Hi Vincent this is very interesting. AFAIU you are proposing a REST-like (as in http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/pubs/dissertation/rest_arch_style.htm#sec_…). Because of this similarity I've find quite strange to see packed in a "string representation" that could be taken as the resource identifier, the reference, the action, and the expected representation.

For example: page:view:wiki:space1.space2.page is actually a request for getting the content of the resource wiki:space1.space2.page rendered in HTML with a skin applied. From my point of view (very HTTP-REST biased) this would have been "translated" like VIEW, xwiki://wiki.space1.space2.page, {target: text/html}

Where a clear separation among actions, identifiers and paramaters (for example for selecting the representation) is more evident. Other examples: entity:view:wiki:space1.space2.page, params: context=new -> VIEW, xwiki://wiki:space1.space2.page, {target: text/plain, params : {context : new}} entity:link:wiki:space.page@my.png -> VIEW, xwiki://wiki:space.page@my.png, {target: link} Your examples are all about VIEWing resources. But you also mentioned creation and updating. Something like this could be done by issuing requests like UPDATE, xwiki://wiki:space.page, {content-type: text/plain, payload: "new page content"} What does this mean at the API level? Simply having something like execute(Action, Reference, Map<String, Object> metadata) where Action is an enum {VIEW, UPDATE, DELETE, whatever} which consitutes the Uniform Interface through which manipulating the resources (i.e., the equivalent of HTTP's GET, PUT, POST DELETE or WebDav COPY, MKCOL, etc.) What is in this enum is XWiki specific of course. In this way the action, the identifier and the metadata are clearly separated and not mixed in a string representation that could be taken for the actual identifier.

I don't know if this makes sense from your point of view. Anyway I like a lot the direction the module is taking :) -Fabio On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: > Hi devs, > > While designing the xwiki-action and xwiki-url modules I've realized that we need a general way to represent an xwiki resource and an action on that resource. > This will allow every resource in XWiki to be addressable and offer a generic action mechanism. > > What is an xwiki resource? > ===================== > Examples: > * an Entity (Document, XObject, XProperty, Attachment, etc) > * A Page (i.e. an Entity rendered with a skin) > * a resource file on the filesystem (image, css, js, icon, etc) > * something on which a REST call will operate (which may or may not be an Entity) > > Note that a resource has a type, a reference and optional generic parameters. It's very much similar to a URI in the JDK but represented differently. > > What is an action done on a resource? > ===================== > Examples: > * For an Entity: view it in XHTML (or in any other syntax) > * For an Entity: view it with the skin applied, in XHTML (or in any other syntax) > * Generate a URL for it > * Create a link to it > * For an Entity: Create it, modify it, delete it > > Where would it be used: > ===================== > Examples: > * To transform any XWiki URL into a resource object. Any XWiki URL would be transformed internally into a resource. Note: The current XWikiURL class located in the xwiki-url module would disappear > * In the Rendering to represent the reference of a link or an image. Ex: [[label>>reference]]. We currently have a ResourceReference class that would be removed and replaced by the new generic resource class. > * More generically Resource and Resource Actions will be used at entry points of XWiki and internally XWiki will only manipulate Resources. > > String representation: > ===================== > <resource type>:<action>:<resource reference> > > Examples: > ===================== > * view a document with skin applied > page:view:wiki:space1.space2.page > <==> ViewAction > > * view a document > entity:view:wiki:space1.space2.page > params: context=new > <==> No equiv or {{include document="wiki:space1.space2.page" context="new"/}} > > ex: link to attachment > entity:link:wiki:space.page@my.png > <==> [[attach:wiki:space.page@my.png]] > > ex: link to a document > entity:link:wiki:space1.space2.page > <==> [[doc:wiki:space1.space2.page]] > > ex: view icon > icon:view:accept > <==> image:icon:accept > > ex: view image stored in document > entity:view:wiki:space.page@my.png > <==> image:doc:wiki:space.page@my.png > > ex: view image located at external URL > url:view:http://server/my.png > <==> image:url:http://server/my.png > > API > === > > * ResourceReference > * ResourceAction (extends ResourceReference by adding an action field) > * ResourceReferenceSerializer > * ResourceReferenceResolver > * ResourceExecutor(ResourceReference). Hint = <executor type>/<resource type>/<resource action> > > Example: View "entity:view:wiki:space.page@my.png" in XHTML > Algorithm: > - lookup ResourceExecutor (hint = "xhtml/entity/view") > - cast ref = ResourceReference.getReference() to EntityReference > - if ref.type == ATTACHMENT > - get attachment URL > => <img src="..../my.png"/> > > Example: Generate URL for "entity:view:wiki:space.page@my.png" > Algorithm: > - lookup ResourceExecutor (hint = "url/entity/view") > - cast ref = ResourceReference.getReference() to EntityReference > => http://wiki/xwiki/bin/view/space/page/my.png > > OR simply: > > ResourceExecutor(ResourceAction). Hint = <executor type> > > ex: "xhtml", "url", etc. > > And it's up to the executor to have sub components for the various actions, resource types.... > > Conclusion > =========== > > The API is not completely finished and I'd need to explore it (ie start implementing it) to refine it. > Right now I'd just like to discuss whether you see the idea as interesting and whether I should start spending some time working on it. > > I'll post refinements as I progress. > > Thanks > -Vincent

Hi Vincent, On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: Actually this was my point. Imho, URL are only for identifying resources (i.e., they're actually entity references).

Serializing an action into an URL is wrong because you will mix the entity with the operation in something that semantically is just an "identifier".

> Then we still need executors. Something like: > ResourceActionExecutor.execute(ResourceAction) > > One question we need to solve is how granular are the executor implementations. Since all data is contained inside ResourceAction we theoretically only need 1 implementation that would do some ifs on the type and the action. > > We could have such a generic implementation that looks up specific executors based on a hint composed of type and action (e.g. "<type>/<action>", "entity/view"). > > Any other ideas? > > I think the next step for me would be to try using that for refactoring the rendering module and see how it goes. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> I don't know if this makes sense from your point of view. >> Anyway I like a lot the direction the module is taking :) >> >> -Fabio >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: >>> Hi devs, >>> >>> While designing the xwiki-action and xwiki-url modules I've realized that we need a general way to represent an xwiki resource and an action on that resource. >>> This will allow every resource in XWiki to be addressable and offer a generic action mechanism. >>> >>> What is an xwiki resource? >>> ===================== >>> Examples: >>> * an Entity (Document, XObject, XProperty, Attachment, etc) >>> * A Page (i.e. an Entity rendered with a skin) >>> * a resource file on the filesystem (image, css, js, icon, etc) >>> * something on which a REST call will operate (which may or may not be an Entity) >>> >>> Note that a resource has a type, a reference and optional generic parameters. It's very much similar to a URI in the JDK but represented differently. >>> >>> What is an action done on a resource? >>> ===================== >>> Examples: >>> * For an Entity: view it in XHTML (or in any other syntax) >>> * For an Entity: view it with the skin applied, in XHTML (or in any other syntax) >>> * Generate a URL for it >>> * Create a link to it >>> * For an Entity: Create it, modify it, delete it >>> >>> Where would it be used: >>> ===================== >>> Examples: >>> * To transform any XWiki URL into a resource object. Any XWiki URL would be transformed internally into a resource. Note: The current XWikiURL class located in the xwiki-url module would disappear >>> * In the Rendering to represent the reference of a link or an image. Ex: [[label>>reference]]. We currently have a ResourceReference class that would be removed and replaced by the new generic resource class. >>> * More generically Resource and Resource Actions will be used at entry points of XWiki and internally XWiki will only manipulate Resources. >>> >>> String representation: >>> ===================== >>> <resource type>:<action>:<resource reference> >>> >>> Examples: >>> ===================== >>> * view a document with skin applied >>> page:view:wiki:space1.space2.page >>> <==> ViewAction >>> >>> * view a document >>> entity:view:wiki:space1.space2.page >>> params: context=new >>> <==> No equiv or {{include document="wiki:space1.space2.page" context="new"/}} >>> >>> ex: link to attachment >>> entity:link:wiki:space.page@my.png >>> <==> [[attach:wiki:space.page@my.png]] >>> >>> ex: link to a document >>> entity:link:wiki:space1.space2.page >>> <==> [[doc:wiki:space1.space2.page]] >>> >>> ex: view icon >>> icon:view:accept >>> <==> image:icon:accept >>> >>> ex: view image stored in document >>> entity:view:wiki:space.page@my.png >>> <==> image:doc:wiki:space.page@my.png >>> >>> ex: view image located at external URL >>> url:view:http://server/my.png >>> <==> image:url:http://server/my.png >>> >>> API >>> === >>> >>> * ResourceReference >>> * ResourceAction (extends ResourceReference by adding an action field) >>> * ResourceReferenceSerializer >>> * ResourceReferenceResolver >>> * ResourceExecutor(ResourceReference). Hint = <executor type>/<resource type>/<resource action> >>> >>> Example: View "entity:view:wiki:space.page@my.png" in XHTML >>> Algorithm: >>> - lookup ResourceExecutor (hint = "xhtml/entity/view") >>> - cast ref = ResourceReference.getReference() to EntityReference >>> - if ref.type == ATTACHMENT >>> - get attachment URL >>> => <img src="..../my.png"/> >>> >>> Example: Generate URL for "entity:view:wiki:space.page@my.png" >>> Algorithm: >>> - lookup ResourceExecutor (hint = "url/entity/view") >>> - cast ref = ResourceReference.getReference() to EntityReference >>> => http://wiki/xwiki/bin/view/space/page/my.png >>> >>> OR simply: >>> >>> ResourceExecutor(ResourceAction). Hint = <executor type> >>> >>> ex: "xhtml", "url", etc. >>> >>> And it's up to the executor to have sub components for the various actions, resource types.... >>> >>> Conclusion >>> =========== >>> >>> The API is not completely finished and I'd need to explore it (ie start implementing it) to refine it. >>> Right now I'd just like to discuss whether you see the idea as interesting and whether I should start spending some time working on it. >>> >>> I'll post refinements as I progress. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent