6 Jun
2005
6 Jun
'05
2:59 p.m.
Hi,
1. I mentioned this problem to someone on the list the other week.
Would like to know what you folks think. On the Sonera-Zed, British Gas
and Philips projects javascript was unneeded (WAP-WML), minimised or
banned for security reasons.
This might be another barrier to acceptance. I've had to turn javascript
on to access XWiki.
A standard set of security problems is referenced at:
http://www.panix.com/~aahz/javascript.html
Do folks reckon the security problems have now been tied up then and these
corps should change their policy?
Cheers
Jim
2. PS Ajax is not the only way of doing asynch before this project adopts
yet another technology.
FI: List members might enjoy Phil Wadler's 'The next 700 computer
languages'
http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/wadler/topics/xml.html
I regard it as pretty mandatory reading.
6 Jun
6 Jun
3:16 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-dev] RFI: javascript ban problem
Hi Jim,
The core of XWiki should not require Javascript. I would be ok to chase
the cases where a barebone XWiki would not work without Javascript. I
understand the concerns for Javascript in certain environments..
Now there are some issues (like IE not handling CSS Hover correctly)
which are more easily solved using Javascript.
Finally one of the core requests for adoption is a good interactivity.
In these cases JS and AJAX in particular are interesting technologies to
provide rich interactivity without going for Flash or other stuff.
My opinion, is that XWiki should have all it's content URI addressable,
should not requite advanced JS for the core UI to work and especially
viewing data, but at the same time can and should have advanced
interactivity (using what we can efficiently use) to get good adoption
from users.
You mention other technologies than AJAX to provide Asynch work.. Don't
hesitate to tell us more about this.
Ludovic
Jim Stuttard a écrit :
Hi,
1. I mentioned this problem to someone on the list the other week.
Would like to know what you folks think. On the Sonera-Zed, British
Gas and Philips projects javascript was unneeded (WAP-WML), minimised
or banned for security reasons.
This might be another barrier to acceptance. I've had to turn
javascript on to access XWiki.
A standard set of security problems is referenced at:
http://www.panix.com/~aahz/javascript.html
Do folks reckon the security problems have now been tied up then and
these corps should change their policy?
Cheers
Jim
2. PS Ajax is not the only way of doing asynch before this project
adopts yet another technology.
FI: List members might enjoy Phil Wadler's 'The next 700 computer
languages'
http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/wadler/topics/xml.html
I regard it as pretty mandatory reading.
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4:26 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-dev] RFI: javascript ban problem
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:16:49 +0200, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
I would be ok to chase the cases where a
barebone XWiki would not work without Javascript
As I'm still at a primitive stage where I've not got an XWiki package
diagram or future roadmap (except in the jira comments etc) I would be
happy to try and chase the javascript dependencies. I'll have a look asap.
Cheers
Jim
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4:40 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-dev] RFI: javascript ban problem
BTW,
I've added some JS in the history page to make sure robots won't follow
the link to rollback or view previous version.
We need to change the URL so these can be used in the robots.txt file to
stop robots from there.
Ludovic
Jim Stuttard a écrit :
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:16:49 +0200, Ludovic Dubost
<ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
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I would be ok to chase the cases where a
barebone XWiki would not work without Javascript
As I'm still at a primitive stage where I've not got an XWiki package
diagram or future roadmap (except in the jira comments etc) I would
be happy to try and chase the javascript dependencies. I'll have a
look asap.
Cheers
Jim
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7 Jun
7 Jun
3:43 p.m.
New subject: FI: AJAX (was Re: [xwiki-dev] RFI: javascript ban problem)
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:16:49 +0200, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
Finally one of the core requests for adoption is a
good interactivity.
In these cases JS and AJAX in particular are interesting technologies to
provide rich interactivity without going for Flash or other stuff.
Yes but only maybe best?
My opinion, is that XWiki should have all it's
content URI addressable,
should not requite advanced JS for the core UI to work and especially
viewing data, but at the same time can and should have advanced
interactivity (using what we can efficiently use) to get good adoption
from users.
Right on!
You mention other technologies than AJAX to provide
Asynch work.. Don't
hesitate to tell us more about this.
I started off with Applet for rich, thin clients if that's what you call
them. I far prefer Applet java to wsdl and other spaghetti which (like ant
scripts) it seems sensible to generate from java and ignore after that
(apart from testing of course).
Enclose are my meagre preliminary notes, quotes on AJAX if they're of any
use to anyone.
Cheers
Jim
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