[xwiki-devs] Subject: Re: Answer to Eduard's feedback - Proposals for gallery photo - xwiki-devs@xwiki.org

19 Jun 2015

Hello Eduard,

 Thank you very much for your feed back.
-You’re right, step 4 is actually the final view of the creation process,
where the user can check if all its informations and settings are corrects.
-« Add albums » permits to create a quick album and also a sub-album inside
an existing one, but it’s true that it’s not clear in the wireframes.

-For the URL on slide 37-38, thank you for pointing  us this detail. For
the UI buttons, we proposed a flat design for rebranding the XWiki design.

We noticed all your suggestions for future feedbacks, thank you for it and
sorry we didn't answer to the two first answers, we were novice on using
this type of mailing list.
You can now consult our work through a macro gallery with the help of
Ludovic Dubost.
I remind you the link :
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/PhotoAlbumBenchmark
We are going to adjust our wireframes and mockups and let you know when
we’re done.

Thank you again for your help.

CRAY Team

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    1. Re: Improvements proposals for a gallery photo (Eduard Moraru)
    2. Re: [Proposal][NestedSpaces] Deprecate and Remove new
       DocumentReference(wiki, space, page) constructor (Eduard Moraru)
    3. Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Colibri Skin in 7.x
       (Ecaterina Moraru (Valica))
    4. Re: [VOTE] Drop support for IE8/IE9 in 7.x
       (Ecaterina Moraru (Valica))
    5. [ANN] XWiki 7.1.1 released (Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau)
    6. Re: [Proposal][NestedSpaces] Deprecate and Remove new
       DocumentReference(wiki, space, page) constructor
       (Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau)

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 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:14:55 +0300
 From: Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt;
 To: XWiki Developers &lt;devs(a)xwiki.org&gt;
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Improvements proposals for a gallery photo
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 Hi,

 Nice mockups.

 Here are my remarks:

 * What is the purpose of step4 in the creation wizard (slides 33-34)? 3
 steps should be enough in a wizard and the 4th step looks more like "view"
 mode to me and should be separate from the wizard.

 * What is the difference between AWM's "Add new entry" button and the
"Add
 album" button on the app's homepage (slides 35-36). Seems to me that they
 both do the same thing.

 * Minor details: On slides 37-38, I am guessing you want to show the
 details of the album "Holidays", but XWiki's UI (URL and breadcrumbs)
 suggest you are still on the app's homepage.

 * Things to consider: On a similar note, you should consider XWiki's
 actions for editing something (e.g. an album) with respect to the UI
 buttons that are available at the bottom of the screen [1]. All you mockups
 seem to be in "view" mode, however the create and edit steps for an album
 entry should be performed in the "edit" (?editor=inline) mode.

 It`s great that you`re working on this and sharing it with the community.
 Hope to hear more from you!

 Thanks,
 Eduard

 P.S.:
 ---
 Note/suggestions for the future when asking for/receiving people's
 feedback:

 I must admit that I have not read all the details in that PDF, I mainly
 scanned the titles and looked at the mockups. I did not even touch the zip
 file. You need to consider these things when asking for feedback, since if
 you give a link, people will expect to find everything on the linked page.
 In your case I had to find out that the content was attached to the page
 and not in the page itself (the page was an empty and unattractive
 "placeholder"). I had to download a pdf and view it, instead of reading a
 wiki/web page. The zip attachment was just too complicated (download +
 extract + view in local viewer + etc.).

 Bottom line is that people's time is precious and, if you want feedback,
 you have to present it in a way that is easily reviewable. The more
 complicated you make the process to review (i.e. the less time you spend in
 preparing the work to be reviewed), the less reviews/feedback you will
 receive from people that just can`t afford to invest the time.

 Also, maybe you`ve missed them, but there were a couple of replies [2] to
 your initial message. Make sure you acknowledge the feedback you get so
 that you keep people motivated in giving it again the next time :)
 ---

 P.P.S.: Hope you take the above suggestions constructively and not as
 critique.

 ----------
 [1]

 http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/PageEditing#HCommoneditac…
 [2]

http://markmail.org/thread/t6lo7lvqplrbcnfx#query:+page:1+mid:ubhhqlnyxklva…

 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Cray xWiki &lt;crayxwiki(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

  Dear all,

 For reminder, we are a groupe of four students working on a XWiki photo
 gallery improvements under the supervision of Ludovic Dubost.

 Please find on the link below (in the attachments section) a benchmark of
 Photo Albums and our requirements including wireframes and mock ups :
 http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/PhotoAlbumBenchmark

 Feel free to give us feedback an our work and give us your opinion. We  are
  open to any suggestions you may have

 Thank you in advance.

 Best regards,

 CRAY team
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 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:24:13 +0300
 From: Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt;
 To: XWiki Developers &lt;devs(a)xwiki.org&gt;
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][NestedSpaces] Deprecate and
         Remove new DocumentReference(wiki, space, page) constructor
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 +1. We don`t have much choice in this anyway.

 Thanks,
 Eduard

 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM, vincent(a)massol.net &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;
 wrote:

 On 17 Jun 2015 at 10:04:00, Jean SIMARD (jean.simard(a)xwiki.com) wrote:

 On 17/06/2015 10:02, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
  We also need to do the same for:
 public DocumentReference createDocumentReference(String wiki, String  space, String
page)

 FTR:

 * 1300 places to fix in Java using new DocumentReference(wiki, space,  page)
  * 90 places using
$services.model.createDocumentReference(?) in *.vm
 * 140 places using $services.model.createDocumentReference(?) in *.xml

 That?s a lot?  Yes but IntelliJ and sed are your friends ;-)

 Unfortunately not that simple? there?s no automatic fix.

 -Vincent

 Thanks
 -Vincent

 On 17 Jun 2015 at 09:57:38, vincent(a)massol.net (vincent(a)massol.net)  wrote:

 Hi devs,

 Ideally I believe we should remove the new DocumentReference(wiki,  space, page)
constructor. However, for backward compatibility we cannot  do
  this.
 >
 > So I propose that we start by deprecating it as we should now always  use
  the new DocumentReference(wiki,
List<String> spaces, page) one.

 What I suggest we do to flesh out all issues related to Nested Spaces,  is to start
by removing it on our dev machines to find out places to fix.

 Then once we?ve progressed enough to not break everything, I suggest we  move it to
Legacy with an Aspect to make sure we don?t use it anymore.

 WDYT?

 Thanks
 -Vincent

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 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:46:40 +0300
 From: "Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)" &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt;
 To: XWiki Developers &lt;devs(a)xwiki.org&gt;
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Drop support for Colibri Skin in 7.x
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 Hi,

 Thanks for your votes.

 6x(+1) + 2x(+1 non-binding)

 Vote has passed.

 I've updated
 http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Colibri+Skin

 Thanks,
 Caty

 On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Thomas Mortagne <
 thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt;
 wrote:

  +1

 On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:43 AM, vincent(a)massol.net &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;
 wrote:
 >
 >
 > On 8 Jun 2015 at 12:16:24, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (  valicac(a)gmail.com
  (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
 >
 >> Hi,
 >>
 >> This mail is about dropping support for Colibri Skin [1].
 >>
 >> Colibri Skin has been developed in version 2.0 (Sep 2009) and used as  a
  >
default Skin until version 6.2 (Sep 2014), when it was replaced by  Flamingo
 > Skin [2].
>
> Colibri is still supported for 6.x branch (currently we are developing
> version 6.4.5).
>
> Since the Flamingo Skin had stabilized, I propose we drop support for
> Colibri Skin in 7.x, in order to focus on Flamingo.
> This means the improvements and bugfixes will not be mandatory to be  ported
   on
Colibri anymore.
 We can still have Colibri bundled for one more cycle and after we can
 retired it.

 WDYT?

 Here is my +1 
 +1 to deprecate it now (i.e. update xwiki.org to mention the  deprecation and its
retirement that will soon happen)
 > +1 to remove it in 8.0
 >
 > Thanks
 > -Vincent
 >
 >> Thanks,
 >> Caty
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> [1] http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Colibri+Skin
 >> [2] 
 http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Flamingo+Skin
    [3]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SupportSkin 
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 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:42:57 +0300
 From: "Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)" &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt;
 To: XWiki Developers &lt;devs(a)xwiki.org&gt;
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Drop support for IE8/IE9 in 7.x
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 Hi,

 Status:
 4x(+1)
 1x(+1 non-binding)
 1x(+0)

 The vote has passed.
 I've updated
 http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy

 Thanks for your votes,
 Caty

 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:06 PM, vincent(a)massol.net &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;
 wrote:

 On 9 Jun 2015 at 13:18:16, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac(a)gmail.com
 (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:

  On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:49 AM,
vincent(a)massol.net
 wrote:

 >
 >
 >
 > On 8 Jun 2015 at 15:41:15, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (  valicac(a)gmail.com
  > (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
 >
 > > Hi,
 > >
 > > One year ago (Mar 2014) [1] we discussed dropping support for IE8  for
the
 > > > 6.x cycle. The vote did not pass.
 > > >
 > > > Since then, we started the support for IE10/IE11 (Jun 2014) [2].
 > > >
 > > > You can see some statistics and the current browsers we support at
 > > > 
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
   >
>
 > > This mail is about voting the drop of support for IE8/IE9 for cycle 
7.x.
 > > > WDYT?
 > > >
 > > > My +1
 > >
 > > Well, IE8+9 still account for close to 30% of browser shares  according
  to
 > > your link. Is it wise to drop a potential 30% user base? :)
 > >
 > > What?s the current status of IE8/9 in XWiki 7.1 for example (Do we  have
   > lots
of opened issues for them)?
 >
 > WDYM by dropping support: Do we remove code specific to support IE8/9  now
  > or do we just stop fixing issues raised for
IE8/9 from now on and we  remove
 > > the specific code in 8.0?
 > >
 > >
 > There is a high chance the skin will work on IE8, especially since the
 > first versions of Flamingo was tested on IE8 and we added Respond.js  and
  > HTML5Shiv just for this case.
 >
 > Dropping support means that we will not particularly test on that  version
  > of browser, nor prioritizing fixing issues
for it. We will focus on  newer
   versions.
We will still apply commits if contributors are interested.

 Regarding fixing issues on IE8, on several occasions I fixed issues for  IE8
 > in BFDs.
 >
 > Now if you consider that the user base is still great, we could leave  the
   issues
still open (instead of closing them as 'Not supported anymore').  The
 > main problem is that if you look at the Dashboard listing issues marked
 > with IE
 > http://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?filter=13809
 > http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13102
 > all open issues (except 1) are reported by active contributors, not by
 > community user members. And that is because we still support the  browser:
  > still doing tests on it and providing fixes.
For such an old browser  is a
   waste of
resources IMO. 
 +0

 Thanks
 -Vincent

  Thanks,
 Caty

 > Thanks
 > -Vincent
 >
 > > Thanks,
 > > Caty
 > >
 > >
 > > [1] http://markmail.org/thread/es5ghym4gphlj4mz
 > > [2] http://markmail.org/thread/mzvcovh2da2t4e3w
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 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 16:41:53 +0200
 From: "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau"
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 To: XWiki Developers &lt;devs(a)xwiki.org&gt;rg>, XWiki Users &lt;users(a)xwiki.org&gt;
 Subject: [xwiki-devs] [ANN] XWiki 7.1.1 released
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 The XWiki development team is proud to announce the availability of XWiki
 7.1.1.

 This is a stabilization release that fixes important bugs discovered in the
 7.1 version.

 You can download it here:
 http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download

 Make sure to review the release notes:
 http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ReleaseNotes/ReleaseNotesXWiki711

 The following people have contributed code to this release:

 - Vincent Massol
 - Guillaume Delhumeau

 Thanks for your support
 -The XWiki dev team

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 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 17:57:10 +0200
 From: "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau"
&lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;
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 Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][NestedSpaces] Deprecate and
         Remove new DocumentReference(wiki, space, page) constructor
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 +1

 2015-06-17 13:24 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt;om>:

  +1. We don`t have much choice in this anyway.

 Thanks,
 Eduard

 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM, vincent(a)massol.net &lt;vincent(a)massol.net

 wrote:

 >
 >
 >
 > On 17 Jun 2015 at 10:04:00, Jean SIMARD (jean.simard(a)xwiki.com) wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 > On 17/06/2015 10:02, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
 > > We also need to do the same for:
 > > public DocumentReference createDocumentReference(String wiki, String
 > space, String page)
 > >
 > >
 > > FTR:
 > >
 > > * 1300 places to fix in Java using new DocumentReference(wiki, space,
 > page)
 > > * 90 places using $services.model.createDocumentReference(?) in *.vm
 > > * 140 places using $services.model.createDocumentReference(?) in  *.xml

 That?s a lot?  Yes but IntelliJ and sed are your friends ;-)

 Unfortunately not that simple? there?s no automatic fix.

 -Vincent

 Thanks
 -Vincent

 On 17 Jun 2015 at 09:57:38, vincent(a)massol.net (vincent(a)massol.net)  wrote:

 Hi devs,

 Ideally I believe we should remove the new DocumentReference(wiki,  space, page)
constructor. However, for backward compatibility we cannot  do
  this.
 >
 > So I propose that we start by deprecating it as we should now always  use
 > the new DocumentReference(wiki, List<String> spaces, page) one.
 > >
 > > What I suggest we do to flesh out all issues related to Nested  Spaces,
  > is to start by removing it on our dev
machines to find out places to  fix.
  > >
 > > Then once we?ve progressed enough to not break everything, I suggest  we
   move it
to Legacy with an Aspect to make sure we don?t use it anymore.

 WDYT?

 Thanks
 -Vincent

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