I agree with Edy. In the "wiki farm" case, you want to restrict subwiki creation to admins.

In the "workspaces" case, you want any user to be able to create a workspace.

I don't have feedback about the best option to handle this from a technical point of view. We have not seen the end of this debate... Guillaume On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: Basically, what they said is that you may want to allow more users to create wiki without local users. So, does is means two different rights ? On right to create any kind of subwikis, and one right to create only subwikis without local users (workspace case). Do you see the difference now ?

> Thanks > -Vincent > >> I don't have feedback about the best option to handle this from a > technical >> point of view. >> >> We have not seen the end of this debate... >> >> Guillaume >> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' > notion, >>> you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup > (both >>> workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create >>> workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis. >>> >>> Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, >>> there are 2 problems here: >>> 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any >>> createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have > CRUD >>> rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, >>> object), but that's a different topic. >>> 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and >>> workspace and no way to allow one over the other. >>> >>> Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B would be just a hack for a >>> first implementation (not for the long run). >>> >>> In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to >>> assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace >>> document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove > that >>> limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can > be >>> done as for workspaces. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eduard >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < >>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new >>> parameter >>>> to set who has the right to create a new subwiki. >>>> >>>> -------------- >>>> Proposal A: >>>> -------------- >>>> We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know >>>> what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. >>>> Examples: >>>> * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the > right >>>> to create new wikis >>>> * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the >>> right >>>> to create new wikis >>>> >>>> -------------- >>>> Proposal B: >>>> -------------- >>>> We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki >>>> creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then >>> we >>>> can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup. >>>> >>>> -------------- >>>> Proposal C: >>>> -------------- >>>> We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and >>>> everybody who is on this group can create new wikis. >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> WDYT? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Louis-Marie

Hi, On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: Just because you don't see the difference does not mean that other users of XWiki don't see it. Let me take several examples: 1. *Large organization where various groups want to have independent wikis for their knowledge bases:* no local users, wiki creation restricted to admins to avoid duplication of KBs 2. *"Pure" wiki farm as on myxwiki.org:* you only want admins to be able to create new wikis to prevent spam. Each wiki has its local users. 3. *Large organization where people want to work on projects with sub-contractors (some wikis act as an extranet):* local users allowed, anyone can create a wiki 4. *Company where people want to work on internal projects:* local users not allowed, anyone can create a wiki And in some cases you might want to accomodate 1. and 3. at the same time: control wiki creation to avoid duplication of knowledge bases but let anyone create a workspace for project work. I have not seen a solution that allows to address all of these use cases in the proposals yet. But I've seen XWiki users doing all of this.

Guillaume > I don't have feedback about the best option to handle this from a > technical >> point of view. >> >> We have not seen the end of this debate... >> >> Guillaume >> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' > notion, >>> you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup > (both >>> workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create >>> workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis. >>> >>> Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, >>> there are 2 problems here: >>> 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any >>> createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have > CRUD >>> rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, >>> object), but that's a different topic. >>> 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and >>> workspace and no way to allow one over the other. >>> >>> Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B would be just a hack for a >>> first implementation (not for the long run). >>> >>> In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to >>> assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace >>> document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove > that >>> limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can > be >>> done as for workspaces. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eduard >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < >>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new >>> parameter >>>> to set who has the right to create a new subwiki. >>>> >>>> -------------- >>>> Proposal A: >>>> -------------- >>>> We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know >>>> what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. >>>> Examples: >>>> * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the > right >>>> to create new wikis >>>> * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the >>> right >>>> to create new wikis >>>> >>>> -------------- >>>> Proposal B: >>>> -------------- >>>> We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki >>>> creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then >>> we >>>> can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup. >>>> >>>> -------------- >>>> Proposal C: >>>> -------------- >>>> We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and >>>> everybody who is on this group can create new wikis. >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> WDYT? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Louis-Marie