Vincent Massol wrote: Is there any possibility to trim spaces only around the table delimiters and honor only the spaces inside the text in the tables?

Otherwise, I'm pretty undecided, since both sound good (for various reasons) I'd say to leave it like it is. Happy coding, Anca Luca _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

On Nov 26, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Asiri Rathnayake wrote: No, and that's the point. Currently whitespaces are significant and are taken into account and thus represented.

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Asiri Rathnayake wrote: If we want all spaces to be preserved, we could set the pre-wrap style globally, on the whole document (or just on the content). But this will cause problems with indented script code, as they generate a lot of output. I am still against preserving *visual* spaces in general. This is not how HTML works. This is not how the web works.

Do we want to do this just so that MS Word users feel like they are editing a word document, and not a web page?

Is this our target audience, secretaries that put on their resumes that they can use MS Office?

Changed the subject since this has drifted to a more general topic (I was initially asking only for table cells and only for esthetical reasons). Thanks -Vincent On Nov 26, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/Creole1.0#section-Creole1.0-Tables >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right now we're honoring whitespaces (they are significant). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If we want to be consistent with normal wiki text we should >>>>>>>> honor >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> since we're honoring spaces in wiki text. However we just >>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>> agree that it won't be possible to get nicely aligned cell >>>>>>>> delimiters >>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>> One consideration. Right now you have to write the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> |cell1|cell2|cell3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this is not very readable IMO compared to: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> | cell1 | cell2 | cell3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However right now since whitspaces are honored if you write the >>>>>>> latter >>>>>>> you'll get: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <td>&nbsp;cell1&nbsp;</td> in XHTML. >>>>>> Is there any possibility to trim spaces only around the table >>>>>> delimiters >>>>>> and >>>>>> honor only the spaces inside the text in the tables? >>>>>> >>>>> I'm leaning towards trimming the surrounding white spaces. One is >>>>> that it >>>>> allows us to align cell elements and the second is they doesn't >>>>> represent >>>>> any valuable information. I mean regardless of the existence of >>>>> surrounding >>>>> white spaces, the output will look the same. >>>> No, and that's the point. Currently whitespaces are significant and >>>> are taken into account and thus represented. >>> >>> >>> Ok, I tried it and it has an effect only when the output is >>> something like >>> this : >>> >>> <table border="1"><tr><td>&nbsp;hi&nbsp;</td></tr></table> OR >>> >>> <table border="1"><tr><td style="white-space: pre-wrap"> hi >>> </td></tr></table> >>> >>> And not when it's like : >>> >>> <table border="1"><tr><td> hi </td></tr></table> >>> >>> So it makes sense to respect white spaces (+1). But whether to use >>> &nbsp; or >>> styles is a question. styles seems to be a cleaner way as >>> suggested by >>> sergiu. >>> >> >> If we want all spaces to be preserved, we could set the pre-wrap >> style >> globally, on the whole document (or just on the content). But this >> will >> cause problems with indented script code, as they generate a lot of >> output. >> >> I am still against preserving *visual* spaces in general. This is not >> how HTML works. This is not how the web works. > >> Do we want to do this >> just so that MS Word users feel like they are editing a word >> document, >> and not a web page? > > Yes. That what all our users have been asking for AFAIK and this is > why we've decided at the beginning that newlines will generate new > lines and not be ignored as with HTML. > >> Is this our target audience, secretaries that put on >> their resumes that they can use MS Office? > > I think this is exactly what our users are asking for: "Word on the > Web". > > As a developer I personally wouldn't have minded that our Newlines > and spaces were behaving the same as HTML but I thought he had > decided early on that we wanted to display what users typed (i.e. > Newlines honored, spaces honored) since this is what I've heard > being asked for. I much prefer to have this rather than to see > WYSIWYG-generated wiki syntax with a special syntax to force > preservation of space characters and \\ everywhere for newlines. > > Anyway I'm open to discussion except that this comes very late, so > close to the final release. It would be very hard to change this now > in time for the release. OTOH if everyone is against honoring white > spaces then we better change it now. > > Please let me all know your views quickly. >

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On Nov 26, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/Creole1.0#section-Creole1.0-Tables Yes. That what all our users have been asking for AFAIK and this is why we've decided at the beginning that newlines will generate new lines and not be ignored as with HTML. I think this is exactly what our users are asking for: "Word on the Web". As a developer I personally wouldn't have minded that our Newlines and spaces were behaving the same as HTML but I thought he had decided early on that we wanted to display what users typed (i.e. Newlines honored, spaces honored) since this is what I've heard being asked for. I much prefer to have this rather than to see WYSIWYG-generated wiki syntax with a special syntax to force preservation of space characters and \\ everywhere for newlines. Anyway I'm open to discussion except that this comes very late, so close to the final release. It would be very hard to change this now in time for the release. OTOH if everyone is against honoring white spaces then we better change it now. Please let me all know your views quickly.

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Vincent Massol wrote: IMHO we should not use &nbsp;s anywhere. +1 for letting spaces be spaces, and HTML can take care of them. If users want to preserve space formatting, they can use a style declaration to keep whitespace displayed.