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Ecaterina Valica

21 Sep 2010 21 Sep '10

12:46 p.m.

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input. Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration Category: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… Section: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro… This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… Thanks, Caty

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Vincent Massol

21 Sep 21 Sep

12:57 p.m.

Hi Caty, On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

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This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input. Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment: - Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able to contribute config in any area (e.g. look & feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose. - On http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… I really don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on the right. Thanks -Vincent

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Category: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… Section: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro… This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… Thanks, Caty

Ecaterina Valica

1:46 p.m.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 13:57, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:

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Hi Caty, On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input. Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment: - Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able to contribute config in any area (e.g. look & feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose. - On http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… really don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on the right.

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

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Thanks -Vincent

Category:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Section:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro…

This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Thanks, Caty

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Vincent Massol

2:04 p.m.

On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 13:57, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:

Hi Caty, On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input. Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment: - Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able to contribute config in any area (e.g. look & feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose. - On http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… really don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on the right.

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Nicer IMO :) Thanks -Vincent

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>> Category: >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… >> Section: >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… >> >> The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro… >> >> This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… >> >> Thanks, >> Caty

Thomas Mortagne

2:49 p.m.

First of all: it looks great ! I don't like uppercase but looks like it's only me. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:

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Hi Caty, On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input. Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Same for me, an application should be able to provide its category/subcategory/etc.

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- On http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… I really don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on the right. Thanks -Vincent

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Jerome Velociter

4:25 p.m.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:

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First of all: it looks great ! I don't like uppercase but looks like it's only me. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:

Hi Caty, On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input. Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment: - Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move

even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able to contribute config in any area (e.g. look & feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose. Same for me, an application should be able to provide its category/subcategory/etc.

I would say same BUT "Applications" as a top level category makes sense. What category would you put Meeting Manager under otherwise ? same for Polls, Expense reports, etc. Jerome.

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- On

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… really don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on the right.

Thanks -Vincent > Category: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

> Section: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

> > The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro…

> > This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Thanks, Caty

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Marius Dumitru Florea

5:55 p.m.

On 09/21/2010 05:25 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:

First of all: it looks great ! I don't like uppercase but looks like it's only me. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:57, Vincent Massol<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:

Hi Caty, On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input. Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment: - Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move

even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able to contribute config in any area (e.g. look& feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose. Same for me, an application should be able to provide its category/subcategory/etc.

...

I would say same BUT "Applications" as a top level category makes sense. What category would you put Meeting Manager under otherwise ? same for Polls, Expense reports, etc.

+1, I too think the "Applications" category is needed in the administration. Thanks, Marius

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Jerome.

- On

Thanks -Vincent > Category: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

> Section: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

> > The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro…

> > This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Thanks, Caty

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Vincent Massol

6:13 p.m.

On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:

First of all: it looks great ! I don't like uppercase but looks like it's only me. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:

Hi Caty, On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input. Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment: - Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move

I would say same BUT "Applications" as a top level category makes sense. What category would you put Meeting Manager under otherwise ? same for Polls, Expense reports, etc.

You'd need a bit of imagination Jerome! :) Meeting Manager --> category = "Organisation", "People", "Scheduling". It would be the same category as apps like the Calendar app and maybe the Scheduler app too. Expense Report --> category = "Human Resources" Polls --> category = "Reporting". Maybe in the same category as the Stats app. In any case since everything is an app you need categories and not just "Applications" which doesn't mean much at all since you'd need to justify why some apps have their own special categories and why others go in the one named "stuff", err.... "Applications"... ;) Thanks -Vincent

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Jerome. >> >> - On > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… really don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space > available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful > and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields > for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on > the right. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> Category: >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… >>> Section: >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… >>> >>> The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro… >>> >>> This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Caty

Jerome Velociter

8:06 p.m.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:

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On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote: > First of all: it looks great ! > > I don't like uppercase but looks like it's only me. > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>

wrote:

>> Hi Caty, >> >> On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: >> >>> This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs

for

>>> grouping instead of the current select input. >>> >>> Proposal: >>>

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

>> >> Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment: >> >> - Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move > even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able

contribute config in any area (e.g. look & feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose. Same for me, an application should be able to provide its category/subcategory/etc.

I would say same BUT "Applications" as a top level category makes sense. What category would you put Meeting Manager under otherwise ? same for Polls, Expense reports, etc.

You'd need a bit of imagination Jerome! :)

Meeting Manager --> category = "Organisation", "People", "Scheduling". It

...

would be the same category as apps like the Calendar app and maybe the Scheduler app too. Expense Report --> category = "Human Resources" Polls --> category = "Reporting". Maybe in the same category as the Stats app.

OK, then it means you have dynamic categories, and admins can add new categories (otherwise you would probably get stuck at some point by your very specific business applications that do not fit in any generic categories we've pre-defined). Which is probably the way to go, indeed.

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In any case since everything is an app you need categories and not just "Applications" which doesn't mean much at all since you'd need to justify why some apps have their own special categories and why others go in the one named "stuff", err.... "Applications"... ;)

I think there are two things we should not confuse : - Everything is an application from a technical PoV. Most of the users do not care about that (for example they don't care knowing the annotations, or the administration, or the dashboard is an app. They are just interested in their features). Take Facebook, and imagine the "messages" feature is internally built as a an application of the facebook platform (so same thing as Farmville). As a user, I don't see it, and I (very likely) don't care. - New applications can be downloaded from the (to be) App store, including third-party apps. This, people are interested in. Both cases use the same terminology, but I believe they are distinct in nature. "everything is an application and all applications should be treated equally" works for XWiki as a platform, but not for XE as a product (as an example : I don't think we would want to let people uninstall the admin application from with-in XE UI). Jerome.

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Thanks -Vincent

Jerome. >> >> - On >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space

> available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste

useful

> and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version

fields

> for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available

> the right. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> Category: >>> >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

>>> Section: >>> >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

>>> >>> The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: >>> >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro…

>>> >>> This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: >>> >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

>>> >>> Thanks, >>> Caty

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Jean-Vincent Drean

1:01 p.m.

Huge +1, mockups are gorgeous :) JV. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Jerome Velociter

4:26 p.m.

Great work, I like it a lot +1 to have this in 2.5 if we can Jerome. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Ecaterina Valica

5:23 p.m.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 17:26, Jerome Velociter <jerome.xwiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Great work, I like it a lot +1 to have this in 2.5 if we can

Category Prototype: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AdministrationCate… Section Prototype: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AdministrationSect… They need to be cleaned. @Thomas: from consistency reasons we have uppercase in Colibri. Thanks, Caty

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Jerome. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com

wrote:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Section:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro…

This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Thanks, Caty _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Thomas Mortagne

5:40 p.m.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 17:23, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 17:26, Jerome Velociter <jerome.xwiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Great work, I like it a lot +1 to have this in 2.5 if we can

I know but that does not make me like it more, maybe Colibri is wrong ;)

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Thanks, Caty

Jerome. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com

wrote:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Section:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro…

This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Thanks, Caty _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Marius Dumitru Florea

6:04 p.m.

I'm not a big fun of gradients and 3D effects (yep, I prefer http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration… ) but otherwise I like it. Well done! Thanks, Marius On 09/21/2010 01:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

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Raluca Stavro

22 Sep 22 Sep

9:22 a.m.

Very nice ! (full CSS menu, cross-browser, no images besides the category icons). I'm also +1 for 100% length of the form fields. Raluca. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:

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Thibaut Camberlin

16 Oct 16 Oct

10:23 p.m.

+1, the new admin looks very nice! One remark: A section that is hovered could have the same color (or slightly different) as an active section. It seems that currently only the text is underlined when we hover the section. Also +1 for 100% length of form fields. But then it becomes not very clear what Customize button is linked to (Skin or colorTheme). Maybe it could be put right after the label. Thanks, -- Thibaut On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Raluca Stavro <raluca.morosan(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:

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I'm not a big fun of gradients and 3D effects (yep, I prefer

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

) but otherwise I like it. Well done! Thanks, Marius On 09/21/2010 01:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: > This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for > grouping instead of the current select input. > > Proposal: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration > Category: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

> Section: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

> > The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#pro…

> > This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration…

Thanks, Caty _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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