18 Sep
2014
18 Sep
'14
10:47 a.m.
Dear XWiki developers,
again and again I see code in our Curriki (quite some of which has been written by XWiki
experts) that employ LIKE hql queries to evaluate if an XWikiRights object applied to a
give group or user.
I has happened often that some such queries kill our production application server; in the
meantime we've managed to remove them. However, there are many more and it really
appears inefficient to me.
Is the "new xwiki rights model" that has been talked about here and there an
enhancement in this respect?
(it is in XWiki 6 or so if I remember well, we are still at 3.5).
Simply splitting the addresses of the xwikirights object in the DB could leverage
effectively an index which these LIKE queries fail to do.
thanks in advance.
Paul
18 Sep
18 Sep
10:59 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] XWikiRights storage… better now?
It's a new implementation with a lot of caching but the model did not changed.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
Dear XWiki developers,
again and again I see code in our Curriki (quite some of which has been written by XWiki
experts) that employ LIKE hql queries to evaluate if an XWikiRights object applied to a
give group or user.
I has happened often that some such queries kill our production application server; in
the meantime we've managed to remove them. However, there are many more and it really
appears inefficient to me.
Is the "new xwiki rights model" that has been talked about here and there an
enhancement in this respect?
(it is in XWiki 6 or so if I remember well, we are still at 3.5).
Simply splitting the addresses of the xwikirights object in the DB could leverage
effectively an index which these LIKE queries fail to do.
thanks in advance.
Paul
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11:14 a.m.
Whenever you do a LIKE you need to check your indexes in your DB to tune the query to be
fast.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 18 Sep 2014 at 11:00:36, Thomas Mortagne
(thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
It's a new implementation with a lot of caching
but the model did not changed.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote:
>
> Dear XWiki developers,
>
> again and again I see code in our Curriki (quite some of which has been written by
XWiki experts) that employ LIKE hql queries to evaluate if an XWikiRights object applied
to a give group or user.
>
> I has happened often that some such queries kill our production application server;
in the meantime we've managed to remove them. However, there are many more and it
really appears inefficient to me.
>
> Is the "new xwiki rights model" that has been talked about here and there
an enhancement in this respect?
> (it is in XWiki 6 or so if I remember well, we are still at 3.5).
> Simply splitting the addresses of the xwikirights object in the DB could leverage
effectively an index which these LIKE queries fail to do.
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> Paul
11:15 a.m.
Just to be clear you must avoid table scans at all costs.
-Vincent
On 18 Sep 2014 at 11:14:20, vincent(a)massol.net
(vincent@massol.net(mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Whenever you do a LIKE you need to check your indexes
in your DB to tune the query to be fast.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 18 Sep 2014 at 11:00:36, Thomas Mortagne
(thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> It's a new implementation with a lot of caching but the model did not changed.
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote:
> >
> > Dear XWiki developers,
> >
> > again and again I see code in our Curriki (quite some of which has been written
by XWiki experts) that employ LIKE hql queries to evaluate if an XWikiRights object
applied to a give group or user.
> >
> > I has happened often that some such queries kill our production application
server; in the meantime we've managed to remove them. However, there are many more and
it really appears inefficient to me.
> >
> > Is the "new xwiki rights model" that has been talked about here and
there an enhancement in this respect?
> > (it is in XWiki 6 or so if I remember well, we are still at 3.5).
> > Simply splitting the addresses of the xwikirights object in the DB could
leverage effectively an index which these LIKE queries fail to do.
> >
> > thanks in advance.
> >
> > Paul
11:16 a.m.
Didn't we stop storing members of a group that way a long time ago?
(implying the LIKE queries are strictly for backward compat)
On 09/18/2014 11:14 AM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
Whenever you do a LIKE you need to check your indexes
in your DB to tune the query to be fast.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 18 Sep 2014 at 11:00:36, Thomas Mortagne
(thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
It's a new implementation with a lot of
caching but the model did not changed.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote:
>
> Dear XWiki developers,
>
> again and again I see code in our Curriki (quite some of which has been written by
XWiki experts) that employ LIKE hql queries to evaluate if an XWikiRights object applied
to a give group or user.
>
> I has happened often that some such queries kill our production application server;
in the meantime we've managed to remove them. However, there are many more and it
really appears inefficient to me.
>
> Is the "new xwiki rights model" that has been talked about here and there
an enhancement in this respect?
> (it is in XWiki 6 or so if I remember well, we are still at 3.5).
> Simply splitting the addresses of the xwikirights object in the DB could leverage
effectively an index which these LIKE queries fail to do.
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> Paul
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11:19 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] XWikiRights storage… better now?
We stopped storing it but it's still supported (we don't log warning
or stuff like that when something is still doing it) which mean some
extension might be doing it and of course existing rights might
contain it. The question is do we want to stop the support and
automatically migrate existing stuff (and maybe break some existing
extensions).
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd(a)cjdns.fr> wrote:
Didn't we stop storing members of a group that way
a long time ago?
(implying the LIKE queries are strictly for backward compat)
On 09/18/2014 11:14 AM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Whenever you do a LIKE you need to check your
indexes in your DB to tune the query to be fast.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 18 Sep 2014 at 11:00:36, Thomas Mortagne
(thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
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caching but the model did not changed.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote:
>
> Dear XWiki developers,
>
> again and again I see code in our Curriki (quite some of which has been written by
XWiki experts) that employ LIKE hql queries to evaluate if an XWikiRights object applied
to a give group or user.
>
> I has happened often that some such queries kill our production application server;
in the meantime we've managed to remove them. However, there are many more and it
really appears inefficient to me.
>
> Is the "new xwiki rights model" that has been talked about here and there
an enhancement in this respect?
> (it is in XWiki 6 or so if I remember well, we are still at 3.5).
> Simply splitting the addresses of the xwikirights object in the DB could leverage
effectively an index which these LIKE queries fail to do.
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> Paul
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11:33 a.m.
Caleb, Thomas,
this is not about group members, these are separate objects, hence are queried as separate
HQL and SQL variables.
What I see is queries for such a purpose as
"all documents with x/y/z which user A or members of group P,Q,R is allowed
see"
For these, the normal way, apparently, has been to do a LIKE queries checking for a
substring (the user-name or group-name) in the group or member property of the XWikiRights
object.
Are you telling me that there's a better way to do that?
(e.g. that there would be different object for each member or group in the stored
XWikiRights?)
paul
On 18 sept. 2014, at 11:16, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd(a)cjdns.fr> wrote:
Didn't we stop storing members of a group that way
a long time ago?
(implying the LIKE queries are strictly for backward compat)
On 18 sept. 2014, at 11:19, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
We stopped storing it but it's still supported (we
don't log warning
or stuff like that when something is still doing it) which mean some
extension might be doing it and of course existing rights might
contain it. The question is do we want to stop the support and
automatically migrate existing stuff (and maybe break some existing
extensions).
11:53 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] XWikiRights storage… better now?
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
Caleb, Thomas,
this is not about group members, these are separate objects, hence are queried as
separate HQL and SQL variables.
What I see is queries for such a purpose as
"all documents with x/y/z which user A or members of group P,Q,R is allowed
see"
For these, the normal way, apparently, has been to do a LIKE queries checking for a
substring (the user-name or group-name) in the group or member property of the XWikiRights
object.
Are you telling me that there's a better way to do that?
(e.g. that there would be different object for each member or group in the stored
XWikiRights?)
The right manager UI is storing only one user or group in each
XWikiRights object AFAIK (since quite some time actually, pretty much
since that UI exist I think).
paul
On 18 sept. 2014, at 11:16, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd(a)cjdns.fr> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Didn't we stop storing members of a group
that way a long time ago?
(implying the LIKE queries are strictly for backward compat)
On 18 sept. 2014, at 11:19, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
We stopped storing it but it's still
supported (we don't log warning
or stuff like that when something is still doing it) which mean some
extension might be doing it and of course existing rights might
contain it. The question is do we want to stop the support and
automatically migrate existing stuff (and maybe break some existing
extensions).
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