On Sep 28, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: Good idea. Note that I've taken into account the xwiki.org feedbacks I had read (and I read them all) but not in a systematic manner, more by remembering what they were about. I had thought about it but forgot to add it. Yes I wanted to put it as an additional horizontal tab. It's a very important tab IMO so it needs to be very visible. Now we need to decide how we call it since Code Zone is not a good name. It's both a place where people will find extensions and a place where they'll find reference documentation. Maybe "Extensions" is ok, especially since the App Manager is an Extension Manager. In that case we'll need to move the Reference doc for Modules elsewhere but I think that's ok and normal. I think that's too many horizontal tabs and not that important compared to the rest, especially since the home page contains news. I'm not sure. For me establishing XWiki as a paltform is more important than XE so I'd really like that from the home page the users understands that XWiki is an ecosystem. If we remove XE/News, what remains are Features projects and Platform diagram. Anyway before deciding about the exact content let's see some mockup ideas of what it could look like. yep Thanks -Vincent

When I first though about the "horizontal top level navigation" I saw something like: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActionMenu/org… The problem we could have with this kind of navigation is if we gonna change the menu. There were some unfinished brainstorming (done with Guillaume and JV) about the new menu that resulted in this mockup: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/IconActionMenu… I don't quite remember the entries under Wiki and Space submenus (create was integrated as part of those submenus), so feel free to brainstorm at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/IconActionMenu SO, if we gonna have the new menu, the "horizontal top level navigation" could look something like: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActionMenu/org… Thanks, Caty On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 22:47, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 03/15/2010 05:42 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote: Kind of, but only on the main page. The blog panel is good for other pages. Maybe we could specifically change the blog panel to: - rename it to News instead of Recent Blog Posts - hide it on the homepage I'm -0. Maybe a "In the press"-like section at most, although I don't like this either. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

Hi Silvia, Good start! However I feel it's a bit too "corporate". For ex: * We don't have newsletter on xwiki.org. Would be complex to do, maintain, etc * Events is too corporate too since it's not about xwiki.org but about the company doing it. * I'm not sure about twitter either. Who would be allowed to tweet? I'd prefer a news.xwiki.org done using XWatch (if we think we can maintain it). Also, I'd prefer that we focus on the community. This is a community web site, done by the community, for the community so we should highlight new code snippets, new macros, new extensions, updated documentation pages, etc. I made a proposal for this for the redesign of the xwiki.org home page some time back. Have you seen it? Thanks -Vincent On Mar 15, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Silvia Rusu wrote:

Hi, On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: Why exactly? Because of the connotation that if you "try it" it's because there's a paying version? I'd say that encouraging visitors to go ahead and play with XWiki actually is a good thing :-) However you're right, maybe another wording would be better... "Play with an hosted instance of XWiki" maybe? Something that would take visitors to playground.xwiki.org so that they can get a feel of what the software does... Guillaume -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/

On Mar 15, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: Maybe a single "Get XWiki Enterprise" button that would go to a page explaining the various options: - download and install it - testdrive it on the playground - open a wiki on myxwiki.org (non profit org and individuals only, no SLA) - check the support page for companies offering hosting and special packages -Vincent

On 03/15/2010 06:25 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: I think that in the format the Silvia proposed in her other email, a newsletter would be good. Personally I don't like that monitoring an open source project usually involves two far-apart levels of granularity: - monitoring the mailing list(s) - coming from time to time to check if something happened Given that we don't have an announcements(a)xwiki.org list, a monthly newsletter is a great way of keeping users in touch, without making them monitor the mailing list. One thing we do better than most other projects is that we have a blog, but IMO it is still not enough. No, I disagree. Of course we shouldn't promote events where XWiki SAS as a company is clearly involved, but events that interest all our users. Do you want to say that our presence at the Paris JUG or Nantes JUG were not interesting for XWiki users, or actually any software user? I don't like our current @XWiki Twitter account, so I'd be -1 for promoting it. Another (English) account which would just mirror blog posts would be good, though. +1, but we're seeing the proposed features from different angles. I think they match this perspective. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

Sergiu Dumitriu-2 wrote: Hi, I'm going to make the same case for Twitter I made on the Incubator :) I'm +1 for a dedicated xwiki.org Twitter account. The account could serve both the purpose of a communication channel and helping our existing and potential users find their way around XWiki.org: As a communication channel the account could be used to broadcast: * XWiki releases and news * XWiki events that the community may take an interest in * XWiki.org blog posts * Tips about using XWiki * The latest XWiki contributions * OS events and news Answering questions and approaching potential users: * The go to place for existing and potential users that are not inclined to use the lists to address questions about XWiki. * Attract new users by introducing them to XWiki. These are people already searching for an open source wiki, asking for recommendations on Twitter. Their needs could be met by XWiki products, applications, etc., but they haven't yet heard of the project. WDYT? ----- Silvia Rusu Tester & Documentation Writer - XWiki http://twitter.com/silviarusu -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Proposal-XWiki-org-horizontal-navigation-home-page-tp3… Sent from the XWiki- Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

On 03/16/2010 11:17 AM, Silvia Rusu wrote: +1 on these, except the last one, which gets a +0; it's hard to define what is important for our followers in terms of Open Source/Free Software. -1. - User questions can't be answered in a tweet, maybe just as "See this pastebin" - Tweets aren't archived and searchable, like a mailing list or a website. - It's hard to make contributions to a tweet "discussion". -0, personally I don't like if a product approaches me directly: XWiki.org says "Try xwiki.org" This is too commercial, and a much too commercial push scares (some) users away. I prefer recommendations from Real People. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

Hi, Thank you all for the feedback. I've changed the mockup to hopefully include as many of your propositions: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Mockups/Homepage * I think it's best if the users know as they get to the homepage there is a way of playing with XWiki without installing it. If we were to have one button that says "Get XWiki Enterprise" they might think they must download something (I know I would). This may be an extra effort they're not inclined to make. As a result I've changed "Try XWiki Enterprise Now" to "Play With XWiki Enterprise", which sounds more "neutral" and is a reference to the playground. * I've removed the events section. However to keep events visible I've added a link to events in the news section. * Giuseppe proposed on another topic that we reference testimonials from XWiki users. I think this is a very good idea. I've added a link to the testimonials page where people can read what users have to say about XWiki (this is positioned above the News section) * To make the site less corporate and more about the community I've changed/added the following: - Added the latest additions panel for plugins, applications, etc. - Replaced "subscribe to the newsletter" with "subscribe to the mailing lists"; Added a link to read the latest discussions - Added a "Community Stats" section with a "How do I contribute?" link under the stats (this replaces the previous "Events" section). I hope this proposition is closer to what everyone would like to see on the homepage and it would be great if you could offer some more feedback. Thanks ----- Silvia Rusu Tester & Documentation Writer - XWiki http://twitter.com/silviarusu -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Proposal-XWiki-org-horizontal-navigation-home-page-tp3… Sent from the XWiki- Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Hi Vincent, On 3/16/2010 12:20 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: I've removed the panel. We'll be able to better tell how it all fits once Caty and Ciprian put this in practice. I like the list of features. There's a higher probability of catching user interest. How about we see how this looks in practice and then decide? Since the majority feel we don't need separate News/Blog sections I merged the news with the blog in one panel on the right (there is still a link to events). This cleared space for a "Latest Additions" section right on the homepage WDYT? I also removed the Twitter panel, which accompanied by the deletion of the mailing list panel cleared enough space to include a "New in Documentation" panel. http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Mockups/Homepage ----- Silvia Rusu Tester & Documentation Writer - XWiki http://twitter.com/silviarusu -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Proposal-XWiki-org-horizontal-navigation-home-page-tp3… Sent from the XWiki- Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote: +1 It's easy if we have an Announcement category in the blog indeed. There's only 1 potential problem. whenever the content changes the RSS client will receive a modified RSS content so it may cause the item to be marked as new again. Not sure, this needs to be verified. Otherwise +1, we could have a blog category for this too. However I'd display it not mixed with announcements since there might be a lot of extension changes. Thanks -Vincent

Would be interesting to see some use cases that show the steps the user has to follow from the home page to the piece of information she/he's looking for. Example: I want to report a bug. What's the shortest path from xwiki.org home page to jira.xwiki.org . Thanks, Marius Silvia Rusu wrote:

Hi, *General Proposal: * http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2 *Main Page: * http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2M… The main page has a different layout from the rest of the pages; - The footer<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrg… used to have a quick overview on the major topics the website covers; - just the Main Page has this footer; - contains just links to major topics for each category; - The Projects are presented in an carousel: XWiki Enterprise, XWiki Office, Extensions + other Temporal Thematic Pages (major releases, events, etc); - Right panels contains Latest information; *Documentation Page Example*: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2D… - Right Panels are changing according to the space; - Main Navigation + Left Oriented Secondary Navigation + Breadcrumb; - Comments enabled for documentation pages *Projects Page Example*: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2P… *About Page Example*: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2A… Thanks, Caty

The light background colors and less borders give it a less claustrophobic look which I like. I also like the fact that more information is available on the pages shown than the pages they are to replace. It's easier to see links than it is in the current version, and i don't see any major contrast issues although you might consider darkening the grey text ("Get started" under "About XWiki") but I have no problem reading it and so I have no complaints. Looks good. Caleb Ecaterina Valica wrote:

Just to be clear: your proposal is great Caty but I think it's not adapted for what I envision for the new xwiki.org. I'd really like that we think about a community web site: - a one line project description (ecosystem) with a link to "projects" - a small space reserved to XE (just an image that can be clicked for ex) - a large space reserved for the community as described below. Thanks -Vincent On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge &lt;guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: +1 JV.

Hi, I like the proposal. Sure, some stuff could be improved, but from my point of view it's an important step in the right direction. I like the way tabs are implemented, with the grey background for the whole content + panels in a selected tab. The footer brings a nice touch, maybe we should consider having it at the very bottom of all pages? Having it appear / disappear isn't very consistent. Guillaume On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Ecaterina Valica &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/

On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: I have seen this page but it's a bit of a mess, there are lots of stuff everywhere. So does it mean Silvia is removing her proposals? I have a large screen so I'll be fine but I was wondering if the main content area will be enough on 1024px screens with both left and right menus (when we display images for ex). Doesn't it fit with one panel only? Anyway, 2 panels are ok for me if we think they're needed. Horizontal menu is good (it's even me who proposed it initially! :)). It's just that they don't look like tabs (as explained by the "don't make me think" guy). ok cool, so it *does* scroll! Which is good since that's what I thought it would do without realizing it was a caroussel :) I understand now. I didn't know the main content was a carousel. It's actually already in the general description where it says "... and projects developed on top of it". WDYM by "target"? Why is it in green, located on the right of the header? Why do we need it on the main page? Cannot it be located on the project page? hmm... Ok.... we still need a general dashboard to have a global vision of what has been modified in the whole wiki but that could be on the Community page I guess. Ok now I understand. I had not seen that you had split what currently exists on dev.xwiki.org into 2: - Community - Developers I think it's ok after all. This is not exactly what I had in mind but it's ok I guess. So we have a corporate-like web site, except for the Community part. Yes in Community WebHome then. Developers are part of the the Community but you can have Community members not part of the development team. Said differently: For me Community = any way to contribute to xwiki (including being a committer) Developers = practices for committers I'm still unsure if we should split Developers from Community but we'll see later on. More Comments ============= * Documentation should have submenus to see what product it is documenting. I don't see that in your screenshot. Also, we need to decide how we do platform documentation vs project documentation. Thus I'd like to see Documentation home page. * Same thing for Projects. I'd like to see the Project home page. I don't understand the difference between Project and Document. For me, Projects tab gives a list of all projects, explain what they do. When you go on a project home page you get to see more details, stats, etc and a Documentation link that goes to the same place as the Documentation horizontal nav. * I don't like the "About XWiki" page. It's actually content for the Community area. But we could rewrite it differently. * "Get Involved" is that same as Community for me. We should remove one of them. * As stated in the bullet point above there's a pb with the Documentation submenu in the footer since each product has its own documentation. How do we want to handle that? Thanks -Vincent

Hi Caty, On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Ecaterina Valica &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I think that Vincent's issue is with the homepage -> on the homepage you don't clearly see those are tabs (because the main content of the page is not supposed to be in one of the top tabs). That's what makes it disturbing. On all the other pages it looks good. Guillaume -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/

Hi Vincent, Vincent Massol wrote: I like the contextual tree view in the left panel of documentation pages very much. Caty said "The Projects are presented in an carousel". +1 They look good to me. I'd like to see this too, but on the Community and Development page, as Caty suggested. Thanks, Marius

Hi Caty, A couple of observations: 1. I am not sure about having the download button on the left on the homepage / on the right on the other pages. 2. Maybe it's better if we keep the same link order from the menu in the footer as much as possible. Right now that would mean having about, projects, documentation, development, community in the footer or changing the order of the links in the upper menu. WDYT? On 3/25/2010 1:36 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: ----- Silvia Rusu Tester & Documentation Writer - XWiki http://twitter.com/silviarusu -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Proposal-XWiki-org-horizontal-navigation-home-page-tp3… Sent from the XWiki- Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

On Mar 25, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: We have some in the Architecture page: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/Architecture Now with your proposal it doesn't make sense anymore to have this on the home page IMO. Thanks -Vincent