Hi Sergiu, On 20 Feb 2015 at 21:47:45, Sergiu Dumitriu (sergiu@xwiki.org(mailto:sergiu@xwiki.org)) wrote: I can think of 3 different answers: 1) Well these rules are only for the XWiki project itself (xwiki github org + possibly xwiki contrib org) and we cannot ask other projects to follow them, which means they’re free to use whatever rules they want. 2) It’s kind of already taken care of by the star in "[module]*”: “ Keys should have the following format: ##[module]*[.section]*.element[.part]*##, where: * ##module## is the name of the module or application being translated, like ##blog##, ##faq##, ##statistics##… Since a module can have submodules, there can be several module names. For example the SOLR Search UI is located in ##xwiki-platform-search/xwiki-platform-solr/xwiki-platform-solr-ui## and would have keys starting with ##search.solr.##. “ xclams can be considered a big app with submodules, and could use ##xclams.[submodule]…##. 3) We could decide to put back ##product.[module]*[.section]*.element[.part]*## and for all modules that are meant to compose or are extensions of the XWiki runtime, the product is “xwiki”. This means all code in the xwiki organization and most code in the xwiki-contrib org would use the “xwiki” product. But for those doing another product (i.e a different runtime distribution - not some flavor, since flavors are just extensions of the XWiki runtime) then they would use their own product name. For example in the past we had “xoffice”, “xem”, “xwatch”, “workspaces”. We would do an exception for XE since we’re removing it in favor of simply the XWiki runtime (we’ll remove the xwiki-enterprise repo at some point when everything is moved into xwiki-platform). So idea 3) would mean that all our keys would start with “xwiki”. WDYT? Idea 3) seems the most correct to me (even though it’s a bit of a pain to have to prefix all our translation keys with “xwiki” but it’s not such a big deal either). Thanks -Vincent is the one defined at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HTransla… > > Back in 2012 Sergiu started drafting an extended "L10N Conventions” document for best practices around writing translation properties at > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/L10N+Conventions > > Sergiu sent this a proposal in this mail thread: > > http://markmail.org/message/ofl23yorvxsqhn4x > > When Sergiu did this he didn’t realize we already had a VOTED rule for naming our translation properties and his proposal was in conflit with that. However, in this mail thread, several developers mentioned that even though they votes the previous naming rules they didn’t fully like it and preferred the one Sergiu was proposing. Several suggestion for improvements were also proposed. It was suggested in that thread (and Sergiu agreed) that he should resend a VOTE to change those established rules. Apparently he didn’t get the time/will to do it since I couldn’t find such a mail. > > In addition several developers are apparently not following the current rules (BAD! :)). For example in the xwiki-platform-icon-ui module, the Translations.xml page has the following which is NOT following the current rules: > > platform.icon.picker.preview=Preview with: > > platform.icon.picker.loading=Loading > > And most translation keys found in contrib apps at http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Contrib/WebHome are also not following these rules (although we don’t enforce anything for contrib projects, when they are coded by devs from the XWiki dev team or by known contributors, it would be a good thing to follow the same rule, especially as, in the future, we want to provide a path to move from contrib sandbox to contrib extensions). For example I see the following type of naming: “polls.vote.instructions.single”. > > Thus, with this email I’d like to try agreeing on a new naming format and conventions. > > I propose to VOTE for making http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/L10N+Conventions our official practice with the following change for the property naming part: > > " > > Keys should have the following format: ##[module]*[.section]*.element[.part]*##, where: > > * ##module## is the name of the module or application being translated, like ##blog##, ##faq##, ##statistics##… Since a module can have submodules, there can be several module names. For example the SOLR Search UI is located in ##xwiki-platform-search/xwiki-platform-solr/xwiki-platform-solr-ui## and would have keys starting with ##search.solr.##. location of the string being translated; for example, a key starting with ##theme.colors.wizard.## refers to a text located in the //wizard// for the //color// part of the //theme// application (currently there are only color themes, but in the future we might add icon themes, layout themes, and so on), ##macro.python.parameter.## refers to //parameters// of the //python// //macro//, while a key starting with ##userdirectory.## belongs to the main and only section of the //user directory// application an element could have several related parts. ##label## that describes an input, the ##placeholder## found inside that input, the ##tooltip## that appears when hovering that input, the ##hint## that is displayed before the field and provides additional details about what it, the ##error.empty## or ##error.invalidFormat## displayed when there are validation errors, and so on > > Individual parts of the key should use **camelCase** if more than one word is needed to identify the element. > > “ > > Note that I’ve removed the ##product## part from Sergiu’s proposal (the reasoning is here: http://markmail.org/message/ocijlegslw45yedu). In short this makes it simpler to move apps around without breaking the translation keys. Of course it reduces the namespace and increases likelihood of translation clashes with user-provided extensions but I don’t think it’s going to be a problem and user-provided extensions should have a unique app name anyway. > > I would also point to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HTransla… for the deprecation part. > > The big question is what to do with existing translations and the only answer I have so far is: it’s voted) translations) but implement the following first, and once it’s done, refactor existing translations over time: content, honoured by l10n in the same way that we do it for ApplicationResources.properties ApplicationResources.properties or in Translations.xml) For example: my.old.deprecated.key = @{new.shiny.key} > > Here’s my +1 > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > -- > Sergiu Dumitriu > http://purl.org/net/sergiu > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs(a)xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

2015-02-20 16:29 GMT+01:00 vincent(a)massol.net : What is wrong with that? 

Dots are not allowed in the property name? picker.preview should have been called pickerPreview? What if the property name is long, such as platform.wiki.users.join.request.cancelYes? It should have been platform.wiki.usersJoinRequestCancelYes?