8 Sep
2015
8 Sep
'15
11:12 a.m.
Hi devs,
Following a discussion at http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327# I’d like to propose to
add this new best practice in the App Guide, i.e.
at http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/BestPractices
Rule: Do not use Skin-specific resources in Extensions/Applications
Rationale: If you do, then your Extension/Application will only work for that Skin. When
the default skin in XWiki is modified, your Extension/Application will stop to work fine.
Example: This is what happened in apps like in the Forum app which was using:
getSkinFile(“noavatar.png”) where “noavatar.png” was a Colibri-skin resource only. The
Forum app was broken when we moved to Flamingo and the Forum app had to be modified to use
getSkinFile("icons/xwiki/noavatar.png”) which is better since it’s a global resource,
thus available to all Skins
(see https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/application-forum/commit/3d3a99e5665265607…).
WDYT? Anyone disagree? I’d like to clos this topic quickly so that we can close
XWIKI-12327.
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: Additional idea (I don’t know if it’s feasible): I wonder if we could even prevent
getSkinFile() to return a skin-specific resource if the originating code is not from a
resource from this Skin or if the originating code is not located in a Children Skin (i.e.
a skin css, skin jss or skin vm). i.e. consider that skin-specific resources have a
private access level.
8 Sep
8 Sep
11:36 a.m.
We expect the extensions to be well integrated into XWiki. This is
achieved by using the *current* color theme, the *current* icon set
and by limiting the amount of custom styles (use the styles from the
*current* skin as much as possible). In order to make the extension
consistent with the L&F of XWiki an extension developer will try to
use the same icons and images she sees in the XWiki UI (default skin).
This is the case with the noavatar image. Best is if the skins use
only icons/images defined in the icon set so that extensions use the
same images/icons.
Thanks,
Marius
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Following a discussion at http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327# I’d like to propose
to add this new best practice in the App Guide, i.e. at
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/BestPractices
Rule: Do not use Skin-specific resources in Extensions/Applications
Rationale: If you do, then your Extension/Application will only work for that Skin. When
the default skin in XWiki is modified, your Extension/Application will stop to work fine.
Example: This is what happened in apps like in the Forum app which was using:
getSkinFile(“noavatar.png”) where “noavatar.png” was a Colibri-skin resource only. The
Forum app was broken when we moved to Flamingo and the Forum app had to be modified to use
getSkinFile("icons/xwiki/noavatar.png”) which is better since it’s a global resource,
thus available to all Skins (see
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/application-forum/commit/3d3a99e5665265607…).
WDYT? Anyone disagree? I’d like to clos this topic quickly so that we can close
XWIKI-12327.
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: Additional idea (I don’t know if it’s feasible): I wonder if we could even prevent
getSkinFile() to return a skin-specific resource if the originating code is not from a
resource from this Skin or if the originating code is not located in a Children Skin (i.e.
a skin css, skin jss or skin vm). i.e. consider that skin-specific resources have a
private access level.
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11:52 a.m.
On 8 Sep 2015 at 11:36:37, Marius Dumitru Florea
(mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com)) wrote:
We expect the extensions to be well integrated into
XWiki. This is
achieved by using the *current* color theme, the *current* icon set
and by limiting the amount of custom styles (use the styles from the
*current* skin as much as possible). In order to make the extension
consistent with the L&F of XWiki an extension developer will try to
use the same icons and images she sees in the XWiki UI (default skin).
This is the case with the noavatar image. Best is if the skins use
only icons/images defined in the icon set so that extensions use the
same images/icons.
Thanks Marius. That’s interesting but I’d put that in the best practice section of the
Skin Dev Guide.
Icon Set, Color Theme are not supposed to be related to Skins (and they shouldn’t be). So
that’s fine.
However, if an App uses the styles from a specific Skin, I don’t see how they’ll work when
the user uses another skin (and we have several on e.x.o) in his wiki or when the default
skin changes (imagine if all extensions need new releases when a new skin is out, that’s a
lot of work).
What about the best practice I proposed? I couldn’t fully figure out if you agreed or
disagreed with it :)
If you disagree with it what would be your proposal for XWIKI-12327?
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Marius
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
Hi devs,
Following a discussion at http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327# I’d like to propose
to add this new best practice in the App Guide, i.e. at
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/BestPractices
Rule: Do not use Skin-specific resources in Extensions/Applications
Rationale: If you do, then your Extension/Application will only work for that Skin. When
the default skin in XWiki is modified, your Extension/Application will stop to work fine.
Example: This is what happened in apps like in the Forum app which was using:
getSkinFile(“noavatar.png”) where “noavatar.png” was a Colibri-skin resource only. The
Forum app was broken when we moved to Flamingo and the Forum app had to be modified to use
getSkinFile("icons/xwiki/noavatar.png”) which is better since it’s a global resource,
thus available to all Skins (see
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/application-forum/commit/3d3a99e5665265607…).
WDYT? Anyone disagree? I’d like to clos this topic quickly so that we can close
XWIKI-12327.
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: Additional idea (I don’t know if it’s feasible): I wonder if we could even prevent
getSkinFile() to return a skin-specific resource if the originating code is not from a
resource from this Skin or if the originating code is not located in a Children Skin (i.e.
a skin css, skin jss or skin vm). i.e. consider that skin-specific resources have a
private access level.
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12:03 p.m.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:52 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On 8 Sep 2015 at 11:36:37, Marius Dumitru Florea
(mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com)) wrote:
We expect the extensions to be well integrated
into XWiki. This is
achieved by using the *current* color theme, the *current* icon set
and by limiting the amount of custom styles (use the styles from the
*current* skin as much as possible). In order to make the extension
consistent with the L&F of XWiki an extension developer will try to
use the same icons and images she sees in the XWiki UI (default skin).
This is the case with the noavatar image. Best is if the skins use
only icons/images defined in the icon set so that extensions use the
same images/icons.
Thanks Marius. That’s interesting but I’d put that in the best practice section of the
Skin Dev Guide.
Icon Set, Color Theme are not supposed to be related to Skins (and they shouldn’t be). So
that’s fine.
However, if an App uses the styles from a specific Skin, I don’t see how they’ll work
when the user uses another skin (and we have several on e.x.o) in his wiki or when the
default skin changes (imagine if all extensions need new releases when a new skin is out,
that’s a lot of work).
What about the best practice I proposed? I couldn’t
fully figure out if you agreed or disagreed with it :)
If the skins use custom icons/images and the extensions are not
allowed to use them then they won't be well integrated. There's going
to be visual inconsistency between the extensions and the skin. So I'm
fine with "Do not use Skin-specific resources in
Extensions/Applications" as long as we mention the alternative "use
the icon set" and we make sure the skins don't use custom
icons/images. For instance, currently we have a bit of inconsistency
between the Glyphicons font used by the skin and the FontAwesome font
used by the default icon set. A developer might inspect the HTML, see
that the Glyphicons font is used in the menu and think that he should
use the same.
Thanks,
Marius
If you disagree with it what would be your proposal for XWIKI-12327?
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Marius
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
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Following a discussion at http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327# I’d like to propose
to add this new best practice in the App Guide, i.e. at
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/BestPractices
Rule: Do not use Skin-specific resources in Extensions/Applications
Rationale: If you do, then your Extension/Application will only work for that Skin. When
the default skin in XWiki is modified, your Extension/Application will stop to work fine.
Example: This is what happened in apps like in the Forum app which was using:
getSkinFile(“noavatar.png”) where “noavatar.png” was a Colibri-skin resource only. The
Forum app was broken when we moved to Flamingo and the Forum app had to be modified to use
getSkinFile("icons/xwiki/noavatar.png”) which is better since it’s a global resource,
thus available to all Skins (see
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/application-forum/commit/3d3a99e5665265607…).
WDYT? Anyone disagree? I’d like to clos this topic quickly so that we can close
XWIKI-12327.
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: Additional idea (I don’t know if it’s feasible): I wonder if we could even prevent
getSkinFile() to return a skin-specific resource if the originating code is not from a
resource from this Skin or if the originating code is not located in a Children Skin (i.e.
a skin css, skin jss or skin vm). i.e. consider that skin-specific resources have a
private access level.
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2:10 p.m.
On 8 Sep 2015 at 12:03:49, Marius Dumitru Florea
(mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com)) wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:52 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
FTM I’ve added what’s mentioned
at http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327?focusedCommentId=87817&page=co…
Anyone disagrees or have improved wording suggestions?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 8 Sep 2015 at 11:36:37, Marius Dumitru Florea
(mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com)) wrote:
We expect the extensions to be well integrated
into XWiki. This is
achieved by using the *current* color theme, the *current* icon set
and by limiting the amount of custom styles (use the styles from the
*current* skin as much as possible). In order to make the extension
consistent with the L&F of XWiki an extension developer will try to
use the same icons and images she sees in the XWiki UI (default skin).
This is the case with the noavatar image. Best is if the skins use
only icons/images defined in the icon set so that extensions use the
same images/icons.
Thanks Marius. That’s interesting but I’d put that in the best practice section of the
Skin Dev Guide.
Icon Set, Color Theme are not supposed to be related to Skins (and they shouldn’t be). So
that’s fine.
However, if an App uses the styles from a specific Skin, I don’t see how they’ll work
when the user uses another skin (and we have several on e.x.o) in his wiki or when the
default skin changes (imagine if all extensions need new releases when a new skin is out,
that’s a lot of work).
What about the best practice I proposed? I
couldn’t fully figure out if you agreed or disagreed with it :)
If the skins use custom icons/images and the extensions are not
allowed to use them then they won't be well integrated. There's going
to be visual inconsistency between the extensions and the skin. So I'm
fine with "Do not use Skin-specific resources in
Extensions/Applications" as long as we mention the alternative "use
the icon set" and we make sure the skins don't use custom
icons/images. For instance, currently we have a bit of inconsistency
between the Glyphicons font used by the skin and the FontAwesome font
used by the default icon set. A developer might inspect the HTML, see
that the Glyphicons font is used in the menu and think that he should
use the same. Thanks,
Marius
>
> If you disagree with it what would be your proposal for XWIKI-12327?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Marius
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
>> > Hi devs,
>> >
>> > Following a discussion at http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327# I’d
like to propose to add this new best practice in the App Guide, i.e. at
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/BestPractices
>> >
>> > Rule: Do not use Skin-specific resources in Extensions/Applications
>> >
>> > Rationale: If you do, then your Extension/Application will only work for
that Skin. When the default skin in XWiki is modified, your Extension/Application will
stop to work fine.
>> >
>> > Example: This is what happened in apps like in the Forum app which was
using: getSkinFile(“noavatar.png”) where “noavatar.png” was a Colibri-skin resource only.
The Forum app was broken when we moved to Flamingo and the Forum app had to be modified to
use getSkinFile("icons/xwiki/noavatar.png”) which is better since it’s a global
resource, thus available to all Skins (see
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/application-forum/commit/3d3a99e5665265607…).
>> >
>> > WDYT? Anyone disagree? I’d like to clos this topic quickly so that we can
close XWIKI-12327.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > -Vincent
>> >
>> > PS: Additional idea (I don’t know if it’s feasible): I wonder if we could
even prevent getSkinFile() to return a skin-specific resource if the originating code is
not from a resource from this Skin or if the originating code is not located in a Children
Skin (i.e. a skin css, skin jss or skin vm). i.e. consider that skin-specific resources
have a private access level.
>> >
9 Sep
9 Sep
12:02 p.m.
+1
Thanks,
Eduard
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 3:10 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
On 8 Sep 2015 at 12:03:49, Marius Dumitru Florea (
mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com))
wrote:
> What about the best practice I proposed? I couldn’t fully figure out if you
agreed or disagreed with it :)
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:52 PM,
vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
>
>
> On 8 Sep 2015 at 11:36:37, Marius Dumitru Florea (
mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com))
wrote:
>
>> We expect the extensions to be well integrated into XWiki. This is
>> achieved by using the *current* color theme, the *current* icon set
>> and by limiting the amount of custom styles (use the styles from the
>> *current* skin as much as possible). In order to make the extension
>> consistent with the L&F of XWiki an extension developer will try to
>> use the same icons and images she sees in the XWiki UI (default skin).
>> This is the case with the noavatar image. Best is if the skins use
>> only icons/images defined in the icon set so that extensions use the
>> same images/icons.
>
> Thanks Marius. That’s interesting but I’d put that in the best
practice
section of the Skin Dev Guide.
>
> Icon Set, Color Theme are not supposed to be related to Skins (and
they
shouldn’t be). So that’s fine.
>
> However, if an App uses the styles from a specific Skin, I don’t see
how
they’ll work when the user uses another skin (and we have several on
e.x.o) in his wiki or when the default skin changes (imagine if all
extensions need new releases when a new skin is out, that’s a lot of work).
If the skins use custom icons/images and the extensions are not
allowed to use them then they won't be well integrated. There's going
to be visual inconsistency between the extensions and the skin. So I'm
fine with "Do not use Skin-specific resources in
Extensions/Applications" as long as we mention the alternative "use
the icon set" and we make sure the skins don't use custom
icons/images. For instance, currently we have a bit of inconsistency
between the Glyphicons font used by the skin and the FontAwesome font
used by the default icon set. A developer might inspect the HTML, see
that the Glyphicons font is used in the menu and think that he should
use the same.
FTM I’ve added what’s mentioned at
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327?focusedCommentId=87817&page=co…
Anyone disagrees or have improved wording suggestions?
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Marius
>
> If you disagree with it what would be your proposal for XWIKI-12327?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Marius
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
>> > Hi devs,
>> >
>> > Following a discussion at http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327#
I’d like to propose to add this new best practice in the App Guide, i.e. at
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/BestPractices
>> >
>> > Rule: Do not use Skin-specific resources in Extensions/Applications
>> >
>> > Rationale: If you do, then your Extension/Application will only
work
for that Skin. When the default skin in XWiki is modified, your
Extension/Application will stop to work fine.
>> >
>> > Example: This is what happened in apps like in the Forum app which
was using: getSkinFile(“noavatar.png”) where “noavatar.png” was a
Colibri-skin resource only. The Forum app was broken when we moved to
Flamingo and the Forum app had to be modified to use
getSkinFile("icons/xwiki/noavatar.png”) which is better since it’s a global
resource, thus available to all Skins (see
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/application-forum/commit/3d3a99e5665265607…
).
>> >
>> > WDYT? Anyone disagree? I’d like to clos this topic quickly so that
we can close XWIKI-12327.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > -Vincent
>> >
>> > PS: Additional idea (I don’t know if it’s feasible): I wonder if we
could even prevent getSkinFile() to return a skin-specific resource if the
originating code is not from a resource from this Skin or if the
originating code is not located in a Children Skin (i.e. a skin css, skin
jss or skin vm). i.e. consider that skin-specific resources have a private
access level.
>> >
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+1
2015-09-09 12:02 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>om>:
+1
Thanks,
Eduard
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 3:10 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
work).
> What about the best practice I proposed? I couldn’t fully figure out if you
agreed or disagreed with it :)
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327?focusedCommentId=87817&page=co…
global
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Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
On 8 Sep 2015 at 12:03:49, Marius Dumitru Florea (
mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com))
wrote:
skin).
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:52 PM,
vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
>
>
> On 8 Sep 2015 at 11:36:37, Marius Dumitru Florea (
mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com))
wrote:
> >
> >> We expect the extensions to be well integrated into XWiki. This is
> >> achieved by using the *current* color theme, the *current* icon set
> >> and by limiting the amount of custom styles (use the styles from the
> >> *current* skin as much as possible). In order to make the extension
> >> consistent with the L&F of XWiki an extension developer will try to
> >> use the same icons and images she sees in the XWiki UI (default >>
This is the case with the noavatar image. Best is if the skins use
>> only icons/images defined in the icon set so that extensions use the
>> same images/icons.
>
> Thanks Marius. That’s interesting but I’d put that in the best
practice
section of the Skin Dev Guide.
>
> Icon Set, Color Theme are not supposed to be related to Skins (and
they
shouldn’t be). So that’s fine.
>
> However, if an App uses the styles from a specific Skin, I don’t see
how
they’ll work when the user uses another skin (and we have several on
e.x.o) in his wiki or when the default skin changes (imagine if all
extensions need new releases when a new skin is out, that’s a lot of
If the skins use custom icons/images and the extensions are not
allowed to use them then they won't be well integrated. There's going
to be visual inconsistency between the extensions and the skin. So I'm
fine with "Do not use Skin-specific resources in
Extensions/Applications" as long as we mention the alternative "use
the icon set" and we make sure the skins don't use custom
icons/images. For instance, currently we have a bit of inconsistency
between the Glyphicons font used by the skin and the FontAwesome font
used by the default icon set. A developer might inspect the HTML, see
that the Glyphicons font is used in the menu and think that he should
use the same.
FTM I’ve added what’s mentioned at
Anyone disagrees or have improved wording suggestions?
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks,
> Marius
>
> >
> > If you disagree with it what would be your proposal for XWIKI-12327?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >> Marius
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
> >> > Hi devs,
> >> >
> >> > Following a discussion at
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12327#
I’d like to propose to add this new best practice
in the App Guide, i.e.
at
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/BestPractices
> >> >
> >> > Rule: Do not use Skin-specific resources in
Extensions/Applications
>>
>
>> > Rationale: If you do, then your Extension/Application will only
work
for that Skin. When the default skin in XWiki is modified, your
Extension/Application will stop to work fine.
>> >
>> > Example: This is what happened in apps like in the Forum app which
was using: getSkinFile(“noavatar.png”) where “noavatar.png” was a
Colibri-skin resource only. The Forum app was broken when we moved to
Flamingo and the Forum app had to be modified to use
getSkinFile("icons/xwiki/noavatar.png”) which is better since it’s a resource, thus available to all Skins (see
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/application-forum/commit/3d3a99e5665265607…
).
we
>> >
>> > WDYT? Anyone disagree? I’d like to clos this topic quickly so that
we can close XWIKI-12327.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > -Vincent
> >> >
> >> > PS: Additional idea (I don’t know if it’s feasible): I wonder if
could even prevent getSkinFile() to return a
skin-specific resource if
the
originating code is not from a resource from this
Skin or if the
originating code is not located in a Children Skin (i.e. a skin css, skin
jss or skin vm). i.e. consider that skin-specific resources have a
private
access level.
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
>> >
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