9 May
2014
9 May
'14
7:35 a.m.
Hello all,
I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet
Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle.
First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9
are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to
update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers ->
Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users
and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the
older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is
still significant.
Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering
our content sometimes, and you will see that below:
IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a
different table cell
2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a word isn’t displayed on IE10
3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of
them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10
4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields
don't have
the same size
IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit
wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View
favourites, feeds and history" option
2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work
3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields
don't have
the same size
Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and
IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with
WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283).
So, what do you think?
Andreea
9 May
9 May
9:08 a.m.
Hi Andre/everyone,
On 9 May 2014 at 07:35:54, Andreea Popescu
(andreea.popescu@xwiki.com(mailto:andreea.popescu@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Hello all,
I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet
Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle.
First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9
are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to
update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers ->
Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users
and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the
older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is
still significant.
Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering
our content sometimes, and you will see that below:
IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a
different table cell
2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a word isn’t displayed on IE10
3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of
them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10
4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't
have
the same size
IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit
wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View
favourites, feeds and history" option
2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work
3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't
have
the same size
Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and
IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with
WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283).
So, what do you think?
I agree that we need to officially support IE10/11. We’ve been waiting too long for that
aready.
Actually we started doing this for XWiki 5.4.x and we fixed all issues we knew at that
time for IE10/11.
However we’ve had some regression in XWiki 6.0-SNAPSHOT because we upgraded the GWT
version we were using and that caused issues. I’ve seen that Marius has fixed some issue
already for the WYSIWYG: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283.
So I’m +1 to start officially supporting IE10/11 and add them
to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy (which I’ve
updated with a netmarketshare report).
@Marius: you’re probably the one who’s done most of the browser support so far. Is it
going to be a problem to support IE8, 9, 10, 11 at once (in term of workload)?
Thanks
-Vincent
16 May
16 May
1:04 p.m.
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:08 AM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Andre/everyone,
On 9 May 2014 at 07:35:54, Andreea Popescu
(andreea.popescu@xwiki.com(mailto:andreea.popescu@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>
> I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet
> Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle.
>
>
> First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9
> are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to
> update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers ->
> Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users
> and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the
> older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is
> still significant.
>
>
> Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering
> our content sometimes, and you will see that below:
>
>
> IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
>
> 1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a
> different table cell
> 2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a word
isn’t displayed on IE10
> 3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of
> them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10
Minor. I don't think uses add multiple annotations on the same piece
of text (they can reply to the annotation/comment instead).
> 4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and
"Password" input fields don't have
> the same size
Minor too.
IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit
wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View
favourites, feeds and history" option
2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work
3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't
have
the same size
Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and
IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with
WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283).
So, what do you think?
I agree that we need to officially support IE10/11. We’ve been waiting too long for that
aready.
Actually we started doing this for XWiki 5.4.x and we fixed all issues we knew at that
time for IE10/11.
However we’ve had some regression in XWiki 6.0-SNAPSHOT because we upgraded the GWT
version we were using and that caused issues. I’ve seen that Marius has fixed some issue
already for the WYSIWYG: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283.
So I’m +1 to start officially supporting IE10/11 and add them to
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy (which I’ve updated
with a netmarketshare report).
@Marius: you’re probably the one who’s done most of
the browser support so far. Is it going to be a problem to support IE8, 9, 10, 11 at once
(in term of workload)?
IE has become a lot more standards compliant in its recent versions so
supporting IE10 and IE11 should be less difficult for us that it was
to support IE6, 7 and 8. On the other hand, I think we should apply
the same strategy we have for the other browsers: support only the
latest version. See
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy .
So I think the XWiki *community* should support only IE11. Private
companies, like those listed on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport
can of course offer support for older versions of IE, but that is
their business.
Thanks,
Marius
Thanks
-Vincent
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2:13 p.m.
On 16 May 2014 at 13:04:37, Marius Dumitru Florea
(mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com)) wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:08 AM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
That would make sense from the angle of applying the same strategy for all browsers but I
don’t think this is what matters. What matters in the end is the userbase we’re going to
support officially in XWiki.
And looking at the browser stats, the reality is the one on the graph
at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy:
- IE8: 21% share
- IE11: 14%
- IE9: 9%
- IE10: 8%
- Chrome 33: 6%
- FF 27: 5.3%
Thus I think we have to support IE8, 9, 10, 11…
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi Andre/everyone,
On 9 May 2014 at 07:35:54, Andreea Popescu
(andreea.popescu@xwiki.com(mailto:andreea.popescu@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>
> I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet
> Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle.
>
>
> First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9
> are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to
> update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers ->
> Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users
> and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the
> older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is
> still significant.
>
>
> Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering
> our content sometimes, and you will see that below:
>
>
> IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
>
> 1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a
> different table cell
> 2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a
word isn’t displayed on IE10
> 3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of
> them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10
Minor. I don't think uses add multiple annotations on the same piece
of text (they can reply to the annotation/comment instead).
> 4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and
"Password" input fields don't have
> the same size
Minor too.
IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit
wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View
favourites, feeds and history" option
2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work
3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't
have
the same size
Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and
IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with
WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283).
So, what do you think?
I agree that we need to officially support IE10/11. We’ve been waiting too long for that
aready.
Actually we started doing this for XWiki 5.4.x and we fixed all issues we knew at that
time for IE10/11.
However we’ve had some regression in XWiki 6.0-SNAPSHOT because we upgraded the GWT
version we were using and that caused issues. I’ve seen that Marius has fixed some issue
already for the WYSIWYG: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283.
So I’m +1 to start officially supporting IE10/11 and add them to
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy (which I’ve updated
with a netmarketshare report).
@Marius: you’re probably the one who’s done most
of the browser support so far. Is it going to be a problem to support IE8, 9, 10, 11 at
once (in term of workload)?
IE has become a lot more standards compliant in its recent versions so
supporting IE10 and IE11 should be less difficult for us that it was
to support IE6, 7 and 8. On the other hand, I think we should apply
the same strategy we have for the other browsers: support only the
latest version. See
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy .
So I think the XWiki *community* should support only IE11. Private
companies, like those listed on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport
can of course offer support for older versions of IE, but that is
their business. Thanks,
Marius
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
3:44 p.m.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:13 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On 16 May 2014 at 13:04:37, Marius Dumitru Florea
(mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com)) wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:08 AM,
vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
That would make sense from the angle of applying the same strategy for all browsers but I
don’t think this is what matters. What matters in the end is the userbase we’re going to
support officially in XWiki.
And looking at the browser stats, the reality is the one on the graph at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy:
Hi Andre/everyone,
On 9 May 2014 at 07:35:54, Andreea Popescu
(andreea.popescu@xwiki.com(mailto:andreea.popescu@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>
> I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet
> Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle.
>
>
> First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9
> are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to
> update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers ->
> Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users
> and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the
> older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is
> still significant.
>
>
> Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering
> our content sometimes, and you will see that below:
>
>
> IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
>
> 1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a
> different table cell
> 2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a
word isn’t displayed on IE10
> 3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of
> them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10
Minor. I don't think uses add multiple annotations on the same piece
of text (they can reply to the annotation/comment instead).
> 4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and
"Password" input fields don't have
> the same size
Minor too.
IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit
wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View
favourites, feeds and history" option
2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work
3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't
have
the same size
Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and
IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with
WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283).
So, what do you think?
I agree that we need to officially support IE10/11. We’ve been waiting too long for that
aready.
Actually we started doing this for XWiki 5.4.x and we fixed all issues we knew at that
time for IE10/11.
However we’ve had some regression in XWiki 6.0-SNAPSHOT because we upgraded the GWT
version we were using and that caused issues. I’ve seen that Marius has fixed some issue
already for the WYSIWYG: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283.
So I’m +1 to start officially supporting IE10/11 and add them to
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy (which I’ve updated
with a netmarketshare report).
@Marius: you’re probably the one who’s done most
of the browser support so far. Is it going to be a problem to support IE8, 9, 10, 11 at
once (in term of workload)?
IE has become a lot more standards compliant in its recent versions so
supporting IE10 and IE11 should be less difficult for us that it was
to support IE6, 7 and 8. On the other hand, I think we should apply
the same strategy we have for the other browsers: support only the
latest version. See
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy .
So I think the XWiki *community* should support only IE11. Private
companies, like those listed on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport
can of course offer support for older versions of IE, but that is
their business. - IE8: 21% share
- IE11: 14%
- IE9: 9%
- IE10: 8%
- Chrome 33: 6%
- FF 27: 5.3%
Thus I think we have to support IE8, 9, 10, 11…
I've seen these stats but the percentages represent web users, not
XWiki users. We don't know for sure that the percentages are the same
if we take into account only XWiki users. It would be interesting to
see for instance the distribution of user agents that access xwiki.org
. Adding browser info in Active Installs application is not easy
because the ping requests are made by the server not by the
client/browser.
In any case, I'm not against supporting IE 8-11. I just think that
XWiki users using older versions of IE should give something back in
return for the additional effort we have to spend with workarounds for
IE bugs. How many XWiki bugs related to IE have been reported by such
XWiki-IE users versus XWiki active contributors that don't use IE but
that test XWiki on IE (like Sorin, Manuel, Andreea)?
Thanks,
Marius
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Marius
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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