[xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Use SmartGWT for WYSIWYG widgets and SmartClient for JS needs - xwiki-devs@xwiki.org

Thomas Mortagne

2 Dec 2 Dec

8:40 p.m.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:

Hi, I'd like to propose using smartGWT/smartClient for all our widget needs both in GWT and in JS: * Their set is pretty impressive and has all we need. * It's under LGPL * Sanjiv has moved from Ext GWT to SmartGWT and since he's had a bad history with Ext GWT we can assume he has received enough reassurance from smartClient to remain open source and under the LGPL license. * It's both GWT and JS and we need both * The little of the source I have seen look very clean. Some links: * http://www.jroller.com/sjivan/entry/smartgwt_1_0_released * http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ * http://www.ongwt.com/post/2008/11/27/SmartGWT-%3A-A- QampA-with-Sanjiv-Jivan2 * http://www.smartclient.com/product/smartLGPL.jsp Here's my +1 (barring any issue we see when we start using it of course)

+0 (it looks impressive but I never used GWT myself)

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Paul Libbrecht

10:02 p.m.

The little I look into it from a user perspective... it looks horribly windowsish... I find both Ext controls (at least as in Curriki) or GWT controls much less tainted. Among little difficulties, scroll-wheel (that is, MacBook's two-finger- trackpad) isn't working. Maybe I'm old fashion but I still don't understand what is the interest of providing the API documentation only using a doc-browser which prevents most self-organization one is used to (e.g. open in a new tab, bookmark, put in history). Both SmartClient and Ext do this mistake. (I've never seen a desktop javadoc reader which has really beaten the web-based ones) paul Le 02-déc.-08 à 19:02, Vincent Massol a écrit :

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Hi, I'd like to propose using smartGWT/smartClient for all our widget needs both in GWT and in JS: * Their set is pretty impressive and has all we need. * It's under LGPL * Sanjiv has moved from Ext GWT to SmartGWT and since he's had a bad history with Ext GWT we can assume he has received enough reassurance from smartClient to remain open source and under the LGPL license. * It's both GWT and JS and we need both * The little of the source I have seen look very clean. Some links: * http://www.jroller.com/sjivan/entry/smartgwt_1_0_released * http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ * http://www.ongwt.com/post/2008/11/27/SmartGWT-%3A-A- QampA-with-Sanjiv-Jivan2 * http://www.smartclient.com/product/smartLGPL.jsp Here's my +1 (barring any issue we see when we start using it of course) Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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ckendrick

12 Dec 12 Dec

12:34 a.m.

New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Use SmartGWT for WYSIWYG widgets and SmartClient for JS needs

Hi Guys, just chiming in from Isomorphic.. Scrollwheel wasn't working specifically in Safari (they only recently added events for this), but this is fixed as of the next beta, due out (we hope) this weekend. We are in the midst of adding new skins that are a close match to Outlook 2007. If you weren't aware, this is what Ext (and countless others) have been cloning: http://images.google.com/images?q=outlook%202007 We will soon post samples in this thread on our forums: http://forums.smartclient.com/showthread.php?t=3060 Cheers, Charles Jerome Velociter-2 wrote:

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Paul Libbrecht wrote:

The little I look into it from a user perspective... it looks horribly windowsish... I find both Ext controls (at least as in Curriki) or GWT controls much less tainted. Among little difficulties, scroll-wheel (that is, MacBook's two-finger-trackpad) isn't working.

Where ? I've got it right on many widgets Jerome.

Maybe I'm old fashion but I still don't understand what is the interest of providing the API documentation only using a doc-browser which prevents most self-organization one is used to (e.g. open in a new tab, bookmark, put in history). Both SmartClient and Ext do this mistake. (I've never seen a desktop javadoc reader which has really beaten the web-based ones) paul Le 02-déc.-08 à 19:02, Vincent Massol a écrit :

Hi, I'd like to propose using smartGWT/smartClient for all our widget needs both in GWT and in JS: * Their set is pretty impressive and has all we need. * It's under LGPL * Sanjiv has moved from Ext GWT to SmartGWT and since he's had a bad history with Ext GWT we can assume he has received enough reassurance from smartClient to remain open source and under the LGPL license. * It's both GWT and JS and we need both * The little of the source I have seen look very clean. Some links: * http://www.jroller.com/sjivan/entry/smartgwt_1_0_released * http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ * http://www.ongwt.com/post/2008/11/27/SmartGWT-%3A-A- QampA-with-Sanjiv-Jivan2 * http://www.smartclient.com/product/smartLGPL.jsp Here's my +1 (barring any issue we see when we start using it of course) Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Marius Dumitru Florea

2 Dec 2 Dec

10:18 p.m.

I'm +0 right now. There are some things that I have to check about SmartGWT widgets: * can I load only the widgets I use and not the whole library? * how much do they rely on GWT widget framework? * can I update to the latest GWT version without breaking them? * have they been written using deferred binding with browser specific code in different classes or do they wrap spaghetti JavaScript code? * are they easily customizable? * are their developers active on their forums/mailing lists? Thanks, Marius Vincent Massol wrote:

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Hi, I'd like to propose using smartGWT/smartClient for all our widget needs both in GWT and in JS: * Their set is pretty impressive and has all we need. * It's under LGPL * Sanjiv has moved from Ext GWT to SmartGWT and since he's had a bad history with Ext GWT we can assume he has received enough reassurance from smartClient to remain open source and under the LGPL license. * It's both GWT and JS and we need both * The little of the source I have seen look very clean. Some links: * http://www.jroller.com/sjivan/entry/smartgwt_1_0_released * http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ * http://www.ongwt.com/post/2008/11/27/SmartGWT-%3A-A- QampA-with-Sanjiv-Jivan2 * http://www.smartclient.com/product/smartLGPL.jsp Here's my +1 (barring any issue we see when we start using it of course) Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Paul Libbrecht

12 Dec 12 Dec

8:38 a.m.

New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Use SmartGWT for WYSIWYG widgets and SmartClient for JS needs

I guess that my problem is exactly that: a pan-galactic library to replace the browser. GWT 1.5 comes with elements' overlay and I think this is the right approach: let GWT programming be just the controller and not the view. Ideally much of the view could be even done on the server for better web-orientation. paul Le 02-déc.-08 à 22:35, Vincent Massol a écrit :

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One other point: if we don't use smartGWT which library will we use? I don't know many comprehensive widget libraries that: * are under a compatible license (Ext GWT/JS are not under a compatible license) * have both GWT and JS widgets * is comprehensive (i.e. we don't have various libraries, all having different look and feels)

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Vincent Massol

11:14 a.m.

New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Use SmartGWT for WYSIWYG widgets and SmartClient for JS needs

Thanks a lot Charles for your help. This is great. I was introduced to Sanjiv by Didier Girard (ongwt.com) a few days ago and you guys are doing a terrific job. -Vincent On Dec 12, 2008, at 12:47 AM, ckendrick wrote:

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Hi Guys, Chiming in from Isomorphic - we'd love to see xWiki pick up SmartGWT. If I weren't already working on SmartClient a project like xWiki is probably what I'd be involved with :) So let me address your concerns: 1) Piecewise loading of widgets: yes you can load the framework piecewise. At coarse granularity we have major modules like "Grids", "Forms", "DataBinding". At finer granularity you can pick and choose individual files and make a custom build. 2) GWT widget dependency: SmartClient (the JavaScript engine inside SmartGWT) runs completely standalone, so I think the answer is "not at all". We have interoperability with other GWT widgets however. If I didn't address your concern please let me know. 3) New GWT versions: I don't forsee a problem, but have you had issues of this kind before? 4) Browser-specific code: Neither approach really. We have a foundation layer and widgets above this foundation do not need browser-specific code. 5) Customization: Probably our longest suit, both in terms of the skinning system (even if you don't like the themes, you'll notice that there's a huge breadth of look and feel, it's not just color changes) and also in terms of the model for custom components: http://www.smartclient.com/#_Extending_Component.Reuse 6) Active developers: extremely active, just check our forums. Hey we're even here on *your* forums ;) Cheers Charles Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:

I'm +0 right now. There are some things that I have to check about SmartGWT widgets: * can I load only the widgets I use and not the whole library? * how much do they rely on GWT widget framework? * can I update to the latest GWT version without breaking them? * have they been written using deferred binding with browser specific code in different classes or do they wrap spaghetti JavaScript code? * are they easily customizable? * are their developers active on their forums/mailing lists? Thanks, Marius Vincent Massol wrote:

Hi, I'd like to propose using smartGWT/smartClient for all our widget needs both in GWT and in JS: * Their set is pretty impressive and has all we need. * It's under LGPL * Sanjiv has moved from Ext GWT to SmartGWT and since he's had a bad history with Ext GWT we can assume he has received enough reassurance from smartClient to remain open source and under the LGPL license. * It's both GWT and JS and we need both * The little of the source I have seen look very clean. Some links: * http://www.jroller.com/sjivan/entry/smartgwt_1_0_released * http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ * http://www.ongwt.com/post/2008/11/27/SmartGWT-%3A- A- QampA-with-Sanjiv-Jivan2 * http://www.smartclient.com/product/smartLGPL.jsp Here's my +1 (barring any issue we see when we start using it of course) Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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