2 Jan
2018
2 Jan
'18
10:48 p.m.
See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a nice option when using
the {{html}} macro for example.
{{html}}
{{thymeleaf}}
…
{{/thymeleaf}}
{{/html}}
Related:
* https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-deprecated-velocity
Thanks
-Vincent
2 Jan
2 Jan
11:46 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Idea] Look at Thymeleaf as an optional templating language?
Looks like an interesting project, however I'm not sure about how active it is.
On github there are 1145 stars whereas the pug templating language has 15820.
Just important to avoid jumping from one sinking ship to another ;)
https://github.com/thymeleaf/thymeleaf
https://github.com/pugjs/pug
Thanks,
Caleb
On 02/01/18 22:48, Vincent Massol wrote:
See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a nice option when using
the {{html}} macro for example.
{{html}}
{{thymeleaf}}
…
{{/thymeleaf}}
{{/html}}
Related:
* https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-deprecated-velocity
Thanks
-Vincent
3 Jan
3 Jan
9:47 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Idea] Look at Thymeleaf as an optional templating language?
On 2 Jan 2018, at 23:46, Caleb James DeLisle
<cjd(a)cjdns.fr> wrote:
Looks like an interesting project, however I'm not sure about how active it is.
On github there are 1145 stars whereas the pug templating language has 15820.
Just important to avoid jumping from one sinking ship to another ;)
Definitely. Note that my idea here was more of suggesting exploring some other templating
languages that would be initially added as a contrib project, rather than replacing
Velocity. But you’re perfectly right, if someone is willing to work on this, we might as
well pick the right one.
However note that pug is not a candidate since it’s not java-based and is for Node.js.
Regarding activity https://github.com/thymeleaf/thymeleaf/graphs/contributors shows one
active committer. So that’s indeed a bit low (even though there are recent releases).
Thanks
-Vincent
https://github.com/thymeleaf/thymeleaf
https://github.com/pugjs/pug
Thanks,
Caleb
On 02/01/18 22:48, Vincent Massol wrote:
> See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
>
> With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a nice option when
using the {{html}} macro for example.
>
> {{html}}
> {{thymeleaf}}
> …
> {{/thymeleaf}}
> {{/html}}
>
> Related:
> * https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-deprecated-velocity
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>
9:55 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Idea] Look at Thymeleaf as an optional templating language?
Pug has a java implementation:
https://github.com/pugjs/pug => java => https://github.com/neuland/jade4j
paul
On 3 Jan 2018, at 9:47, Vincent Massol wrote:
Just important to avoid jumping from one sinking ship
to another ;)
Definitely. Note that my idea here was more of suggesting exploring some other templating
languages that would be initially added as a contrib project, rather than replacing
Velocity. But you’re perfectly right, if someone is willing to work on this, we might as
well pick the right one.
However note that pug is not a candidate since it’s not java-based and is for Node.js.
11:09 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Idea] Look at Thymeleaf as an optional templating language?
On 3 Jan 2018, at 09:55, Paul Libbrecht
<paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
Pug has a java implementation:
https://github.com/pugjs/pug => java => https://github.com/neuland/jade4j
Thanks Paul.
Doesn’t seem that active either: https://github.com/neuland/jade4j/graphs/contributors
BTW there were several other suggestions in the link I gave:
https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-deprecated-velocity
Pebble, Freemarker
Freemarker is one that we’ve been wanting to investigate for a long time already:
https://freemarker.apache.org/
https://github.com/apache/incubator-freemarker (again mostly one active contributor).
We would need to see what it would bring over Velocity for ex. since there’s little point
to changing if it doesn’t bring advantages.
Thanks
-Vincent
paul
On 3 Jan 2018, at 9:47, Vincent Massol wrote:
> Just important to avoid jumping from one sinking ship to another ;)
>
>
> Definitely. Note that my idea here was more of suggesting exploring some other
templating languages that would be initially added as a contrib project, rather than
replacing Velocity. But you’re perfectly right, if someone is willing to work on this, we
might as well pick the right one.
>
> However note that pug is not a candidate since it’s not java-based and is for
Node.js.
12:07 p.m.
Note that the code you indicated in you first message cannot work
since the {{thymeleaf}} wiki syntax would not be executed.
As for the idea in general, supporting as many languages as we can is
always interesting.
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
On 3 Jan 2018, at 09:55, Paul Libbrecht
<paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
Pug has a java implementation:
https://github.com/pugjs/pug => java => https://github.com/neuland/jade4j
Thanks Paul.
Doesn’t seem that active either: https://github.com/neuland/jade4j/graphs/contributors
BTW there were several other suggestions in the link I gave:
https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-deprecated-velocity
Pebble, Freemarker
Freemarker is one that we’ve been wanting to investigate for a long time already:
https://freemarker.apache.org/
https://github.com/apache/incubator-freemarker (again mostly one active contributor).
We would need to see what it would bring over Velocity for ex. since there’s little point
to changing if it doesn’t bring advantages.
Thanks
-Vincent
paul
On 3 Jan 2018, at 9:47, Vincent Massol wrote:
> Just important to avoid jumping from one sinking ship to another ;)
>
>
> Definitely. Note that my idea here was more of suggesting exploring some other
templating languages that would be initially added as a contrib project, rather than
replacing Velocity. But you’re perfectly right, if someone is willing to work on this, we
might as well pick the right one.
>
> However note that pug is not a candidate since it’s not java-based and is for
Node.js.
10:01 a.m.
From the home page it looks very HTML oriented, which
is not good for us. I
think we need a general purpose templating language that can
be used to
generate anything (JSON, XML, CSV, etc.) not just HTML.
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a nice
option when using the {{html}} macro for example.
{{html}}
{{thymeleaf}}
…
{{/thymeleaf}}
{{/html}}
Related:
* https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-
deprecated-velocity
Thanks
-Vincent
11:04 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Idea] Look at Thymeleaf as an optional templating language?
On 3 Jan 2018, at 10:01, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
From the home page it looks very HTML oriented, which is not good for us. I
think we need a general purpose templating language that can be used to
generate anything (JSON, XML, CSV, etc.) not just HTML.
Yes it looks HTML-oriented indeed.
However as I mentioned in my initial message, I think that could be a good thing actually.
Right now it’s a pain to write UIs in wiki pages because HTML and Velocity don’t play very
well together, and wiki syntax is absolutely not great to generate UI).
So I see a use case for an HTML-oriented scripting templating language.
Note that my goal with this thread was not to suggest a replacement for Velocity. I just
saw some twitter post that thymeleaf had just released a new version and since I
remembered hearing the name, I thought about mentioning an idea here that it could be
interesting to investigate.
Right now, I don’t see the issue with Velocity. It’s very simple and stable. Maybe some
competitors could have better perfs I don’t know (there are still things we can tune with
Velocity I believe).
But it would be interesting to list the features/use cases we’d like to see in a new
general purpose templating language for XWiki and that Velocity doesn’t support.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
>
> With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a nice
> option when using the {{html}} macro for example.
>
> {{html}}
> {{thymeleaf}}
> …
> {{/thymeleaf}}
> {{/html}}
>
> Related:
> * https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-
> deprecated-velocity
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>
4 Jan
4 Jan
11:24 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
From the home page it looks very HTML oriented, which
is not good for us. I
think we need a general purpose templating language that can be used to
generate anything (JSON, XML, CSV, etc.) not just HTML.
Yeah, my first impression was that it looks very similar to JSF, maybe a
bit simplified and less configuration needy.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a nice
option when using the {{html}} macro for example.
{{html}}
{{thymeleaf}}
…
{{/thymeleaf}}
{{/html}}
Related:
* https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-
deprecated-velocity
Thanks
-Vincent
12:35 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Idea] Look at Thymeleaf as an optional templating language?
Well, HTML is what people understand.
XSL-FO would not be very widespread.
What other language do you want the tempting language to orient itself on?
paul
On 4 Jan 2018, at 11:24, Eduard Moraru wrote:
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea
<
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
From the home page it looks very HTML oriented,
which is not good for us. I
think we need a general purpose templating language that can be used to
generate anything (JSON, XML, CSV, etc.) not just HTML.
Yeah, my first impression was that it looks very similar to JSF, maybe a
bit simplified and less configuration needy.
Thanks,
Eduard
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
>> See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
>>
>> With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a nice
>> option when using the {{html}} macro for example.
>>
>> {{html}}
>> {{thymeleaf}}
>> …
>> {{/thymeleaf}}
>> {{/html}}
>>
>> Related:
>> * https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-
>> deprecated-velocity
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>
>
12:47 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
Well, HTML is what people understand.
XSL-FO would not be very widespread.
What other language do you want the tempting language
to orient itself on?
None. I want to be able to use the templating language to generate JSON,
XML, CSV, etc. i.e. whatever text format I need. For instance I want to
generate the live table results JSON using the templating language like I
do now with Velocity.
paul
On 4 Jan 2018, at 11:24, Eduard Moraru wrote:
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Marius Dumitru
Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> From the home page it looks very HTML oriented, which is not good for
us. I
think we
need a general purpose templating language that can be used to
generate anything (JSON, XML, CSV, etc.) not just HTML.
Yeah, my first impression was that it looks very similar to JSF, maybe a
bit simplified and less configuration needy.
Thanks,
Eduard
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
>> See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
>>
>> With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a nice
>> option when using the {{html}} macro for example.
>>
>> {{html}}
>> {{thymeleaf}}
>> …
>> {{/thymeleaf}}
>> {{/html}}
>>
>> Related:
>> * https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-
>> deprecated-velocity
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>
>
12:58 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Idea] Look at Thymeleaf as an optional templating language?
On 4 Jan 2018, at 12:47, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
What’s the problem with velocity?
Thanks
-Vincent
Well, HTML is what people understand.
XSL-FO would not be very widespread.
What other language do you want the tempting
language to orient itself on?
None. I want to be able to use the templating language to generate JSON,
XML, CSV, etc. i.e. whatever text format I need. For instance I want to
generate the live table results JSON using the templating language like I
do now with Velocity.
>
> paul
>
> On 4 Jan 2018, at 11:24, Eduard Moraru wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
>> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From the home page it looks very HTML oriented, which is not good for
> us. I
>>> think we need a general purpose templating language that can be used to
>>> generate anything (JSON, XML, CSV, etc.) not just HTML.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, my first impression was that it looks very similar to JSF, maybe a
>> bit simplified and less configuration needy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eduard
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
>>>>
>>>> With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a nice
>>>> option when using the {{html}} macro for example.
>>>>
>>>> {{html}}
>>>> {{thymeleaf}}
>>>> …
>>>> {{/thymeleaf}}
>>>> {{/html}}
>>>>
>>>> Related:
>>>> * https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-
>>>> deprecated-velocity
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
1:51 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
on?
None. I want to be able to use the templating language to generate JSON,
XML, CSV, etc. i.e. whatever text format I need. For instance I want to
generate the live table results JSON using the templating language like I
do now with Velocity.
What’s the problem with velocity?
Velocity is a bit slow I think, in any case way slower than executing Java
code directly (e.g. if you compare a Java REST resource with its equivalent
written in Velocity in a wiki page). Thomas probably knows more. Now I
don't know if the other templating engines are faster. Anyway, I was just
replying to Paul.
On 4 Jan 2018, at 12:47, Marius Dumitru Florea
<
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net>
wrote:
Well, HTML is what people understand.
XSL-FO would not be very widespread.
> What other language do you want the tempting language to orient itself
Thanks
-Vincent
>
> paul
>
> On 4 Jan 2018, at 11:24, Eduard Moraru wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
>> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From the home page it looks very HTML oriented, which is not good for
> us. I
>>> think we need a general purpose templating language that can be used
to
>>> generate anything (JSON, XML, CSV,
etc.) not just HTML.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, my first impression was that it looks very similar to JSF, maybe
a
>> bit simplified and less configuration
needy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eduard
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> See http://www.thymeleaf.org/
>>>>
>>>> With this, users could combine HTML and scripting which could be a
nice
>>>> option when using the {{html}}
macro for example.
>>>>
>>>> {{html}}
>>>> {{thymeleaf}}
>>>> …
>>>> {{/thymeleaf}}
>>>> {{/html}}
>>>>
>>>> Related:
>>>> * https://dzone.com/articles/template-engines-review-after-
>>>> deprecated-velocity
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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