compatible with some element syntaxes.
1) New lines
Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have this).
I just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
2) Horizontal lines
We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However
if you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
if works fine with more than 4 dashes too.
3) Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax
1.0:
i. item1
i. item2
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
for more examples.
I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
(note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
to discuss it with Mikhail).
4) Images
There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
linline links. For example:
This is an image:my.png image.
As you can see the image is specified as a URI.
Ok with everyone?
Thanks
-Vincent
10:46 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi,
I've updated this page http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and XWiki Syntax 2.0.
I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their descriptions
of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be fully
compatible with some element syntaxes.
1) New lines
Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have this). I
just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
2) Horizontal lines
We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However if
you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
if works fine with more than 4 dashes too.
3) Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
I prefer this one but...
Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax 1.0:
i. item1
i. item2
I think this is the best for user.
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
for more examples.
I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
(note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
to discuss it with Mikhail).
What about support both ? Given the fact that support the version with
parameter is not a lot of work anyway if we decide to support the
second.
4) Images
There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
linline links. For example:
This is an image:my.png image.
As you can see the image is specified as a URI.
Ok with everyone?
Thanks
-Vincent
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19 Sep
19 Sep
5:40 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
Hi,
[snip]
> > 3) Special numbered lists
> > > Is it ok to have this syntax:
> > > (% class="roman" %)
> > 1. item1
> > 1. item2
> I prefer this one but...
If we use this syntax no user will ever use a roman list.
> Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax 1.0:
> > > i. item1
> > i. item2
> I think this is the best for user.
+1 if we want users to actually use this feature.
> > See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
> > for more examples.
> > > I have the feeling it would be better
to use our 1.0 syntax for this
> > (note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
> > to discuss it with Mikhail).
> What about support both ? Given the fact
that support the version with
> parameter is not a lot of work anyway if we decide to support the
> second.
+1 if it's easy to do
> > 4) Images
> > > There's currently no special
support for images in wikimodel. The
> > solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
> > linline links. For example:
> > > This is an image:my.png image.
> > > As you can see the image is specified
as a URI.
> > > Ok with everyone?
The current macro image gets people confused (among "people" I count myself
-> I hardly ever used the parameters available in the macro image). Here
again, if we use the "% %" model we need to be aware that most users won't
ever input parameters to their images, unless they use the WYSIWYG editor.
Since we expect it to work great, that's fine with me, but I simply want us
to be aware that doing this we make the XWiki syntax at least as complex as
HTML, which basically removes its interest as a simplified markup.
> [snip]
Guillaume
--
Guillaume Lerouge
Product Manager - XWiki
Skype ID : wikibc
http://blog.xwiki.com/
5:49 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Sep 19, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
[snip]
>> 3) Special numbered lists
> >> Is it ok to have this syntax:
> >> (% class="roman" %)
>> 1. item1
>> 1. item2
> I prefer this one but...
If we use this syntax no user will ever use a roman list.
> Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax
> 1.0:
> >> i. item1
>> i. item2
> I think this is the best for user.
+1 if we want users to actually use this feature.
>> See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
>> for more examples.
> >> I have the feeling it would be
better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
>> (note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
>> to discuss it with Mikhail).
> What about support both ? Given the
fact that support the version
> with
> parameter is not a lot of work anyway if we decide to support the
> second.
+1 if it's easy to do
>> 4) Images
> >> There's currently no
special support for images in wikimodel. The
>> solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
>> linline links. For example:
> >> This is an image:my.png
image.
> >> As you can see the image is
specified as a URI.
> >> Ok with everyone?
The current macro image gets people confused (among "people" I count
myself
-> I hardly ever used the parameters available in the macro image).
Here
again, if we use the "% %" model we need to be aware that most users
won't
ever input parameters to their images, unless they use the WYSIWYG
editor.
Since we expect it to work great, that's fine with me, but I simply
want us
to be aware that doing this we make the XWiki syntax at least as
complex as
HTML, which basically removes its interest as a simplified markup.
And this is good! Wiki markup should focus on simple things. If it
were easy people would put colors and styles everywhere which is bad.
It's good that's it's not easy.
It's just an extension since we MUST have it for the wysiwyg to work
and be able to style documents without incurring the penalty of using
the {{html}} macro which would provide visual garbage in wiki edition
mode.
Thanks
-Vincent
6:08 p.m.
Vincent Massol wrote:
On Sep 19, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
+1, people should learn that "the content is king", providing good
content is much more important than coloring it nicely. If it is not
simple to do, then don't do it, unless you really have to.
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
The current macro image gets people confused
(among "people" I count
myself
-> I hardly ever used the parameters available in the macro image).
Here
again, if we use the "% %" model we need to be aware that most users
won't
ever input parameters to their images, unless they use the WYSIWYG
editor.
Since we expect it to work great, that's fine with me, but I simply
want us
to be aware that doing this we make the XWiki syntax at least as
complex as
HTML, which basically removes its interest as a simplified markup.
And this is good! Wiki markup should focus on simple things. If it
were easy people would put colors and styles everywhere which is bad.
It's good that's it's not easy.
It's just an extension since we MUST have it for the wysiwyg to work
and be able to style documents without incurring the penalty of using
the {{html}} macro which would provide visual garbage in wiki edition
mode.
6:24 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Vincent Massol wrote:
-1, we shouldn't decide what users want to do instead of them :-)
What if I came and told you that you're using your IDE the wrong way and
that from now on it's gonna be hard to do "Find & Replace" because
people
*should* name their variables correctly in the first place ?
Guillaume
On Sep 19, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
wrote:
+1, people should learn that "the content is king", providing good
content is much more important than coloring it nicely. If it is not
simple to do, then don't do it, unless you really have to. The current macro image gets people confused
(among "people" I count
myself
-> I hardly ever used the parameters available in the macro image).
Here
again, if we use the "% %" model we need to be aware that most users
won't
ever input parameters to their images, unless they use the WYSIWYG
editor.
Since we expect it to work great, that's fine with me, but I simply
want us
to be aware that doing this we make the XWiki syntax at least as
complex as
HTML, which basically removes its interest as a simplified markup.
And this is good! Wiki markup should focus on simple things. If it
were easy people would put colors and styles everywhere which is bad.
It's good that's it's not easy.
It's just an extension since we MUST have it for the wysiwyg to work
and be able to style documents without incurring the penalty of using
the {{html}} macro which would provide visual garbage in wiki edition
mode.
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
_______________________________________________
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devs(a)xwiki.org
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--
Guillaume Lerouge
Product Manager - XWiki
Skype ID : wikibc
http://blog.xwiki.com/
6:30 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu
<sergiu(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
ok let's take the problem differently then...
What do you suggest?
Thanks
-Vincent
Vincent Massol wrote:
-1, we shouldn't decide what users want to do instead of them :-) On Sep 19, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
wrote:
+1, people should learn that "the content is king", providing good
content is much more important than coloring it nicely. If it is not
simple to do, then don't do it, unless you really have to. The current macro image gets people confused
(among "people" I
count
myself
-> I hardly ever used the parameters available in the macro image).
Here
again, if we use the "% %" model we need to be aware that most
users
won't
ever input parameters to their images, unless they use the WYSIWYG
editor.
Since we expect it to work great, that's fine with me, but I simply
want us
to be aware that doing this we make the XWiki syntax at least as
complex as
HTML, which basically removes its interest as a simplified markup.
And this is good! Wiki markup should focus on simple things. If it
were easy people would put colors and styles everywhere which is
bad.
It's good that's it's not easy.
It's just an extension since we MUST have it for the wysiwyg to work
and be able to style documents without incurring the penalty of
using
the {{html}} macro which would provide visual garbage in wiki
edition
mode.
What if I came and told you that you're using your
IDE the wrong way
and
that from now on it's gonna be hard to do "Find & Replace" because
people
*should* name their variables correctly in the first place ?
Guillaume
6:38 p.m.
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu
<sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
In that case, Guillaume, there wouldn't actually be a problem, as for
renaming variables most of us use a refactoring feature... You really
*shouldn't* use find & replace for that...
Anyway, I don't like the analogy, as we're not telling users not to do
something, we're encouraging them to do it the right way. Just like
maven does.
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
Vincent Massol wrote:
-1, we shouldn't decide what users want to do instead of them :-)
What if I came and told you that you're using your IDE the wrong way and
that from now on it's gonna be hard to do "Find & Replace" because
people
*should* name their variables correctly in the first place ?
On Sep 19, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
wrote:
+1, people should learn that "the content is king", providing good
content is much more important than coloring it nicely. If it is not
simple to do, then don't do it, unless you really have to. The current macro image gets people confused
(among "people" I count
myself
-> I hardly ever used the parameters available in the macro image).
Here
again, if we use the "% %" model we need to be aware that most users
won't
ever input parameters to their images, unless they use the WYSIWYG
editor.
Since we expect it to work great, that's fine with me, but I simply
want us
to be aware that doing this we make the XWiki syntax at least as
complex as
HTML, which basically removes its interest as a simplified markup.
And this is
good! Wiki markup should focus on simple things. If it
were easy people would put colors and styles everywhere which is bad.
It's good that's it's not easy.
It's just an extension since we MUST have it for the wysiwyg to work
and be able to style documents without incurring the penalty of using
the {{html}} macro which would provide visual garbage in wiki edition
mode.
5:49 p.m.
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
[snip]
If we use this syntax no user will ever use a roman list.
But users should not do this manually. It will be generated by the
wysiwyg, so I don't see a severe problem.
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
3)
Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
I prefer this one but... Or do we introduce new syntax elements as
it's done in XWiki Syntax 1.0:
+1 if we want users to actually use this feature.
i. item1
i. item2
I think this is the best for user.
6:12 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Well, what's the point of having a wiki syntax that is different from HTML
if we do not expect users to use it ?
Guillaume
Hi,
[snip]
If we use this syntax no user will ever use a roman list.
But users should not do this manually. It will be generated by the
wysiwyg, so I don't see a severe problem. 3)
Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
I prefer this one but... Or do we introduce new syntax elements as
it's done in XWiki Syntax 1.0:
+1 if we want users to actually use this feature.
i. item1
i. item2
I think this is the best for user.
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
_______________________________________________
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devs(a)xwiki.org
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--
Guillaume Lerouge
Product Manager - XWiki
Skype ID : wikibc
http://blog.xwiki.com/
17 Sep
17 Sep
1 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi,
I've updated this page http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and XWiki Syntax 2.0.
I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their descriptions
of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be fully
compatible with some element syntaxes.
1) New lines
Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have this). I
just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
2) Horizontal lines
We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However if
you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
if works fine with more than 4 dashes too.
3) Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax 1.0:
i. item1
i. item2
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
for more examples.
I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
(note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
to discuss it with Mikhail).
4) Images
There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
linline links. For example:
This is an image:my.png image.
Seems too basic... What about defining width, height, etc. ?
As you can see the image is specified as a URI.
Ok with everyone?
Thanks
-Vincent
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1:02 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
This would be done in the same way as you'd do it for any text
element, using (% ... %).
Note that right now this is not supported in wikimodel inside
paragraph but Mikhail has agreed to support it in the future in
wikimodel.
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi,
I've updated this page http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and XWiki Syntax 2.0.
I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their
descriptions
of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be
fully
compatible with some element syntaxes.
1) New lines
Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have
this). I
just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
2) Horizontal lines
We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However
if
you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
if works fine with more than 4 dashes too.
3) Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax
1.0:
i. item1
i. item2
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
for more examples.
I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
(note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
to discuss it with Mikhail).
4) Images
There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
linline links. For example:
This is an image:my.png image.
Seems too basic... What about defining width, height, etc. ? > As you can see the image is specified as a URI.
>
> Ok with everyone?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
1:08 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
This would be done in the same way as you'd do it for any text
element, using (% ... %).
Note that right now this is not supported in wikimodel inside
paragraph but Mikhail has agreed to support it in the future in
wikimodel.
+1 for image:my.png style with (% .. %) for customizing.
Thanks.
- Asiri
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've updated this page
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
> which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and
XWiki Syntax 2.0.
>
> I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
> especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
>
> One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
> not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their
> descriptions
> of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be
> fully
> compatible with some element syntaxes.
>
> 1) New lines
>
> Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have
> this). I
> just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
>
> 2) Horizontal lines
>
> We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However
> if
> you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
if works
fine with more than 4 dashes too.
3) Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax
1.0:
i. item1
i. item2
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
for more examples.
I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
(note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
to discuss it with Mikhail).
4) Images
There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
linline links. For example:
This is an image:my.png image.
Seems too basic... What about defining width, height, etc. ?
Thanks
-Vincent
> As you can see the image is specified as a
URI.
>
> Ok with everyone?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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1:13 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Asiri Rathnayake
<asiri.rathnayake(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
+1 too, using (% %) is ok for me
On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
This would be done in the same way as you'd do it for any text
element, using (% ... %).
Note that right now this is not supported in wikimodel inside
paragraph but Mikhail has agreed to support it in the future in
wikimodel.
+1 for image:my.png style with (% .. %) for customizing.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've updated this page
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
> which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and
XWiki Syntax 2.0.
>
> I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
> especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
>
> One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
> not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their
> descriptions
> of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be
> fully
> compatible with some element syntaxes.
>
> 1) New lines
>
> Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have
> this). I
> just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
>
> 2) Horizontal lines
>
> We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However
> if
> you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
if works
fine with more than 4 dashes too.
3) Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax
1.0:
i. item1
i. item2
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
for more examples.
I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
(note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
to discuss it with Mikhail).
4) Images
There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
linline links. For example:
This is an image:my.png image.
Seems too basic... What about defining width, height, etc. ? Thanks.
- Asiri
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Thanks
-Vincent
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> As you can see the image is specified as a
URI.
>
> Ok with everyone?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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Thomas Mortagne wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Asiri Rathnayake
<asiri.rathnayake(a)gmail.com> wrote:
+1 too
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
+1 too, using (% %) is ok for me On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Thomas Mortagne
wrote:
+1 for image:my.png style with (% .. %) for customizing.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've updated this page
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
> which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and
XWiki Syntax 2.0.
>
> I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
> especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
>
> One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
> not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their
> descriptions
> of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be
> fully
> compatible with some element syntaxes.
>
> 1) New lines
>
> Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have
> this). I
> just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
>
> 2) Horizontal lines
>
> We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However
> if
> you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
> if works fine with more than 4 dashes too.
>
> 3) Special numbered lists
>
> Is it ok to have this syntax:
>
> (% class="roman" %)
> 1. item1
> 1. item2
>
> Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax
> 1.0:
>
> i. item1
> i. item2
>
> See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
> for more examples.
>
> I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
> (note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
> to discuss it with Mikhail).
>
> 4) Images
>
> There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
> solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
> linline links. For example:
>
> This is an image:my.png image.
Seems too basic... What about defining width, height, etc. ?
This would be done in
the same way as you'd do it for any text
element, using (% ... %).
Note that right now this is not supported in wikimodel inside
paragraph but Mikhail has agreed to support it in the future in
wikimodel.
Thanks.
- Asiri
Thanks
-Vincent
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> As you can see the image is specified as a
URI.
>
> Ok with everyone?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Sep 17, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
I've updated this page http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and XWiki Syntax 2.0.
I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their descriptions
of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be fully
compatible with some element syntaxes.
1) New lines
Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have this). I
just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
2) Horizontal lines
We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However if
you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
if works fine with more than 4 dashes too.
3) Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax
1.0:
i. item1
i. item2
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
for more examples.
I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
(note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
to discuss it with Mikhail).
4) Images
There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
linline links. For example:
This is an image:my.png image.
If we're ok to use the uri notationI'm proposing to use the same
syntax we've started discussing for image links.
image:subwiki:Space.Page^imagename
Note that ^ is temporary since we haven't fully decided yet what
symbol to use. I'll reopen the discussion for that.
thanks
-Vincent
As you can see the image is specified as a URI.
Ok with everyone?
Thanks
-Vincent
19 Sep
19 Sep
4:01 p.m.
Vincent Massol wrote:
> I've updated this page
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
> which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and XWiki Syntax 2.0.
>
> I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
> especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
>
> One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
> not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their descriptions
> of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be fully
> compatible with some element syntaxes.
>
> 1) New lines
>
> Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have this). I
> just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
>
> 2) Horizontal lines
>
> We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However if
> you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
> if works fine with more than 4 dashes too.
>
> 3) Special numbered lists
>
> Is it ok to have this syntax:
>
> (% class="roman" %)
> 1. item1
> 1. item2
>
> Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's done in XWiki Syntax
> 1.0:
>
> i. item1
> i. item2
>
> See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
> for more examples.
>
> I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
> (note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
> to discuss it with Mikhail).
+1 to support both.
+0 to only 1. with (% %)
> 4) Images
>
> There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
> solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
> linline links. For example:
>
> This is an image:my.png image.
+1.
Even prefix is not good for I18N, I don't see other acceptable ways in
http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/ImagesReasoning.
If we're ok to use the uri notationI'm
proposing to use the same
syntax we've started discussing for image links.
image:subwiki:Space.Page^imagename
Note that ^ is temporary since we haven't fully decided yet what
symbol to use. I'll reopen the discussion for that.
+1
--
Artem Melentyev
17 Sep
17 Sep
1:06 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Final syntax decisions and remaining issues
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi,
I've updated this page
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
which describes both XWiki syntax 1.0 and XWiki Syntax 2.0.
I want to make sure we agree with the following syntax decisions and
especially with regards to Creole since we want to be close to it.
One disclaimer though: the creole specification is badly done and is
not strict enough. There are lots of ambiguities in their descriptions
of the syntax elements so it's almost impossible to ensure to be fully
compatible with some element syntaxes.
1) New lines
Right now we honor new lines (we've all already voted to have this). I
just wanted to point out that this is different from Creole.
2) Horizontal lines
We accept 4 or more dashes. Creole says it's 4 dashes only. However if
you try it on their test page at
http://www.wikicreole.org/EditX.jsp?page=JSPWikiTestCases
if works fine with more than 4 dashes too.
3) Special numbered lists
Is it ok to have this syntax:
(% class="roman" %)
1. item1
1. item2
Or do we introduce new syntax elements as it's
done in XWiki Syntax 1.0:
i. item1
i. item2
I think the first approach is more extensible, but bit confusing for the
user at the first sight.
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20#HLists
for more examples.
I have the feeling it would be better to use our 1.0 syntax for this
(note that this requires some heavy changes to wikimodel - Will need
to discuss it with Mikhail).
4) Images
There's currently no special support for images in wikimodel. The
solution wikimodel proposes is to implement its support through
linline links. For example:
This is an image:my.png image.
As you can see the image is specified as a URI.
Ok with everyone?
Thanks
-Vincent
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