16 May
2013
16 May
'13
10:05 p.m.
Hi devs,
Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having troubles when they install
5.0.1.
It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be seen as a regression).
So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
* If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the main wiki.
WDYT?
We need to make it easy again to use XWiki initially.
Thanks
-Vincent
17 May
17 May
12:20 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make it simpler to configure XWiki when there's only 1 wiki
Hi Vincent,
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having troubles
when they install 5.0.1.
It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be seen as a
regression).
So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
* If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the main wiki.
WDYT?
This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior, but
Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and what I
have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create the missing
server descriptor when that error occurs.
You should read the thread about this change in detail before proposing a
new solution.
We need to make it easy again to use XWiki initially.
Thanks
-Vincent
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8:49 a.m.
Hi Denis and all,
On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
Hi Vincent,
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the time.
I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that you raised (as
item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a problem for someone having 2 wikis
and removing 1 and then all URLs would redirect to that main wiki instead of noticing that
the wiki he's pointing to has been removed.
The difference with now and when that thread was written is the feedback we're
getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have some user who have stopped using
XWiki because they found it too complex to setup with this new virtual on by default and
some others who spent hours scratching their heads to figure out why something worked
before and is no longer working.
So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for 5.0.2 and 5.1M1).
Solution 1:
=========
Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever the URL in that
case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki and more important than the
use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
Solution 2:
=========
Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to domain-based when no
descriptor is found and always fallback to the main wiki instead.
This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and at the same time not
have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside would be users who had configured their
subwiki in path-based (default) but with domains, which is not the normal way anyway: they
should configure it in domain-based if they wish to use domains...
My preference goes to 2.
WDYT? Any other solution?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
* I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access their wiki in 1
week (I can think of 3)
* I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new url module to handle
subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll be committing this soon now
(just finishing some functional tests)
Hi devs,
Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having troubles
when they install 5.0.1.
It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be seen as a
regression).
So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
* If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the main wiki.
WDYT?
This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior, but
Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and what I
have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create the missing
server descriptor when that error occurs.
You should read the thread about this change in detail before proposing a
new solution. 
9:14 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make it simpler to configure XWiki when there's only 1 wiki
Something already been decided to take care of this issue: by default
when your wiki cannot be found you are supposed to fallback on main
wiki.
Maybe Edy did not had time to finish it but I'm pretty sure I see the
option about it in the xwiki.cfg.vm.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Denis and all,
On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Hi Vincent,
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the time.
I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that you raised (as
item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a problem for someone having 2 wikis
and removing 1 and then all URLs would redirect to that main wiki instead of noticing that
the wiki he's pointing to has been removed.
The difference with now and when that thread was written is the feedback we're
getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have some user who have stopped using
XWiki because they found it too complex to setup with this new virtual on by default and
some others who spent hours scratching their heads to figure out why something worked
before and is no longer working.
So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for 5.0.2 and 5.1M1).
Solution 1:
=========
Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever the URL in that
case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki and more important than the
use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
Solution 2:
=========
Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to domain-based when no
descriptor is found and always fallback to the main wiki instead.
This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and at the same time
not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside would be users who had configured
their subwiki in path-based (default) but with domains, which is not the normal way
anyway: they should configure it in domain-based if they wish to use domains...
My preference goes to 2.
WDYT? Any other solution?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
* I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access their wiki in 1
week (I can think of 3)
* I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new url module to
handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll be committing this soon
now (just finishing some functional tests)
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hi devs,
Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having troubles
when they install 5.0.1.
It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be seen as a
regression).
So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
* If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the main wiki.
WDYT?
This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior, but
Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and what I
have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create the missing
server descriptor when that error occurs.
You should read the thread about this change in detail before proposing a
new solution.
9:15 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make it simpler to configure XWiki when there's only 1 wiki
#-# [Since 5.0M2]
#-# What to do when the requested wiki does not exist:
#-# - 0: (default) serve the main wiki
#-# - 1: display an error (customizable through wikidoesnotexist.vm or
xwiki:XWiki.WikiDoesNotExist)
# xwiki.virtual.failOnWikiDoesNotExist=0
So the option do exist.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Something already been decided to take care of this
issue: by default
when your wiki cannot be found you are supposed to fallback on main
wiki.
Maybe Edy did not had time to finish it but I'm pretty sure I see the
option about it in the xwiki.cfg.vm.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Hi Denis and all,
On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne Hi Vincent,
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the time.
I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that you raised (as
item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a problem for someone having 2 wikis
and removing 1 and then all URLs would redirect to that main wiki instead of noticing that
the wiki he's pointing to has been removed.
The difference with now and when that thread was written is the feedback we're
getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have some user who have stopped using
XWiki because they found it too complex to setup with this new virtual on by default and
some others who spent hours scratching their heads to figure out why something worked
before and is no longer working.
So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for 5.0.2 and 5.1M1).
Solution 1:
=========
Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever the URL in that
case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki and more important than the
use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
Solution 2:
=========
Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to domain-based when no
descriptor is found and always fallback to the main wiki instead.
This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and at the same time
not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside would be users who had configured
their subwiki in path-based (default) but with domains, which is not the normal way
anyway: they should configure it in domain-based if they wish to use domains...
My preference goes to 2.
WDYT? Any other solution?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
* I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access their wiki in 1
week (I can think of 3)
* I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new url module to
handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll be committing this soon
now (just finishing some functional tests)
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hi devs,
Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having troubles
when they install 5.0.1.
It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be seen as a
regression).
So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
* If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the main wiki.
WDYT?
This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior, but
Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and what I
have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create the missing
server descriptor when that error occurs.
You should read the thread about this change in detail before proposing a
new solution.
11:36 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make it simpler to configure XWiki when there's only 1 wiki
I checked and the real issue is that this is half implemented so we
just need to fix it.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
#-# [Since 5.0M2]
#-# What to do when the requested wiki does not exist:
#-# - 0: (default) serve the main wiki
#-# - 1: display an error (customizable through wikidoesnotexist.vm or
xwiki:XWiki.WikiDoesNotExist)
# xwiki.virtual.failOnWikiDoesNotExist=0
So the option do exist.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Something already been decided to take care of
this issue: by default
when your wiki cannot be found you are supposed to fallback on main
wiki.
Maybe Edy did not had time to finish it but I'm pretty sure I see the
option about it in the xwiki.cfg.vm.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne Hi Denis and all,
On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne Hi Vincent,
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having troubles
> when they install 5.0.1.
> It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
>
> The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
> http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
>
> And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be seen as a
> regression).
>
> So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
> * If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the main wiki.
>
> WDYT?
>
This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior, but
Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and what I
have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create the missing
server descriptor when that error occurs.
You should read the thread about this change in detail before proposing a
new solution.
Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the time.
I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that you raised (as
item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a problem for someone having 2 wikis
and removing 1 and then all URLs would redirect to that main wiki instead of noticing that
the wiki he's pointing to has been removed.
The difference with now and when that thread was written is the feedback we're
getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have some user who have stopped using
XWiki because they found it too complex to setup with this new virtual on by default and
some others who spent hours scratching their heads to figure out why something worked
before and is no longer working.
So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for 5.0.2 and 5.1M1).
Solution 1:
=========
Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever the URL in that
case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki and more important than the
use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
Solution 2:
=========
Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to domain-based when no
descriptor is found and always fallback to the main wiki instead.
This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and at the same time
not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside would be users who had configured
their subwiki in path-based (default) but with domains, which is not the normal way
anyway: they should configure it in domain-based if they wish to use domains...
My preference goes to 2.
WDYT? Any other solution?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
* I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access their wiki in 1
week (I can think of 3)
* I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new url module to
handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll be committing this soon
now (just finishing some functional tests)
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
12:01 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make it simpler to configure XWiki when there's only 1 wiki
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
I checked and the real issue is that this is half
implemented so we
just need to fix it.
Do we know how it goes through the testing without being noticed ?
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Mortagne
> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com wrote:
> > #-#
[Since 5.0M2]
> > #-# What to do when the requested wiki does not exist:
> > #-# - 0: (default) serve the main wiki
> > #-# - 1: display an error (customizable through wikidoesnotexist.vm or
> > xwiki:XWiki.WikiDoesNotExist)
> > # xwiki.virtual.failOnWikiDoesNotExist=0
> >
> > So the option do exist.
> >
> > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Mortagne
> > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
> >> Something already been decided to take care of this issue: by
default
> >> when your wiki cannot be found you are supposed to fallback on main
> >> wiki.
> >>
> >> Maybe Edy did not had time to finish it but I'm pretty sure I see the
> >> option about it in the xwiki.cfg.vm.
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> >>> Hi Denis and all,
> >>>
> >>> On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Vincent,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi devs,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having
> troubles
> >>>>> when they install 5.0.1.
> >>>>> It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
> >>>>> http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be
seen as a
> >>>>> regression).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
> >>>>> * If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the
main
> wiki.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WDYT?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior,
but
> >>>> Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
> >>>> http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
> >>>>
> >>>> So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message,
and
> what I
> >>>> have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create the
> missing
> >>>> server descriptor when that error occurs.
> >>>>
> >>>> You should read the thread about this change in detail before
> proposing a
> >>>> new solution.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the
time.
> >>>
> >>> I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that
> you raised (as item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a
> problem for someone having 2 wikis and removing 1 and then all URLs would
> redirect to that main wiki instead of noticing that the wiki he's pointing
> to has been removed.
> >>>
> >>> The difference with now and when that thread was written is the
> feedback we're getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have some
> user who have stopped using XWiki because they found it too complex to
> setup with this new virtual on by default and some others who spent hours
> scratching their heads to figure out why something worked before and is no
> longer working.
> >>>
> >>> So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for 5.0.2
> and 5.1M1).
> >>>
> >>> Solution 1:
> >>> =========
> >>>
> >>> Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever
the
> URL in that case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki and
> more important than the use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
> >>>
> >>> Solution 2:
> >>> =========
> >>>
> >>> Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to
> domain-based when no descriptor is found and always fallback to the main
> wiki instead.
> >>>
> >>> This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and
> at the same time not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside
> would be users who had configured their subwiki in path-based (default) but
> with domains, which is not the normal way anyway: they should configure it
> in domain-based if they wish to use domains...
> >>>
> >>> My preference goes to 2.
> >>>
> >>> WDYT? Any other solution?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> -Vincent
> >>>
> >>> PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
> >>> * I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access
their
> wiki in 1 week (I can think of 3)
> >>> * I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new
url
> module to handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll be
> committing this soon now (just finishing some functional tests)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> devs mailing list
> >>> devs(a)xwiki.org
> >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thomas Mortagne
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thomas Mortagne
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
> _______________________________________________
> devs mailing list
> devs(a)xwiki.org
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>
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eGuilde sarl - CTO
12:05 p.m.
On May 17, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
I'm pretty sure we don't have that many XEM tests (which need to be moved to XE
now btw)…
Something to improve for sure especially now.
On the manual test level, sorin/manuel have probably not tested with "exotic"
urls and from the release notes it was probably hard to guess that they had to test this
and no developer has replied to their email with this information when they asked what
they should test for 5.0...
Thanks
-Vincent
wrote:
I checked and the real issue is that this is half
implemented so we
just need to fix it.
Do we know how it goes through the testing without being noticed ? > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Mortagne
> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>> #-# [Since 5.0M2]
>> #-# What to do when the requested wiki does not exist:
>> #-# - 0: (default) serve the main wiki
>> #-# - 1: display an error (customizable through wikidoesnotexist.vm or
>> xwiki:XWiki.WikiDoesNotExist)
>> # xwiki.virtual.failOnWikiDoesNotExist=0
>>
>> So the option do exist.
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Mortagne
>> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>> Something already been decided to take care of this issue: by default
>>> when your wiki cannot be found you are supposed to fallback on main
>>> wiki.
>>>
>>> Maybe Edy did not had time to finish it but I'm pretty sure I see the
>>> option about it in the xwiki.cfg.vm.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>>> Hi Denis and all,
>>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having
> troubles
>>>>>> when they install 5.0.1.
>>>>>> It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
>>>>>> http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be
seen as a
>>>>>> regression).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
>>>>>> * If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the
main
> wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior,
but
>>>>> Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and
> what I
>>>>> have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create the
> missing
>>>>> server descriptor when that error occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should read the thread about this change in detail before
> proposing a
>>>>> new solution.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the
time.
>>>>
>>>> I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that
> you raised (as item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a
> problem for someone having 2 wikis and removing 1 and then all URLs would
> redirect to that main wiki instead of noticing that the wiki he's pointing
> to has been removed.
>>>>
>>>> The difference with now and when that thread was written is the
> feedback we're getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have some
> user who have stopped using XWiki because they found it too complex to
> setup with this new virtual on by default and some others who spent hours
> scratching their heads to figure out why something worked before and is no
> longer working.
>>>>
>>>> So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for 5.0.2
> and 5.1M1).
>>>>
>>>> Solution 1:
>>>> =========
>>>>
>>>> Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever
the
> URL in that case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki and
> more important than the use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
>>>>
>>>> Solution 2:
>>>> =========
>>>>
>>>> Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to
> domain-based when no descriptor is found and always fallback to the main
> wiki instead.
>>>>
>>>> This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and
> at the same time not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside
> would be users who had configured their subwiki in path-based (default) but
> with domains, which is not the normal way anyway: they should configure it
> in domain-based if they wish to use domains...
>>>>
>>>> My preference goes to 2.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT? Any other solution?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>> PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
>>>> * I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access
their
> wiki in 1 week (I can think of 3)
>>>> * I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new
url
> module to handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll be
> committing this soon now (just finishing some functional tests)
>>>>
4:55 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make it simpler to configure XWiki when there's only 1 wiki
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On May 17, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
I'm pretty sure we don't have that many XEM tests (which need to be moved
to XE now btw)…
Something to improve for sure especially now.
On the manual test level, sorin/manuel have probably not tested with
"exotic" urls and from the release notes it was probably hard to guess that
they had to test this and no developer has replied to their email with this
information when they asked what they should test for 5.0...
This seems to be something we may investigate to improve. I imagine that if
nobody warn them, this is simply because the communication path is
suboptimal. Maybe a more formal path, using an extension of the test report
application could be an interesting solution.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
I checked and the real issue is that this is half
implemented so we
just need to fix it.
Do we know how it goes through the testing without being noticed ?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Denis Gervalle
SOFTEC sa - CEO
eGuilde sarl - CTO
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Thomas
Mortagne
> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>> #-# [Since 5.0M2]
>> #-# What to do when the requested wiki does not exist:
>> #-# - 0: (default) serve the main wiki
>> #-# - 1: display an error (customizable through wikidoesnotexist.vm or
>> xwiki:XWiki.WikiDoesNotExist)
>> # xwiki.virtual.failOnWikiDoesNotExist=0
>>
>> So the option do exist.
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Mortagne
>> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>> Something already been decided to take care of this issue: by default
>>> when your wiki cannot be found you are supposed to fallback on main
>>> wiki.
>>>
>>> Maybe Edy did not had time to finish it but I'm pretty sure I see the
>>> option about it in the xwiki.cfg.vm.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>>> Hi Denis and all,
>>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having
> troubles
>>>>>> when they install 5.0.1.
>>>>>> It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
>>>>>> http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be
seen as
a
>>>>>> regression).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
>>>>>> * If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the
main
> wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior,
but
>>>>> Edouard mention a potential
confusing example in:
>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and
> what I
>>>>> have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create the
> missing
>>>>> server descriptor when that error occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should read the thread about this change in detail before
> proposing a
>>>>> new solution.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the
time.
>>>>
>>>> I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that
> you raised (as item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a
> problem for someone having 2 wikis and removing 1 and then all URLs
would
> redirect to that main wiki instead of
noticing that the wiki he's
pointing
> to has been removed.
>>>>
>>>> The difference with now and when that thread was written is the
> feedback we're getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have
some
> user who have stopped using XWiki because
they found it too complex to
> setup with this new virtual on by default and some others who spent
hours
> scratching their heads to figure out why
something worked before and is
no
> longer working.
>>>>
>>>> So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for 5.0.2
> and 5.1M1).
>>>>
>>>> Solution 1:
>>>> =========
>>>>
>>>> Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever
the
> URL in that case. It's still preferable
to get a user started on xwiki
and
> more important than the use case found by Edy
which is an edge case.
>>>>
>>>> Solution 2:
>>>> =========
>>>>
>>>> Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to
> domain-based when no descriptor is found and always fallback to the main
> wiki instead.
>>>>
>>>> This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and
> at the same time not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside
> would be users who had configured their subwiki in path-based (default)
but
> with domains, which is not the normal way
anyway: they should configure
it
> in domain-based if they wish to use
domains...
>>>>
>>>> My preference goes to 2.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT? Any other solution?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>> PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
>>>> * I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access
their
> wiki in 1 week (I can think of 3)
>>>> * I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new
url
> module to handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll
be
> committing this soon now (just finishing some
functional tests)
>>>>
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On May 17, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
well someone would still need to report it in the test report app! Which is even harder to
do than what was done, i.e. sorin/manuel asked explicitly what they should test for
5.0...
-Vincent
On May 17, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
I'm pretty sure we don't have that many XEM tests (which need to be moved
to XE now btw)…
Something to improve for sure especially now.
On the manual test level, sorin/manuel have probably not tested with
"exotic" urls and from the release notes it was probably hard to guess that
they had to test this and no developer has replied to their email with this
information when they asked what they should test for 5.0...
This seems to be something we may investigate to improve. I imagine that if
nobody warn them, this is simply because the communication path is
suboptimal. Maybe a more formal path, using an extension of the test report
application could be an interesting solution. On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
I checked and the real issue is that this is half
implemented so we
just need to fix it.
Do we know how it goes through the testing without being noticed ? > Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Mortagne
>>> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>> #-# [Since 5.0M2]
>>>> #-# What to do when the requested wiki does not exist:
>>>> #-# - 0: (default) serve the main wiki
>>>> #-# - 1: display an error (customizable through wikidoesnotexist.vm or
>>>> xwiki:XWiki.WikiDoesNotExist)
>>>> # xwiki.virtual.failOnWikiDoesNotExist=0
>>>>
>>>> So the option do exist.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Mortagne
>>>> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>> Something already been decided to take care of this issue: by
default
>>>>> when your wiki cannot be found you are supposed to fallback on main
>>>>> wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Edy did not had time to finish it but I'm pretty sure I see
the
>>>>> option about it in the xwiki.cfg.vm.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Denis and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <
> vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are
having
>>> troubles
>>>>>>>> when they install 5.0.1.
>>>>>>>> It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help
someone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
>>>>>>>> http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which
can be seen as
> a
>>>>>>>> regression).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I'm proposing the following change for
5.0.2/5.1M1:
>>>>>>>> * If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point
to the main
>>> wiki.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that
behavior,
> but
>>>>>>> Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
>>>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit
message, and
>>> what I
>>>>>>> have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create
the
>>> missing
>>>>>>> server descriptor when that error occurs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should read the thread about this change in detail
before
>>> proposing a
>>>>>>> new solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at
the
> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this
point that
>>> you raised (as item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a
>>> problem for someone having 2 wikis and removing 1 and then all URLs
> would
>>> redirect to that main wiki instead of noticing that the wiki he's
> pointing
>>> to has been removed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The difference with now and when that thread was written is the
>>> feedback we're getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have
> some
>>> user who have stopped using XWiki because they found it too complex to
>>> setup with this new virtual on by default and some others who spent
> hours
>>> scratching their heads to figure out why something worked before and is
> no
>>> longer working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for
5.0.2
>>> and 5.1M1).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Solution 1:
>>>>>> =========
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki
whatever
> the
>>> URL in that case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki
> and
>>> more important than the use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Solution 2:
>>>>>> =========
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to
>>> domain-based when no descriptor is found and always fallback to the main
>>> wiki instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This option should solve the problem of getting started for users
and
>>> at the same time not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside
>>> would be users who had configured their subwiki in path-based (default)
> but
>>> with domains, which is not the normal way anyway: they should configure
> it
>>> in domain-based if they wish to use domains...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My preference goes to 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT? Any other solution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is
because:
>>>>>> * I've helped several users understand why they couldn't
access their
>>> wiki in 1 week (I can think of 3)
>>>>>> * I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the
new url
>>> module to handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll
> be
>>> committing this soon now (just finishing some functional tests)
>>>>>>
5:32 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make it simpler to configure XWiki when there's only 1 wiki
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On May 17, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
And I remember telling them that a lot of change had been done around
multiwiki and wiki acces and that this needed to be tested so it did
not worked too well. Anyway in that specific use case it's not very
hard to write automated tests especially since XWiki is now always in
vietual mode.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
well someone would still need to report it in the test report app! Which is even harder
to do than what was done, i.e. sorin/manuel asked explicitly what they should test for
5.0...
On May 17, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
This seems to be something we may investigate to improve. I imagine that if
nobody warn them, this is simply because the communication path is
suboptimal. Maybe a more formal path, using an extension of the test report
application could be an interesting solution. On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
> wrote:
> I checked and the real issue is that this is half implemented so we
> just need to fix it.
>
Do we know how it goes through the testing without being noticed ?
I'm pretty sure we don't have that many XEM tests (which need to be moved
to XE now btw)…
Something to improve for sure especially now.
On the manual test level, sorin/manuel have probably not tested with
"exotic" urls and from the release notes it was probably hard to guess that
they had to test this and no developer has replied to their email with this
information when they asked what they should test for 5.0...
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Mortagne
>>> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>> #-# [Since 5.0M2]
>>>> #-# What to do when the requested wiki does not exist:
>>>> #-# - 0: (default) serve the main wiki
>>>> #-# - 1: display an error (customizable through wikidoesnotexist.vm or
>>>> xwiki:XWiki.WikiDoesNotExist)
>>>> # xwiki.virtual.failOnWikiDoesNotExist=0
>>>>
>>>> So the option do exist.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Mortagne
>>>> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>> Something already been decided to take care of this issue: by
default
>>>>> when your wiki cannot be found you are supposed to fallback on main
>>>>> wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Edy did not had time to finish it but I'm pretty sure I see
the
>>>>> option about it in the xwiki.cfg.vm.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Denis and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <
> vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are
having
>>> troubles
>>>>>>>> when they install 5.0.1.
>>>>>>>> It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help
someone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
>>>>>>>> http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which
can be seen as
> a
>>>>>>>> regression).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I'm proposing the following change for
5.0.2/5.1M1:
>>>>>>>> * If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point
to the main
>>> wiki.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that
behavior,
> but
>>>>>>> Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
>>>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit
message, and
>>> what I
>>>>>>> have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create
the
>>> missing
>>>>>>> server descriptor when that error occurs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should read the thread about this change in detail
before
>>> proposing a
>>>>>>> new solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at
the
> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this
point that
>>> you raised (as item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a
>>> problem for someone having 2 wikis and removing 1 and then all URLs
> would
>>> redirect to that main wiki instead of noticing that the wiki he's
> pointing
>>> to has been removed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The difference with now and when that thread was written is the
>>> feedback we're getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have
> some
>>> user who have stopped using XWiki because they found it too complex to
>>> setup with this new virtual on by default and some others who spent
> hours
>>> scratching their heads to figure out why something worked before and is
> no
>>> longer working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for
5.0.2
>>> and 5.1M1).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Solution 1:
>>>>>> =========
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki
whatever
> the
>>> URL in that case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki
> and
>>> more important than the use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Solution 2:
>>>>>> =========
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to
>>> domain-based when no descriptor is found and always fallback to the main
>>> wiki instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This option should solve the problem of getting started for users
and
>>> at the same time not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside
>>> would be users who had configured their subwiki in path-based (default)
> but
>>> with domains, which is not the normal way anyway: they should configure
> it
>>> in domain-based if they wish to use domains...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My preference goes to 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT? Any other solution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is
because:
>>>>>> * I've helped several users understand why they couldn't
access their
>>> wiki in 1 week (I can think of 3)
>>>>>> * I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the
new url
>>> module to handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll
> be
>>> committing this soon now (just finishing some functional tests)
>>>>>>
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New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make it simpler to configure XWiki when there's only 1 wiki
Done http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9150.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I checked and the real issue is that this is half
implemented so we
just need to fix it.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
#-# [Since 5.0M2]
#-# What to do when the requested wiki does not exist:
#-# - 0: (default) serve the main wiki
#-# - 1: display an error (customizable through wikidoesnotexist.vm or
xwiki:XWiki.WikiDoesNotExist)
# xwiki.virtual.failOnWikiDoesNotExist=0
So the option do exist.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne Something already been decided to take care of
this issue: by default
when your wiki cannot be found you are supposed to fallback on main
wiki.
Maybe Edy did not had time to finish it but I'm pretty sure I see the
option about it in the xwiki.cfg.vm.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne Hi Denis and all,
On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
> Hi Vincent,
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having troubles
>> when they install 5.0.1.
>> It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
>>
>> The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
>> http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
>>
>> And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be seen as a
>> regression).
>>
>> So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
>> * If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the main wiki.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>
> This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior, but
> Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
> http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
>
> So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and what I
> have suggested is to have an easy way for an admin to create the missing
> server descriptor when that error occurs.
>
> You should read the thread about this change in detail before proposing a
> new solution.
Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the time.
I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that you raised (as
item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a problem for someone having 2 wikis
and removing 1 and then all URLs would redirect to that main wiki instead of noticing that
the wiki he's pointing to has been removed.
The difference with now and when that thread was written is the feedback we're
getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have some user who have stopped using
XWiki because they found it too complex to setup with this new virtual on by default and
some others who spent hours scratching their heads to figure out why something worked
before and is no longer working.
So I really think we need to do something and quite fast (for 5.0.2 and 5.1M1).
Solution 1:
=========
Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever the URL in that
case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki and more important than the
use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
Solution 2:
=========
Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to domain-based when no
descriptor is found and always fallback to the main wiki instead.
This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and at the same time
not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside would be users who had configured
their subwiki in path-based (default) but with domains, which is not the normal way
anyway: they should configure it in domain-based if they wish to use domains...
My preference goes to 2.
WDYT? Any other solution?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
* I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access their wiki in 1
week (I can think of 3)
* I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new url module to
handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll be committing this soon
now (just finishing some functional tests)
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9:30 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make it simpler to configure XWiki when there's only 1 wiki
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Denis and all,
On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
what I
This was exactly what I fear when I raise this point this issue, I am very
disappointed that nothing have been done. The very minimal was to have a
better error reporting, and an easier way to fix up the situation.
Hi Vincent,
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi devs,
Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having troubles
when they install 5.0.1.
It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be seen as a
regression).
So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
* If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the main wiki.
WDYT?
This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior, but
Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and have suggested is to have an easy way for an
admin to create the missing
server descriptor when that error occurs.
You should read the thread about this change in detail before proposing a
new solution.
Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the time.
I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that you
raised (as item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a problem
for someone having 2 wikis and removing 1 and then all URLs would redirect
to that main wiki instead of noticing that the wiki he's pointing to has
been removed.
The difference with now and when that thread was written is the feedback
we're getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have some user who
have stopped using XWiki because they found it too complex to setup with
this new virtual on by default and some others who spent hours scratching
their heads to figure out why something worked before and is no longer
working.
So I really think we need to do something and quite
fast (for 5.0.2 and
5.1M1).
+1
Solution 1:
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Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever the URL
in that case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki and more
important than the use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
IMO, it is still the simplest solution.
Solution 2:
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Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to domain-based
when no descriptor is found and always fallback to the main wiki instead.
This does not look bad, but...
This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and at
the same time not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside would
be users who had configured their subwiki in path-based (default) but with
domains, which is not the normal way anyway: they should configure it in
domain-based if they wish to use domains...
... I am not sure the "in path-based (default) but with domains" situation
will be understand by users. I do not really understand it myself.
My preference goes to 2.
WDYT? Any other solution?
So, I stay on my first opinion: Either we have a direct fallback to the
main wiki, or we have a clear error page, that for a wiki admin, provide a
simple one click way to create the missing descriptor. I thought this was
already done.
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
* I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access their wiki
in 1 week (I can think of 3)
* I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new url
module to handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll be
committing this soon now (just finishing some functional tests)
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