Hi, IMO: - Templates should be created by Administrators, this means the ability to set a new wiki as template or mark/edit an existing wiki as template should be visible just to Administrators. http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/WikiTemplates/edit-…

- If creating a template is allowed just to Administrators, for me is normal that the management is available in the Administration area: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/WikiTemplates/manag…

normal user should not see them or want to interact with them

(as an Admin I wouldn't want that normal users create new page content on my template wikis or that they join it, etc).

This mean that Wiki templates should not be visible in 'Wiki Index'.

'Wiki Index' purpose is to act like a place where the user can navigate toward wikis or manage his joining policy.

So having what I say in mind means: - 'Wiki Index': -- don't display hidden wikis, except if set otherwise in the Profile;

users and you can manage them from Administration; - 'Creation Step': -- don't display normal/hidden wikis (logical);

-- don't display 'hidden' templates, except otherwise specified in the Profile; -- display templates (in future flavors) (old mockups, but still partial relevant) http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/CreateWikiImproveme… The above ideas are gathered here http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/WikiTemplates Thanks, Caty On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote: Index, you wikis, as _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Status: In the Wiki Index, we display every wikis where the user has view rights. Which means, by default, every wikis [1]. We do not do anything special for wiki templates, since we do not have found an agreement. We still have an open issue for this [2] and we need to decide if we close it or not. Maybe an option could be to implement the notion of hidden wiki, which is already implemented in the API but not in the UI. It was my first proposition, and there is already a +1 from Thomas. It has the benefits that hidden wikis could cover other use-cases, and can be a temporary solution for this one. Thanks, Louis-Marie [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9726?focusedCommentId=80370&page=com… [2] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9690 2013-11-20 16:04 GMT+01:00 Vincent Massol : > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > IMO: > > - Templates should be created by Administrators, this means the ability > to > > set a new wiki as template or mark/edit an existing wiki as template > should > > be visible just to Administrators. > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/WikiTemplates/edit-… > > > Sometime yes, sometimes no. This the same rule as for creating wikis. > Sometimes you want to only allow admins to do that and sometime you want to > open it to your users. > > > > - If creating a template is allowed just to Administrators, for me is > > normal that the management is available in the Administration area: > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/WikiTemplates/manag… > > > Administration area should be just there for configuration of features and > apps should be located in their spaces and navigation should be done as for > other apps. > > A page should list what the user is allowed to do, whether he's a simple > user or an admin. > > I don't think it's a good idea to have 2 UIs and prevent admins from doing > admin operations when they're on some app pages. > > In addition this prevents allowing non admins to do those actions too > should we want that. Again my example of the stats app. In some cases I > want only admins to be allowed to view it and in some other cases I may > want stats to be visible by everyone in my wiki. If you force users to go > through administration you loose this ability. This is the same for > everything, including templates... > > This is really important to agree on since it's something generic. > > - Since templates are used for creation purposes and act as blueprints, a > > normal user should not see them or want to interact with them > > > Why should the onus of creating a template wiki be only on admins? As an > admin I may want to ask other users to participate in creating a template > wiki (for example). > > > > (as an Admin > > I wouldn't want that normal users create new page content on my template > > wikis or that they join it, etc). > > > That's controlled by **permissions**, not by visibility. > > > > This mean that Wiki templates should not > > be visible in 'Wiki Index'. > > > I don't agree, see above and below ;) > > > > 'Wiki Index' purpose is to act like a place > > where the user can navigate toward wikis or manage his joining policy. > > > > Since template wikis are wikis it also makes sense to have them there for > whoever is allowed to view them. > > > > So having what I say in mind means: > > - 'Wiki Index': > > -- don't display hidden wikis, except if set otherwise in the Profile; > > -- don't display template wikis, since they are not indented for normal > > users and you can manage them from Administration; > > > > - 'Creation Step': > > -- don't display normal/hidden wikis (logical); > > > > Why would you display hidden wikis in the create step? > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > > -- don't display 'hidden' templates, except otherwise specified in the > > Profile; > > -- display templates (in future flavors) > > (old mockups, but still partial relevant) > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/CreateWikiImproveme… > > > > The above ideas are gathered here > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/WikiTemplates > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > > > wrote: > > > > Hi devs. > > > > > > > > In the coming 5.3 milestone 2, all wikis are displayed in the Wiki > > Index, > > > > including the templates, which was not the case before. > > > > > > > > From the user point of view, maybe these templates should not be > listed > > > in > > > > the Wiki Index. But on the other hand, if you want to see a template, > > you > > > > will not be able to access through the wiki index. > > > > > > > > We also have introduced the "hidden" flag for wikis (in the > > > WikiDescriptor, > > > > not in the UI yet). If we consider template wikis are "technical" > > wikis, > > > we > > > > may use this flag to hide them. Then, in the Wiki Index, we don't > care > > > if a > > > > wiki is a template or not, we only care about the "hidden" flag. If > the > > > > user does not want to see the templates in the list, she can mark > them > > as > > > > hidden, exactly as we do for documents. > > > > > > > > But what about the template list in the wiki creation wizard? Should > we > > > > list all templates, or only the visible ones? > > > > > > > > My proposition: > > > > - all wikis are visible though the wiki index (template or not). > > > > - if we want to hide templates to the users, we use the hidden flag > in > > > the > > > > wiki descriptor. > > > > - in the wiki creation wizard, we display all the templates, even > these > > > > which are tagged as hidden. > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Louis-Marie