Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: +1 Thanks, Marius

On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:35 PM, [Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team wrote: This is about cleaning up. No system can go on indefinitely by keeping everything online. The strategy is simple: - you backup (as we do every day) and remove things that shouldn't be kept. They're still available on backup should they be needed one day. As for revisions we'll need a way in the future to be able to maintain that too since they grow quite large. I don't agree about absolutely keeping old things online when they're not needed anymore. If we had done this we would still live with some mess of xwiki.org as it was back in 2005-2006. The main point of a wiki is to *NOT* keep stale things by applying constant refactorings (which is what I suggest) so I definitely don't agree about using a wiki as an archival system (there are way better solutions for that) :) Thanks -Vincent

On Aug 18, 2009, at 1:01 AM, [Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team wrote: This is the usual question and the answer is usually that you need to keep a reader able to read them along with the data. Even more you need to maintain the reader over time to ensure it continues running on the hardware. Then how long the data is kept online completely depends on the domain and use case. In your case you could keep it 10 years online or more. Provided you have enough disk space and your DB is correctly indexed, that should work fine. For a documentation site it's a bit more problematic since the site needs to be relatively clean and when users go to it they should not feel it's a mess or a work in progress too much since otherwise this feeling will reflect on their feeling for the software. In the case at hand it's acceptable since it's on the dev wiki and not the main documentation wikis. Well I think we both agree: 1) wikis are tools that make it easy to keep stuff up to date and apply refactorings to content 2) in general it's bad form to loose content For 2) I was focusing on the content representing the solution in the design docs which I was proposing to drop from the design doc since I was proposing to move it elsewhere (in the main doc location). However I was indeed also suggesting to loose content (which was the comments in the design docs or some intermediary steps that allowed us to reach the final solution). However Sergiu didn't agree and I could understand why. So I backtracked and I've moved done design docs in a DesignArchive space. At some points it'll get removed but it'll probably be in a few years now. Thanks -Vincent

hi On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:06 AM, [Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team <webmaster(a)environmentalchange.net> wrote: What do you mean because when I always get the same number of hits with 30 hits per presentation page and 3 pages... From my point of view of XWiki.org user, sometimes, there are some strange results or no result but I think this is due to the fact that the site content has been changed or the server redeployed and lucene has not indexed everything yet or there has been a problem while indexing. I've already asked several times about it and each time, when people look at my problem, it's OK again because lucene periodically indexes as far as I remember :) But you may speak about something else... What do you do today with your 10s of HardDrives with Mo, Go of deprecated data you don't even remember even if they could be interesting... The loss of digital information meaning also the loss of knowledge and maybe the loss of a part of our history will be one of the challenge in the future (this phrase is too serious so I put a smiley at the end :))... but there is also the case when some info keep going on internet and you would like it to be erased but it's almost impossible :):):)

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM, [Ricardo Rodriguez] Your EPEC Network ICT Team <webmaster(a)environmentalchange.net> wrote: Ricardo, I want to keep the copyright of my sentence and let Vincent with his sentence and I really disagree with him because my imagination has no limit :)

On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: I understand your point, which is to not loose the "discussion" that produced the designs, including comments from people, etc. BTW we already have a "Completed" state in Design. However you don't see it when you browse the design space using XEclipse or WebDAV so at the very minimum moving them out in a DesignArchive space would help. Ok I'll move them there for now even though the likelihood that we'll need them is probably low. Then this additional stuff needs to be documented properly somewhere IMO. Thanks for the feedback -Vincent