On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote: Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent from http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x…

Thanks, Caty On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: > Hi Caty, > >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI, see >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ > NotificationsImprovements9x >> >> Let me know what you think. > > Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app? > > For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and you > differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification? > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> >> Thanks, >> Caty > >

On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: Another feedback/questions: * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile? * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)

Thanks -Vincent

so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS) created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”. Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done? My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by entity anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed for the same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.

Thanks -Vincent wrote: NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes stopped at the overview :) combination of app type + event type. the event type. lot of apps can have a RSS feed. find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type. wrote: valicac(a)gmail.com> UI, see and you

On 3 Oct 2017, at 09:54, Guillaume Delhumeau <guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote: So your proposal focuses a lot more on the users instead of the apps (like facebook for example). It's OK for me, but I think the type icon (create, edit, comment, etc...) is too small compared to the user face. Actually when I see these screenshot, my first impression is that the user has been modified :) Would it be nice to have the type icon bigger than the user face? To me, what happened is more important than who made it, but maybe it's only my feeling.

Nice work anyway, as usual :) Guillaume 2017-10-03 9:50 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau <guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau <guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote: (like user the Pretty much the same comments on my side. I find weird to focus that much on users, I would have preferred images corresponding on the change made.

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2017-10-03 17:34 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>: But Facebook, for example, is a social network. It focuses on people by nature. On XWiki, it is not that evident. In the case of a knowledge base, you focus more on the content (the knowledge) than on the people. On xwiki.org, I guess you prefer seeing what's change instead of who made some changes... If we define XWiki as a collaboration tool, then you collaborate to create something and so the focus is naturally more on that "something". Just my 2 cents :)

-- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

2017-10-03 17:34 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>: than but But Facebook, for example, is a social network. It focuses on people by nature. On XWiki, it is not that evident. In the case of a knowledge base, you focus more on the content (the knowledge) than on the people. On xwiki.org, I guess you prefer seeing what's change instead of who made some changes...

If we define XWiki as a collaboration tool, then you collaborate to create something and so the focus is naturally more on that "something". Just my 2 cents :) see composite which bottom harder -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

Hi, I was wondering if we could identify the center point of an notification by considering the action that the current user (receiving the notification) did to subscribe to that event, i.e. what actually interests the current user. 1) Now, if we consider the Watchlist approach where a user goes to a page/wiki and clicks "watch"/"subscribe", then we could see the point of interest as the content... since the user wants to be notified when changes are made to that content... by whoever. ... in this case, it makes sense to see the events of, say the recent 24 hours, grouped by pages and only in their details to see which users and what even types they performed. 2) If we consider going to the user profile and clicking "follow", then the current user is interested in the getting notifications of the changes done by that particular user, no matter the page. ... in this case, I would imagine the user expecting to see events in the last 24 hours grouped by users "i.e. user X worked on 5 pages" and, when expanding, to see which pages and what type of events... 3) Finally, there are applications, where events could be sent by either users of the application (e.g. Blog, AWM, etc.) or by the application itself (e.g. Meeting Manager/Calendar sending a reminder to the participants, 30 minutes before, about an upcoming meeting/event). ... in this case, the user subscribes to the application (or is automatically subscribed and can unsubscribe). Not sure if this helps to the discussion, just thought I'd share.

Thanks, Eduard On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com valicac(a)gmail.com > >: > > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Thomas Mortagne < > > > thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau > > > > &lt;guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > So your proposal focuses a lot more on the users instead of the > apps > > > > (like > > > > > facebook for example). It's OK for me, but I think the type icon > > > (create, > > > > > edit, comment, etc...) is too small compared to the user face. > > > > > > > > > > Actually when I see these screenshot, my first impression is that > the > > > > user > > > > > has been modified :) Would it be nice to have the type icon bigger it, that > > > > much on users, I would have preferred images corresponding on the > > > > change made. > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what we want to focus on and also on what are user's > > > expectations. > > > If you look at the majority of notifcations in the wild, the user is > the > > > focus. > > > People want to know who did what, on what page, when. > > > > > > > But Facebook, for example, is a social network. It focuses on people by > > nature. On XWiki, it is not that evident. In the case of a knowledge > base, > > you focus more on the content (the knowledge) than on the people. On > > xwiki.org, I guess you prefer seeing what's change instead of who made > > some > > changes... > > > > > I know the pages are important, that's why the first link and item > displayed is the page name. > I want to know if a spam user did something. > > Thanks, > Caty > > > > If we define XWiki as a collaboration tool, then you collaborate to > create > > something and so the focus is naturally more on that "something". > > > > Just my 2 cents :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice work anyway, as usual :) > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > 2017-10-03 9:50 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < > > > > guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com > > > > >>: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> Another feedback/questions: > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user > profile? > > > > >>> >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for > page > > > > events > > > > >>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently I hours vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > >>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > >>> >>>> > > > > >>> >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent > > > > >>> >>>> from > > > > >>> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ > bin/view/Proposal/Notification > > > > >>> sImprovements9x#HEventTypes > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to > > bottom > > > > and > > > > >>> stopped at the overview :) > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique > icon > > > per > > > > >>> combination of app type + event type. > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type > and > > > one > > > > >>> for the event type. > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following > events: > > > > >>> >>> * When a blog post is published > > > > >>> >>> * When a blog post is created > > > > >>> >>> * When a blog post is removed > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 > > > events. > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau < guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: events entity user The focus of this proposal is on user, compared to the old one, when it was on the app/doc. Close to what we have on Facebool. So it didn't made sense that we say that a page has been edited by vmassol, and that the details showcase that multiple user actually did the edit.

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On 4 Oct 2017, at 12:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: The proposal is done as a prototype and I had no problems in displaying the events. Maybe there is something I'm missing? In theory, if another person changed something too, it should be displayed as a separate entry. I don't plan to cover that case.

I am not sure what exactly it's the problem with the watchlist and why it should be displayed as a tree.

If we like to propose an alternative view we could do it in a separate page, but the "Notifications menu" should be what users expect from a notification system and what they are used to see in other applications. If we want to propose something extra, more powerful, it should be additional and not the main design. Thanks, Caty > > Thanks, > > >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom >> and >>>> stopped at the overview :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon > per >>>> combination of app type + event type. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and > one >>> for >>>> the event type. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events: >>>>>>> * When a blog post is published >>>>>>> * When a blog post is created >>>>>>> * When a blog post is removed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 > events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog > app. >> A >>>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder >> to >>>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if > there’s >>> only >>>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol < >> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Caty, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our > Notifications >>>> UI, see >>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be >> displayed >>>> and you >>>>>>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or >>> modification? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>> >> > > > > -- > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > Committer on the XWiki.org project

2017-10-03 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: wrote: wrote: the I ago”. for was that In Facebook, you have it actually: https://pasteboard.co/GOioRAT.png On XWiki, we have the following (already implemented): https://pasteboard.co/GOiqgYf.png Thanks, per one events. app. there’s Notifications -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

On 12 Oct 2017, at 15:03, Guillaume Delhumeau &lt;guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: First of all, it looks very nice. Now, you said the events are displayed like in the notifications, but in the notifications they are ordered by dates, not by pages. Does your proposal imply to change the ordering? What about events that do not concern any page (like: "a new wiki has been created" or "a new XWiki version is available")? We don't have such events for now but we plan to have some soon. We could display them last for example. Nice CSS expand! Thanks you, 2017-10-12 14:47 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

On 17 Oct 2017, at 07:16, Guillaume Delhumeau &lt;guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: Some ideas. I have feedback about the fact the diff is way too technical for users. Example: "What does it means???" https://img15.hostingpics.net/ pics/670307example1.png So we could hide this in a "technical details" link.

The "details" link could be replaced by a "more" link, with a very simplified diff (the complete diff would go the the technical details view). In the body of the event, in addition with the title of the document, we could add some extracts of the diff. Example taken on gmail: https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/763456example2.png I hope it helps, Thanks 2017-10-12 15:38 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

Note that you have a mail template for the notifications too. It's https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ 83b76ed4c26954aa2755bbdce23b32c41725ac06/xwiki-platform- core/xwiki-platform-notifications/xwiki-platform- notifications-ui/src/main/resources/XWiki/Notifications/ MailTemplate.xml#L23 but it's not documented yet. This mail template allows you to customize the header and the footer of the email, but not the actual content. To be precise, each *event type* can have its own template or failback to the default one (https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ acdf68f4c0d20a9b44ea48eec4df808e22c54548/xwiki-platform- core/xwiki-platform-web/src/main/webapp/templates/ notification/email/default.html.vm) So it's a template *per event type* and it's not linked to any user choice. But we could add some options in the default template for example. 2017-10-17 16:23 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

Hi Guillaume, guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: coming This the current status: * Caty proposed some improved layout for displaying notifications * I commented about the need to display event + type, and about the need to have a link to see the diff. I also mentioned that we need to work on the mail template display * Caty replied and updated her proposal to take into account those comments. * I kind of like Caty’s proposal focused on the user. We want to favor contributions and I think it helps. It also makes the UI more appealing visually. * You mentioned that you’d prefer a proposal more focused on the event rather than the user * Thomas agrees with you * Edy mentioned some extra points So I guess we need to decide about whether we show the avatar as in Caty’s proposal or not, right? Is that what you’re asking about Guillaume? On my side, I don’t see the issue in displaying the user avatar large vs small. The events are still ordered by page events. Thanks -Vincent to example. users. to to link we it's but XWiki plan instead decide profile? page currently hours we icon and Blog

Hi Guillaume, guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: coming This the current status: * Caty proposed some improved layout for displaying notifications * I commented about the need to display event + type, and about the need to have a link to see the diff. I also mentioned that we need to work on the mail template display * Caty replied and updated her proposal to take into account those comments. * I kind of like Caty’s proposal focused on the user. We want to favor contributions and I think it helps. It also makes the UI more appealing visually. * You mentioned that you’d prefer a proposal more focused on the event rather than the user * Thomas agrees with you * Edy mentioned some extra points

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On 27 Oct 2017, at 17:31, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hi, So these are some more iterations for the notifications layout http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x… I've played with User centered vs. Event centered and variants for displaying the avatars, user names and event names. Let me know what version you prefer. Also you can fork the prototypes if you want to make some small changes. Thanks, Caty On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: > >> On 24 Oct 2017, at 11:24, Guillaume Delhumeau < > guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >> >> Hello >> >> 2017-10-24 11:12 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >> >>> Hi Guillaume, >>> >>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 10:58, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>> Any news on this? I'd like to implement this quickly because 9.10 is >>> coming >>>> :) >>> >>> This the current status: >>> * Caty proposed some improved layout for displaying notifications >>> * I commented about the need to display event + type, and about the need >>> to have a link to see the diff. I also mentioned that we need to work on >>> the mail template display >>> * Caty replied and updated her proposal to take into account those >>> comments. >>> * I kind of like Caty’s proposal focused on the user. We want to favor >>> contributions and I think it helps. It also makes the UI more appealing >>> visually. >>> * You mentioned that you’d prefer a proposal more focused on the event >>> rather than the user >>> * Thomas agrees with you >>> * Edy mentioned some extra points >>> >> >> I have also mentioned that the diff we propose is too technical for many >> users. > > Yes and we have 4 solutions: > > * Solution 1: make it simpler to understand for everyone > * Solution 2: have a wiki admin UI level option to select whether to > include diff or not in the default template + user-level profile UI option > (ie. per user) > * Solution 3: have a singe button in the mail, that, when clicked, > displays the diff (which is hidden by default) > * Solution 4: implement 2 mail templates (one for simple users and one for > advanced users) and let the users choose in their profile which one they > want to receive + have a wiki admin UI level option to decide which is the > default when not overridden by the user. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> >>> So I guess we need to decide about whether we show the avatar as in > Caty’s >>> proposal or not, right? Is that what you’re asking about Guillaume? >>> >>> On my side, I don’t see the issue in displaying the user avatar large vs >>> small. The events are still ordered by page events. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >> >> Thanks >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> 2017-10-23 13:19 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: >>>> >>>>> Note that you have a mail template for the notifications too. It's >>>>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ >>>>> 83b76ed4c26954aa2755bbdce23b32c41725ac06/xwiki-platform- >>>>> core/xwiki-platform-notifications/xwiki-platform- >>>>> notifications-ui/src/main/resources/XWiki/Notifications/ >>>>> MailTemplate.xml#L23 but it's not documented yet. >>>>> >>>>> This mail template allows you to customize the header and the footer > of >>>>> the email, but not the actual content. >>>>> >>>>> To be precise, each *event type* can have its own template or failback >>> to >>>>> the default one (https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ >>>>> acdf68f4c0d20a9b44ea48eec4df808e22c54548/xwiki-platform- >>>>> core/xwiki-platform-web/src/main/webapp/templates/ >>>>> notification/email/default.html.vm) >>>>> >>>>> So it's a template *per event type* and it's not linked to any user >>>>> choice. But we could add some options in the default template for >>> example. >>>>> >>>>> 2017-10-17 16:23 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Guillaume, >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2017, at 07:16, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some ideas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have feedback about the fact the diff is way too technical for >>> users. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Example: "What does it means???" https://img15.hostingpics.net/ >>>>>>> pics/670307example1.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So we could hide this in a "technical details" link. >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s one option but there’s another which is to provide the ability >>> to >>>>>> choose which mail template to use in the Admin and provide several >>>>>> templates for different needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example for the xwiki.org watchlist we absolutely need to be > able >>> to >>>>>> see the diffs without clicking a “technical details” link for each >>>>>> notification. It could be ok if there’s a single “technical details” >>> link >>>>>> for ALL notifications that shows all diffs at once. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "details" link could be replaced by a "more" link, with a very >>>>>>> simplified diff (the complete diff would go the the technical > details >>>>>> view). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the body of the event, in addition with the title of the > document, >>> we >>>>>>> could add some extracts of the diff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Example taken on gmail: >>>>>>> https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/763456example2.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope it helps, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2017-10-12 15:38 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looks nice. Does it work in all mail clients that support HTML? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd like an option to show the details for all events as otherwise >>> it's >>>>>>>> too painful to have to open all one by one (for the use case when > you >>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to check everything). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Same as Guillaume: not all events are page-related events. So we > need >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> handle those too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12 Oct 2017, at 15:03, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First of all, it looks very nice. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, you said the events are displayed like in the notifications, >>> but >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the notifications they are ordered by dates, not by pages. Does > your >>>>>>>>> proposal imply to change the ordering? What about events that do > not >>>>>>>>> concern any page (like: "a new wiki has been created" or "a new >>> XWiki >>>>>>>>> version is available")? We don't have such events for now but we >>> plan >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> have some soon. We could display them last for example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nice CSS expand! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks you, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2017-10-12 14:47 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is a proposal for the Notifications mail: >>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9xEmail >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've continued with the 'user' avatar focused proposal, since > I've >>>>>>>>>> currently focused on the email template. If we drop the user > avatar >>>>>>>> (since >>>>>>>>>> we group multiple users) then we can have the event/app icon >>> instead >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> avatar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What I want to have feedback on is the email layout, > functionality >>>>>> (tree >>>>>>>>>> navigation, details expanding) and styling. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can play with the Prototype >>>>>>>>>> http://jsfiddle.net/risherry/cj25759w/embedded/#Result >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If we were to translate to the mail template, there are still > some >>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> to be tested (like translating the CSS selectors into inline, >>> decide >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> email clients we support, etc.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me know, >>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-03 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net >> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol < > vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another feedback/questions: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user >>> profile? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for >>> page >>>>>>>>>>>> events >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have >>> currently >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> AS) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your > example I >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 >>> hours >>>>>>>>>>> ago”. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were > done? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but > not >>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>> entity >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events >>>>>> displayed >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And you could also have different users grouped in the same >>>>>> composite >>>>>>>>>>>>> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to > show >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>>>>>> made each event, and I see you have removed this info. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The focus of this proposal is on user, compared to the old one, >>>>>> when >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> on the app/doc. >>>>>>>>>>>> Close to what we have on Facebool. So it didn't made sense that >>> we >>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> a page has been edited by vmassol, and that the details > showcase >>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> multiple user actually did the edit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In Facebook, you have it actually: >>>>>>>>>>> https://pasteboard.co/GOioRAT.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On XWiki, we have the following (already implemented): >>>>>>>>>>> https://pasteboard.co/GOiqgYf.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol < > vincent(a)massol.net >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to >>>>>>>>>> bottom >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped at the overview :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique >>> icon >>>>>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination of app type + event type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type >>> and >>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the event type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following >>>>>> events: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is published >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is created >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is removed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the > 3 >>>>>>>>>>> events. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the >>> Blog >>>>>>>>>>> app. >>>>>>>>>>>> A >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and >>>>>>>>>> harder >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially > if >>>>>>>>>>> there’s >>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event > type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol < >>>>>>>>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Caty, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our >>>>>>>>>>> Notifications >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI, see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be >>>>>>>>>>>> displayed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or >>>>>>>>>>>>> modification? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >> Committer on the XWiki.org project > >

On 30 Oct 2017, at 12:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: There is only 1 icon if the action is done by the "Pages" app, coming from XWiki. I've considered that this is the main/default app, so we don't display it. It's the default. So if you have created, edited, delete, commented on a normal page, you get just the event action. If the page is special, coming from a particular application, then you have an additional icon, marking the application.

For me we always need 2 icons: I wouldn't drop the event icon since that's the most important piece of information now.

The grouping is done by page and by event. You want to know if someone deleted a new entry or just edited in a rapid way, without the need to read the text.

I have put all the icons on the left in order to be easier to scan for them in collapsed and expanded form. Having the icons on the right made the layout very centered-heavy + you didn't had the extremities in order to scan for them. So Guillaume and Clement like the event-focused view. I don't particularly like the big event icons. I find them more cold and less personal. So I prefer the users-centered version.

I like: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NotificationsImprovemen…

Now I haven't created versions for all the combinations, but we should decide if: - we want user focused vs. event focused layout - expanded version should have users or events on the left; - the summary should contain avatars or not for the users (important when there is a single user that did the event); - if / when we combine the users (when we have more than 2/3 users; always; I am lacking some information in order to get some statistical decisions. For example, in practice: - we have more individual events or more events done by multiple people? - how common is to group also events? the example with blog published that also has the create. Do we really need to display them? Also when creating an user profile we launch a multitude of edit events, should all those be displayed? Regarding the user vs. event focused layout: it's just in the layout and what we display on the first position, since I've kept the current page/event grouping that is currently implemented. The decision depends on how everyone is using the wiki: are they more interested in activity being done on the wiki or who actually did that activity?

I like to see who did what, but if the Notifications implementation will always group users and we will get the Group icon, than this might not be very nice. Thanks, Caty > Thanks > -Vincent > > >> On 27 Oct 2017, at 17:31, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> So these are some more iterations for the notifications layout >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ > NotificationsImprovements9xTypes >> >> I've played with User centered vs. Event centered and variants for >> displaying the avatars, user names and event names. >> >> Let me know what version you prefer. Also you can fork the prototypes if >> you want to make some small changes. >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > wrote: >> >>> >>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 11:24, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> 2017-10-24 11:12 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Guillaume, >>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 10:58, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Any news on this? I'd like to implement this quickly because 9.10 is >>>>> coming >>>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> This the current status: >>>>> * Caty proposed some improved layout for displaying notifications >>>>> * I commented about the need to display event + type, and about the > need >>>>> to have a link to see the diff. I also mentioned that we need to work > on >>>>> the mail template display >>>>> * Caty replied and updated her proposal to take into account those >>>>> comments. >>>>> * I kind of like Caty’s proposal focused on the user. We want to favor >>>>> contributions and I think it helps. It also makes the UI more > appealing >>>>> visually. >>>>> * You mentioned that you’d prefer a proposal more focused on the event >>>>> rather than the user >>>>> * Thomas agrees with you >>>>> * Edy mentioned some extra points >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have also mentioned that the diff we propose is too technical for > many >>>> users. >>> >>> Yes and we have 4 solutions: >>> >>> * Solution 1: make it simpler to understand for everyone >>> * Solution 2: have a wiki admin UI level option to select whether to >>> include diff or not in the default template + user-level profile UI > option >>> (ie. per user) >>> * Solution 3: have a singe button in the mail, that, when clicked, >>> displays the diff (which is hidden by default) >>> * Solution 4: implement 2 mail templates (one for simple users and one > for >>> advanced users) and let the users choose in their profile which one they >>> want to receive + have a wiki admin UI level option to decide which is > the >>> default when not overridden by the user. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> >>>>> So I guess we need to decide about whether we show the avatar as in >>> Caty’s >>>>> proposal or not, right? Is that what you’re asking about Guillaume? >>>>> >>>>> On my side, I don’t see the issue in displaying the user avatar large > vs >>>>> small. The events are still ordered by page events. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-10-23 13:19 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that you have a mail template for the notifications too. It's >>>>>>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ >>>>>>> 83b76ed4c26954aa2755bbdce23b32c41725ac06/xwiki-platform- >>>>>>> core/xwiki-platform-notifications/xwiki-platform- >>>>>>> notifications-ui/src/main/resources/XWiki/Notifications/ >>>>>>> MailTemplate.xml#L23 but it's not documented yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This mail template allows you to customize the header and the footer >>> of >>>>>>> the email, but not the actual content. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To be precise, each *event type* can have its own template or > failback >>>>> to >>>>>>> the default one (https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ >>>>>>> acdf68f4c0d20a9b44ea48eec4df808e22c54548/xwiki-platform- >>>>>>> core/xwiki-platform-web/src/main/webapp/templates/ >>>>>>> notification/email/default.html.vm) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So it's a template *per event type* and it's not linked to any user >>>>>>> choice. But we could add some options in the default template for >>>>> example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2017-10-17 16:23 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Guillaume, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2017, at 07:16, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some ideas. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have feedback about the fact the diff is way too technical for >>>>> users. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Example: "What does it means???" https://img15.hostingpics.net/ >>>>>>>>> pics/670307example1.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So we could hide this in a "technical details" link. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That’s one option but there’s another which is to provide the > ability >>>>> to >>>>>>>> choose which mail template to use in the Admin and provide several >>>>>>>> templates for different needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For example for the xwiki.org watchlist we absolutely need to be >>> able >>>>> to >>>>>>>> see the diffs without clicking a “technical details” link for each >>>>>>>> notification. It could be ok if there’s a single “technical > details” >>>>> link >>>>>>>> for ALL notifications that shows all diffs at once. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The "details" link could be replaced by a "more" link, with a very >>>>>>>>> simplified diff (the complete diff would go the the technical >>> details >>>>>>>> view). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the body of the event, in addition with the title of the >>> document, >>>>> we >>>>>>>>> could add some extracts of the diff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Example taken on gmail: >>>>>>>>> https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/763456example2.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope it helps, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2017-10-12 15:38 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Looks nice. Does it work in all mail clients that support HTML? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like an option to show the details for all events as > otherwise >>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>> too painful to have to open all one by one (for the use case when >>> you >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>> to check everything). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Same as Guillaume: not all events are page-related events. So we >>> need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> handle those too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Oct 2017, at 15:03, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> First of all, it looks very nice. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, you said the events are displayed like in the > notifications, >>>>> but >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the notifications they are ordered by dates, not by pages. Does >>> your >>>>>>>>>>> proposal imply to change the ordering? What about events that do >>> not >>>>>>>>>>> concern any page (like: "a new wiki has been created" or "a new >>>>> XWiki >>>>>>>>>>> version is available")? We don't have such events for now but we >>>>> plan >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> have some soon. We could display them last for example. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nice CSS expand! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks you, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-12 14:47 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a proposal for the Notifications mail: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9xEmail >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've continued with the 'user' avatar focused proposal, since >>> I've >>>>>>>>>>>> currently focused on the email template. If we drop the user >>> avatar >>>>>>>>>> (since >>>>>>>>>>>> we group multiple users) then we can have the event/app icon >>>>> instead >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> avatar. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What I want to have feedback on is the email layout, >>> functionality >>>>>>>> (tree >>>>>>>>>>>> navigation, details expanding) and styling. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You can play with the Prototype >>>>>>>>>>>> http://jsfiddle.net/risherry/cj25759w/embedded/#Result >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If we were to translate to the mail template, there are still >>> some >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>> to be tested (like translating the CSS selectors into inline, >>>>> decide >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>> email clients we support, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know, >>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-03 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol < > vincent(a)massol.net >>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol < > vincent(a)massol.net >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol < >>> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another feedback/questions: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user >>>>> profile? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least > for >>>>> page >>>>>>>>>>>>>> events >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have >>>>> currently >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your >>> example I >>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 >>>>> hours >>>>>>>>>>>>> ago”. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were >>> done? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but >>> not >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> entity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events >>>>>>>> displayed >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you could also have different users grouped in the same >>>>>>>> composite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to >>> show >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made each event, and I see you have removed this info. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The focus of this proposal is on user, compared to the old > one, >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the app/doc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Close to what we have on Facebool. So it didn't made sense > that >>>>> we >>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a page has been edited by vmassol, and that the details >>> showcase >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple user actually did the edit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In Facebook, you have it actually: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://pasteboard.co/GOioRAT.png >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On XWiki, we have the following (already implemented): >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://pasteboard.co/GOiqgYf.png >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol < >>> vincent(a)massol.net >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top > to >>>>>>>>>>>> bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped at the overview :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one > unique >>>>> icon >>>>>>>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination of app type + event type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app > type >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the event type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following >>>>>>>> events: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is published >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is created >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is removed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent > the >>> 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> events. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the >>>>> Blog >>>>>>>>>>>>> app. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder > and >>>>>>>>>>>> harder >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially >>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>> there’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event >>> type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Caty, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our >>>>>>>>>>>>> Notifications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI, see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the > app? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would > be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modification? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project

On 30 Oct 2017, at 15:15, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: For me it was confusing seeing "Pages", since in XWiki everything is a page and I don't have any application called Pages. I saw the addition of "Pages" as redundant. Not really sure how to display 4 avatars + in a nice way, while still being the main focus.

>> Now I haven't created versions for all the combinations, but we should >> decide if: >> - we want user focused vs. event focused layout >> - expanded version should have users or events on the left; >> - the summary should contain avatars or not for the users (important when >> there is a single user that did the event); >> - if / when we combine the users (when we have more than 2/3 users; > always; >> >> I am lacking some information in order to get some statistical decisions. >> For example, in practice: >> - we have more individual events or more events done by multiple people? >> - how common is to group also events? the example with blog published > that >> also has the create. Do we really need to display them? Also when > creating >> an user profile we launch a multitude of edit events, should all those be >> displayed? >> >> Regarding the user vs. event focused layout: it's just in the layout and >> what we display on the first position, since I've kept the current >> page/event grouping that is currently implemented. The decision depends > on >> how everyone is using the wiki: are they more interested in activity > being >> done on the wiki or who actually did that activity? > > Both are needed and it depends on the usage I guess. My feeling is that > humans are good at relationships in a group and a picture speaks more than > a generic icon for an app. You know who you work with, you know people you > like, you know who you consider is a stranger, etc and you’ll want to check > the diff and dive further based on that. The fact that the avatar is shown > prominently will help that. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> I like to see who did what, but if the Notifications implementation will >> always group users and we will get the Group icon, than this might not be >> very nice. >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> >> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Oct 2017, at 17:31, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com >> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> So these are some more iterations for the notifications layout >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>> NotificationsImprovements9xTypes >>>> >>>> I've played with User centered vs. Event centered and variants for >>>> displaying the avatars, user names and event names. >>>> >>>> Let me know what version you prefer. Also you can fork the prototypes > if >>>> you want to make some small changes. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Caty >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 11:24, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-10-24 11:12 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Guillaume, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 10:58, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any news on this? I'd like to implement this quickly because 9.10 > is >>>>>>> coming >>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This the current status: >>>>>>> * Caty proposed some improved layout for displaying notifications >>>>>>> * I commented about the need to display event + type, and about the >>> need >>>>>>> to have a link to see the diff. I also mentioned that we need to > work >>> on >>>>>>> the mail template display >>>>>>> * Caty replied and updated her proposal to take into account those >>>>>>> comments. >>>>>>> * I kind of like Caty’s proposal focused on the user. We want to > favor >>>>>>> contributions and I think it helps. It also makes the UI more >>> appealing >>>>>>> visually. >>>>>>> * You mentioned that you’d prefer a proposal more focused on the > event >>>>>>> rather than the user >>>>>>> * Thomas agrees with you >>>>>>> * Edy mentioned some extra points >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have also mentioned that the diff we propose is too technical for >>> many >>>>>> users. >>>>> >>>>> Yes and we have 4 solutions: >>>>> >>>>> * Solution 1: make it simpler to understand for everyone >>>>> * Solution 2: have a wiki admin UI level option to select whether to >>>>> include diff or not in the default template + user-level profile UI >>> option >>>>> (ie. per user) >>>>> * Solution 3: have a singe button in the mail, that, when clicked, >>>>> displays the diff (which is hidden by default) >>>>> * Solution 4: implement 2 mail templates (one for simple users and one >>> for >>>>> advanced users) and let the users choose in their profile which one > they >>>>> want to receive + have a wiki admin UI level option to decide which is >>> the >>>>> default when not overridden by the user. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> So I guess we need to decide about whether we show the avatar as in >>>>> Caty’s >>>>>>> proposal or not, right? Is that what you’re asking about Guillaume? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On my side, I don’t see the issue in displaying the user avatar > large >>> vs >>>>>>> small. The events are still ordered by page events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2017-10-23 13:19 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note that you have a mail template for the notifications too. It's >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ >>>>>>>>> 83b76ed4c26954aa2755bbdce23b32c41725ac06/xwiki-platform- >>>>>>>>> core/xwiki-platform-notifications/xwiki-platform- >>>>>>>>> notifications-ui/src/main/resources/XWiki/Notifications/ >>>>>>>>> MailTemplate.xml#L23 but it's not documented yet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This mail template allows you to customize the header and the > footer >>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the email, but not the actual content. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To be precise, each *event type* can have its own template or >>> failback >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the default one (https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ >>>>>>>>> acdf68f4c0d20a9b44ea48eec4df808e22c54548/xwiki-platform- >>>>>>>>> core/xwiki-platform-web/src/main/webapp/templates/ >>>>>>>>> notification/email/default.html.vm) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So it's a template *per event type* and it's not linked to any > user >>>>>>>>> choice. But we could add some options in the default template for >>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2017-10-17 16:23 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Guillaume, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2017, at 07:16, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some ideas. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have feedback about the fact the diff is way too technical for >>>>>>> users. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Example: "What does it means???" https://img15.hostingpics.net/ >>>>>>>>>>> pics/670307example1.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So we could hide this in a "technical details" link. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That’s one option but there’s another which is to provide the >>> ability >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> choose which mail template to use in the Admin and provide > several >>>>>>>>>> templates for different needs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For example for the xwiki.org watchlist we absolutely need to be >>>>> able >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> see the diffs without clicking a “technical details” link for > each >>>>>>>>>> notification. It could be ok if there’s a single “technical >>> details” >>>>>>> link >>>>>>>>>> for ALL notifications that shows all diffs at once. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The "details" link could be replaced by a "more" link, with a > very >>>>>>>>>>> simplified diff (the complete diff would go the the technical >>>>> details >>>>>>>>>> view). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In the body of the event, in addition with the title of the >>>>> document, >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> could add some extracts of the diff. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Example taken on gmail: >>>>>>>>>>> https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/763456example2.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope it helps, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-12 15:38 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Looks nice. Does it work in all mail clients that support HTML? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like an option to show the details for all events as >>> otherwise >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>> too painful to have to open all one by one (for the use case > when >>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>> to check everything). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Same as Guillaume: not all events are page-related events. So > we >>>>> need >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> handle those too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Oct 2017, at 15:03, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, it looks very nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, you said the events are displayed like in the >>> notifications, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the notifications they are ordered by dates, not by pages. > Does >>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal imply to change the ordering? What about events that > do >>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> concern any page (like: "a new wiki has been created" or "a > new >>>>>>> XWiki >>>>>>>>>>>>> version is available")? We don't have such events for now but > we >>>>>>> plan >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> have some soon. We could display them last for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice CSS expand! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks you, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-12 14:47 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a proposal for the Notifications mail: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9xEmail >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've continued with the 'user' avatar focused proposal, since >>>>> I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently focused on the email template. If we drop the user >>>>> avatar >>>>>>>>>>>> (since >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we group multiple users) then we can have the event/app icon >>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> avatar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I want to have feedback on is the email layout, >>>>> functionality >>>>>>>>>> (tree >>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation, details expanding) and styling. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can play with the Prototype >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jsfiddle.net/risherry/cj25759w/embedded/#Result >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we were to translate to the mail template, there are still >>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be tested (like translating the CSS selectors into inline, >>>>>>> decide >>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>> email clients we support, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-03 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol < >>> vincent(a)massol.net >>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol < >>> vincent(a)massol.net >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol < >>>>> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another feedback/questions: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user >>>>>>> profile? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least >>> for >>>>>>> page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have >>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your >>>>> example I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say > “2 >>>>>>> hours >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago”. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were >>>>> done? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type > but >>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events >>>>>>>>>> displayed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you could also have different users grouped in the > same >>>>>>>>>> composite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice > to >>>>> show >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made each event, and I see you have removed this info. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The focus of this proposal is on user, compared to the old >>> one, >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the app/doc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Close to what we have on Facebool. So it didn't made sense >>> that >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a page has been edited by vmassol, and that the details >>>>> showcase >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple user actually did the edit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Facebook, you have it actually: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://pasteboard.co/GOioRAT.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On XWiki, we have the following (already implemented): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://pasteboard.co/GOiqgYf.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol < >>>>> vincent(a)massol.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from > top >>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped at the overview :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one >>> unique >>>>>>> icon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination of app type + event type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app >>> type >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the event type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the > following >>>>>>>>>> events: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is published >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is created >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is removed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent >>> the >>>>> 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of > the >>>>>>> Blog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder >>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, > especially >>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event >>>>> type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Caty, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) > < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notifications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI, see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the >>> app? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post > would >>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation > or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modification? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project

On 30 Oct 2017, at 18:46, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I've iterated how it would look inside the mail, see http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x…

Still haven't found a solution for the avatar's group image, but the thing is that when the user selects to receive the diffs in the mail, this user grouping is confusing.

For some events we display just the last change, not all the changes, or we display the whole diff, so it's kind of hard to tell which user did what. A solution would be to display the entries separate, each with its own diff. Not sure what is the best approach.

Thanks, Caty On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: > >> On 30 Oct 2017, at 15:15, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > wrote: >> >>> >>>> On 30 Oct 2017, at 12:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com >> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Caty, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> There’ s something I don’t understand. Sometimes you have 2 icons and >>>>> sometimes only 1. >>>>> >>>> >>>> There is only 1 icon if the action is done by the "Pages" app, coming >>> from >>>> XWiki. >>>> I've considered that this is the main/default app, so we don't display >>> it. >>>> It's the default. >>>> So if you have created, edited, delete, commented on a normal page, you >>> get >>>> just the event action. >>>> If the page is special, coming from a particular application, then you >>> have >>>> an additional icon, marking the application. >>> >>> I find this highly confusing for my part :) >>> >>>> For me we always need 2 icons: >>>>> * one to represent the application (e.g. Pages app, Blog app, etc) >>>>> * one to represent the event (e.g. for the Paged app: Create, Modify, >>>>> Delete, Comment. For the Blog app: Publish a blog post) >>>>> >>>>> So if we display the avatar this means 3 icons: one for the avatar, > one >>>>> for the app and one for the event. Maybe that’s a bit too much. >>>>> >>>>> Right now, on the proposals I see, I find it very confusing and I can >>>>> never figure out which is the app and which is the event. >>>>> >>>>> I think I would prefer the following: >>>>> * On the left, avatar in big + app in smaller on top of it >>>>> * On the right, icon for the event. Actually the icon could be in >>> addition >>>>> to the “text” (i.e. “edited by”, “published by”, “commented by”, >>> “deleted >>>>> by”, etc) or we could drop the icon for the event and only keep the >>> text. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I wouldn't drop the event icon since that's the most important piece of >>>> information now. >>> >>> I would not drop it but it’s already contained in the text on the right > so >>> that’s duplication. >>> >>> I’d use the avatar + the app and leave the event icon on the right or >>> simply drop it in favor of the text (either one). >>> >>>> The grouping is done by page and by event. >>>> You want to know if someone deleted a new entry or just edited in a > rapid >>>> way, without the need to read the text. >>> >>> I’d prefer to see who did something and what they modified. That’s > really >>> how I use XWiki’s AS the most personally. >>> >>> If the text is not visual enough the event icon is ok too but I wouldn’t >>> put it on the left. >>> >>> In any case, you need consistency and all entries need to look the same. >>> We must not have special cases as it makes it very hard to understand. >>> >> >> For me it was confusing seeing "Pages", since in XWiki everything is a > page >> and I don't have any application called Pages. I saw the addition of >> "Pages" as redundant. >> >> >>> >>>> >>>>> In your variations I don’t see one where the app icon is on the left. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have put all the icons on the left in order to be easier to scan for >>> them >>>> in collapsed and expanded form. Having the icons on the right made the >>>> layout very centered-heavy + you didn't had the extremities in order to >>>> scan for them. >>>> >>>> So Guillaume and Clement like the event-focused view. >>>> >>>> I don't particularly like the big event icons. I find them more cold > and >>>> less personal. So I prefer the users-centered version. >>> >>> Same here for the same reason, but… (see below) >>> >>>> I like: >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/ >>> NotificationsImprovements9xTypes/userCentered_smallAvatars_reverse.png >>> >>> I don’t like the generic group image, it breaks the nice UI with > avatars. >>> We could maybe resize the avatars and display up to 4 and if beyond then >>> display some continuations symbol. >>> >> >> Not really sure how to display 4 avatars + in a nice way, while still > being >> the main focus. > > There’s another problem too actually. Not all events are related to > people. For example the “A new version of XWiki is available” event would > not have an avatar. However we could decide to use an “X” icon, > representing the xwiki.org entity/avatar. > > What I wouldn’t like is some generic image such as a bland group image. I > find that this breaks the concept of showing avatars. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> >>>> Now I haven't created versions for all the combinations, but we should >>>> decide if: >>>> - we want user focused vs. event focused layout >>>> - expanded version should have users or events on the left; >>>> - the summary should contain avatars or not for the users (important > when >>>> there is a single user that did the event); >>>> - if / when we combine the users (when we have more than 2/3 users; >>> always; >>>> >>>> I am lacking some information in order to get some statistical > decisions. >>>> For example, in practice: >>>> - we have more individual events or more events done by multiple > people? >>>> - how common is to group also events? the example with blog published >>> that >>>> also has the create. Do we really need to display them? Also when >>> creating >>>> an user profile we launch a multitude of edit events, should all those > be >>>> displayed? >>>> >>>> Regarding the user vs. event focused layout: it's just in the layout > and >>>> what we display on the first position, since I've kept the current >>>> page/event grouping that is currently implemented. The decision depends >>> on >>>> how everyone is using the wiki: are they more interested in activity >>> being >>>> done on the wiki or who actually did that activity? >>> >>> Both are needed and it depends on the usage I guess. My feeling is that >>> humans are good at relationships in a group and a picture speaks more > than >>> a generic icon for an app. You know who you work with, you know people > you >>> like, you know who you consider is a stranger, etc and you’ll want to > check >>> the diff and dive further based on that. The fact that the avatar is > shown >>> prominently will help that. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> I like to see who did what, but if the Notifications implementation > will >>>> always group users and we will get the Group icon, than this might not > be >>>> very nice. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Caty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Oct 2017, at 17:31, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > valicac(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> So these are some more iterations for the notifications layout >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9xTypes >>>>>> >>>>>> I've played with User centered vs. Event centered and variants for >>>>>> displaying the avatars, user names and event names. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know what version you prefer. Also you can fork the prototypes >>> if >>>>>> you want to make some small changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Caty >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net >> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 11:24, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2017-10-24 11:12 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Guillaume, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 10:58, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any news on this? I'd like to implement this quickly because 9.10 >>> is >>>>>>>>> coming >>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This the current status: >>>>>>>>> * Caty proposed some improved layout for displaying notifications >>>>>>>>> * I commented about the need to display event + type, and about > the >>>>> need >>>>>>>>> to have a link to see the diff. I also mentioned that we need to >>> work >>>>> on >>>>>>>>> the mail template display >>>>>>>>> * Caty replied and updated her proposal to take into account those >>>>>>>>> comments. >>>>>>>>> * I kind of like Caty’s proposal focused on the user. We want to >>> favor >>>>>>>>> contributions and I think it helps. It also makes the UI more >>>>> appealing >>>>>>>>> visually. >>>>>>>>> * You mentioned that you’d prefer a proposal more focused on the >>> event >>>>>>>>> rather than the user >>>>>>>>> * Thomas agrees with you >>>>>>>>> * Edy mentioned some extra points >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also mentioned that the diff we propose is too technical for >>>>> many >>>>>>>> users. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes and we have 4 solutions: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Solution 1: make it simpler to understand for everyone >>>>>>> * Solution 2: have a wiki admin UI level option to select whether to >>>>>>> include diff or not in the default template + user-level profile UI >>>>> option >>>>>>> (ie. per user) >>>>>>> * Solution 3: have a singe button in the mail, that, when clicked, >>>>>>> displays the diff (which is hidden by default) >>>>>>> * Solution 4: implement 2 mail templates (one for simple users and > one >>>>> for >>>>>>> advanced users) and let the users choose in their profile which one >>> they >>>>>>> want to receive + have a wiki admin UI level option to decide which > is >>>>> the >>>>>>> default when not overridden by the user. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So I guess we need to decide about whether we show the avatar as > in >>>>>>> Caty’s >>>>>>>>> proposal or not, right? Is that what you’re asking about > Guillaume? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On my side, I don’t see the issue in displaying the user avatar >>> large >>>>> vs >>>>>>>>> small. The events are still ordered by page events. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-23 13:19 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that you have a mail template for the notifications too. > It's >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ >>>>>>>>>>> 83b76ed4c26954aa2755bbdce23b32c41725ac06/xwiki-platform- >>>>>>>>>>> core/xwiki-platform-notifications/xwiki-platform- >>>>>>>>>>> notifications-ui/src/main/resources/XWiki/Notifications/ >>>>>>>>>>> MailTemplate.xml#L23 but it's not documented yet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This mail template allows you to customize the header and the >>> footer >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the email, but not the actual content. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To be precise, each *event type* can have its own template or >>>>> failback >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> the default one (https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/ >>>>>>>>>>> acdf68f4c0d20a9b44ea48eec4df808e22c54548/xwiki-platform- >>>>>>>>>>> core/xwiki-platform-web/src/main/webapp/templates/ >>>>>>>>>>> notification/email/default.html.vm) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So it's a template *per event type* and it's not linked to any >>> user >>>>>>>>>>> choice. But we could add some options in the default template > for >>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-17 16:23 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guillaume, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2017, at 07:16, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Some ideas. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have feedback about the fact the diff is way too technical > for >>>>>>>>> users. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Example: "What does it means???" > https://img15.hostingpics.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> pics/670307example1.png >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So we could hide this in a "technical details" link. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That’s one option but there’s another which is to provide the >>>>> ability >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> choose which mail template to use in the Admin and provide >>> several >>>>>>>>>>>> templates for different needs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For example for the xwiki.org watchlist we absolutely need to > be >>>>>>> able >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> see the diffs without clicking a “technical details” link for >>> each >>>>>>>>>>>> notification. It could be ok if there’s a single “technical >>>>> details” >>>>>>>>> link >>>>>>>>>>>> for ALL notifications that shows all diffs at once. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The "details" link could be replaced by a "more" link, with a >>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified diff (the complete diff would go the the technical >>>>>>> details >>>>>>>>>>>> view). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In the body of the event, in addition with the title of the >>>>>>> document, >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> could add some extracts of the diff. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Example taken on gmail: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/763456example2.png >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope it helps, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-12 15:38 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net >> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks nice. Does it work in all mail clients that support > HTML? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like an option to show the details for all events as >>>>> otherwise >>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too painful to have to open all one by one (for the use case >>> when >>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to check everything). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same as Guillaume: not all events are page-related events. So >>> we >>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle those too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Oct 2017, at 15:03, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, it looks very nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, you said the events are displayed like in the >>>>> notifications, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the notifications they are ordered by dates, not by pages. >>> Does >>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal imply to change the ordering? What about events > that >>> do >>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern any page (like: "a new wiki has been created" or "a >>> new >>>>>>>>> XWiki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version is available")? We don't have such events for now > but >>> we >>>>>>>>> plan >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have some soon. We could display them last for example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice CSS expand! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-12 14:47 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a proposal for the Notifications mail: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9xEmail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've continued with the 'user' avatar focused proposal, > since >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently focused on the email template. If we drop the > user >>>>>>> avatar >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we group multiple users) then we can have the event/app > icon >>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avatar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I want to have feedback on is the email layout, >>>>>>> functionality >>>>>>>>>>>> (tree >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation, details expanding) and styling. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can play with the Prototype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jsfiddle.net/risherry/cj25759w/embedded/#Result >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we were to translate to the mail template, there are > still >>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be tested (like translating the CSS selectors into > inline, >>>>>>>>> decide >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email clients we support, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-03 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol < >>>>> vincent(a)massol.net >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol < >>>>> vincent(a)massol.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol < >>>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another feedback/questions: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the > user >>>>>>>>> profile? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at > least >>>>> for >>>>>>>>> page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have >>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your >>>>>>> example I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say >>> “2 >>>>>>>>> hours >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago”. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events > were >>>>>>> done? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type >>> but >>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 > events >>>>>>>>>>>> displayed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you could also have different users grouped in the >>> same >>>>>>>>>>>> composite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice >>> to >>>>>>> show >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made each event, and I see you have removed this info. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The focus of this proposal is on user, compared to the > old >>>>> one, >>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the app/doc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Close to what we have on Facebool. So it didn't made > sense >>>>> that >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a page has been edited by vmassol, and that the details >>>>>>> showcase >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple user actually did the edit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Facebook, you have it actually: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://pasteboard.co/GOioRAT.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On XWiki, we have the following (already implemented): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://pasteboard.co/GOiqgYf.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol < >>>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) > < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from >>> top >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped at the overview :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one >>>>> unique >>>>>>>>> icon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination of app type + event type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the > app >>>>> type >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the event type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the >>> following >>>>>>>>>>>> events: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is published >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is created >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * When a blog post is removed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to > represent >>>>> the >>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of >>> the >>>>>>>>> Blog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be > harder >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, >>> especially >>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + > event >>>>>>> type. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Caty, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru > (Valica) >>> < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for > our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notifications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI, see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the >>>>> app? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post >>> would >>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page > creation >>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modification? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project > >

2017-10-30 18:59 GMT+01:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: user This is not the case in the watchlist. In the watchlist, you see the diff for the whole changes on each listed page. I don't think you want to have each individual diff when you look on what's changed in the wiki. or what. valicac(a)gmail.com vincent(a)massol.net coming avatar, the piece or understand. a order cold image. (important published layout activity more people to for about to to the whether clicked, and as avatar too. the or any template vincent(a)massol.net technical the for with the events. pages. now < your the info. the details bin/view/Proposal/ one the representative < for post -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: Another feedback/questions: * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile? * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)

Thanks -Vincent

wrote: NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and stopped at the overview :) However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per combination of app type + event type. What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for the event type. For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events: * When a blog post is published * When a blog post is created * When a blog post is removed You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events. BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A lot of apps can have a RSS feed.

That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.

WDYT? Thanks -Vincent wrote: see you