On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote: I think I would prefer "XWiki Distribution" since that's what it is after all: some distribution of XWiki and the only one we support. That's also the naming I started to use on https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/tree/feature-platformdistribution/x… and I don't want to rename all that :).

>> * “XWiki Core”: Represents the set of XWiki APIs/sources making up the >> "XWiki Platform”. >> > The sources are available in github in the xwiki-commons, xwiki-rendering >> and xwiki-platform repositories. More globally can be meant to represent >> all the sources found in the xwiki github organization. >> >> * “XWiki Contrib”: Extensions to the "XWiki Runtime”. Located under the >> xwiki-contrib organization in github. >> >> * The "XWiki Core Development Team” or “XWiki Core Team” (previously >> called "XWiki Development Team"): the list of committers of the “xwiki" >> github organization. >> >> * “XWiki Platform”: synonymous for “XWiki Core”. Since “XWiki Platform” >> could also represent the xwiki-platform github repository, it’s better to >> use “XWiki Core” when wanting to name the full content of the xwiki github >> organization. For example: “The XWiki Core Development Team works on XWiki >> Core”… >> > > But we will still be saying that XWiki is a "platform" on which you can > build your stuff, right? > > I would prefer not to mix the 2 terms, "Platform" and "Core", since IMO > "Core" includes "Platform", but not necessarily the other way around. > Remember that commons and rendering are theoretically stand-alone projects > which are not directly connected to XWiki. The Platform works with the > rendering and commons to produce its artefacts but I would no go as far as > to say that it also includes them and would prefer to use "XWiki Core" for > that part. > > >> >> * “Flavor”: a set of Extensions (usually with a purpose) that can be >> installed all together in a XWiki Runtime or when creating a subwiki inside >> the XWiki Runtime. >> >> * The “Default Flavor”: the unique flavor provided by the “XWiki Core >> Development Team”. Contrib projects and more generally anyone else can >> contribute other flavors on extensions.xwiki.org. These flavors will >> appear in the XWiki Platform when you first run it or when you create a new >> subwiki. The Default Flavor is going to replace “XWiki Enterprise” (and >> enterprise.xwiki.org will be removed and folded into platform.xwiki.org - >> the same will happen for xwiki-enterprise which will be folded into >> xwiki-platform in github) >> >> * “XWiki Committers” or “XWiki Team". Vague terms that represent the full >> set of committers of both the xwiki and xwiki-contrib github organizations. >> >> * “XWiki N.P”. Shortcut for the “XWiki Runtime” version N.P (e.g. “XWiki >> 7.4.1”). >> > > Will probably also be synonymous with "Default Flavor" version N.P since it > will be synchronized with the "XWiki Runtime". > > >> >> * The “XWiki Project”. Generic term that includes the work done by XWiki >> Contrib Committers, XWiki Core Committers and by extensions the work done >> by the full community of contributors to both xwiki and xwiki-contrib >> github organizations. >> >> >> Do you agree with this? Any other terms that we should define? >> > > Generally +1 (with the above mentions). > > Thanks, > Eduard > > >> >> Once agreed I’ll kickstart the work by updating xwiki.org pages by >> creating a Terminology page and update some existing pages. However it’ll >> be up to everyone to follow the terminology. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:39 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: For me "distribution" has the same meaning than in Linux world: a arbitrary choice of stuff put together to make a produce you can use. It's also the meaning it has in the Distribution Wizard which is to setup the distribution you installed. WAR, ZIP, DEB, etc. are just packages of this distribution.

> Thanks > -Vincent > >> >> * “XWiki Core”: Represents the set of XWiki APIs/sources making up the >> >> "XWiki Platform”. >> >> >> > The sources are available in github in the xwiki-commons, xwiki-rendering >> >> and xwiki-platform repositories. More globally can be meant to represent >> >> all the sources found in the xwiki github organization. >> >> >> >> * “XWiki Contrib”: Extensions to the "XWiki Runtime”. Located under the >> >> xwiki-contrib organization in github. >> >> >> >> * The "XWiki Core Development Team” or “XWiki Core Team” (previously >> >> called "XWiki Development Team"): the list of committers of the “xwiki" >> >> github organization. >> >> >> >> * “XWiki Platform”: synonymous for “XWiki Core”. Since “XWiki Platform” >> >> could also represent the xwiki-platform github repository, it’s better to >> >> use “XWiki Core” when wanting to name the full content of the xwiki github >> >> organization. For example: “The XWiki Core Development Team works on XWiki >> >> Core”… >> >> >> > >> > But we will still be saying that XWiki is a "platform" on which you can >> > build your stuff, right? >> > >> > I would prefer not to mix the 2 terms, "Platform" and "Core", since IMO >> > "Core" includes "Platform", but not necessarily the other way around. >> > Remember that commons and rendering are theoretically stand-alone projects >> > which are not directly connected to XWiki. The Platform works with the >> > rendering and commons to produce its artefacts but I would no go as far as >> > to say that it also includes them and would prefer to use "XWiki Core" for >> > that part. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> * “Flavor”: a set of Extensions (usually with a purpose) that can be >> >> installed all together in a XWiki Runtime or when creating a subwiki inside >> >> the XWiki Runtime. >> >> >> >> * The “Default Flavor”: the unique flavor provided by the “XWiki Core >> >> Development Team”. Contrib projects and more generally anyone else can >> >> contribute other flavors on extensions.xwiki.org. These flavors will >> >> appear in the XWiki Platform when you first run it or when you create a new >> >> subwiki. The Default Flavor is going to replace “XWiki Enterprise” (and >> >> enterprise.xwiki.org will be removed and folded into platform.xwiki.org - >> >> the same will happen for xwiki-enterprise which will be folded into >> >> xwiki-platform in github) >> >> >> >> * “XWiki Committers” or “XWiki Team". Vague terms that represent the full >> >> set of committers of both the xwiki and xwiki-contrib github organizations. >> >> >> >> * “XWiki N.P”. Shortcut for the “XWiki Runtime” version N.P (e.g. “XWiki >> >> 7.4.1”). >> >> >> > >> > Will probably also be synonymous with "Default Flavor" version N.P since it >> > will be synchronized with the "XWiki Runtime". >> > >> > >> >> >> >> * The “XWiki Project”. Generic term that includes the work done by XWiki >> >> Contrib Committers, XWiki Core Committers and by extensions the work done >> >> by the full community of contributors to both xwiki and xwiki-contrib >> >> github organizations. >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you agree with this? Any other terms that we should define? >> >> >> > >> > Generally +1 (with the above mentions). >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Eduard >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Once agreed I’ll kickstart the work by updating xwiki.org pages by >> >> creating a Terminology page and update some existing pages. However it’ll >> >> be up to everyone to follow the terminology. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> -Vincent

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:24 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: "XWiki Distribution Packages" sounds better to me but it's a detail. We only support one is not the same as there is only one. Anyone can create other distributions of XWiki (based on this one most probably).

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:55 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: I said "other distributions" nit other "XWiki Distribution" :) This one is the default distribution basically.

> Thanks > -Vincent > >> > I’ll go with whatever the majority chooses. >> > >> > Thanks >> > -Vincent >> > >> >> > Thanks >> >> > -Vincent >> >> > >> >> >> >> * “XWiki Core”: Represents the set of XWiki APIs/sources making up the >> >> >> >> "XWiki Platform”. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The sources are available in github in the xwiki-commons, xwiki-rendering >> >> >> >> and xwiki-platform repositories. More globally can be meant to represent >> >> >> >> all the sources found in the xwiki github organization. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * “XWiki Contrib”: Extensions to the "XWiki Runtime”. Located under the >> >> >> >> xwiki-contrib organization in github. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * The "XWiki Core Development Team” or “XWiki Core Team” (previously >> >> >> >> called "XWiki Development Team"): the list of committers of the “xwiki" >> >> >> >> github organization. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * “XWiki Platform”: synonymous for “XWiki Core”. Since “XWiki Platform” >> >> >> >> could also represent the xwiki-platform github repository, it’s better to >> >> >> >> use “XWiki Core” when wanting to name the full content of the xwiki github >> >> >> >> organization. For example: “The XWiki Core Development Team works on XWiki >> >> >> >> Core”… >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > But we will still be saying that XWiki is a "platform" on which you can >> >> >> > build your stuff, right? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I would prefer not to mix the 2 terms, "Platform" and "Core", since IMO >> >> >> > "Core" includes "Platform", but not necessarily the other way around. >> >> >> > Remember that commons and rendering are theoretically stand-alone projects >> >> >> > which are not directly connected to XWiki. The Platform works with the >> >> >> > rendering and commons to produce its artefacts but I would no go as far as >> >> >> > to say that it also includes them and would prefer to use "XWiki Core" for >> >> >> > that part. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * “Flavor”: a set of Extensions (usually with a purpose) that can be >> >> >> >> installed all together in a XWiki Runtime or when creating a subwiki inside >> >> >> >> the XWiki Runtime. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * The “Default Flavor”: the unique flavor provided by the “XWiki Core >> >> >> >> Development Team”. Contrib projects and more generally anyone else can >> >> >> >> contribute other flavors on extensions.xwiki.org. These flavors will >> >> >> >> appear in the XWiki Platform when you first run it or when you create a new >> >> >> >> subwiki. The Default Flavor is going to replace “XWiki Enterprise” (and >> >> >> >> enterprise.xwiki.org will be removed and folded into platform.xwiki.org - >> >> >> >> the same will happen for xwiki-enterprise which will be folded into >> >> >> >> xwiki-platform in github) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * “XWiki Committers” or “XWiki Team". Vague terms that represent the full >> >> >> >> set of committers of both the xwiki and xwiki-contrib github organizations. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * “XWiki N.P”. Shortcut for the “XWiki Runtime” version N.P (e.g. “XWiki >> >> >> >> 7.4.1”). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Will probably also be synonymous with "Default Flavor" version N.P since it >> >> >> > will be synchronized with the "XWiki Runtime". >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * The “XWiki Project”. Generic term that includes the work done by XWiki >> >> >> >> Contrib Committers, XWiki Core Committers and by extensions the work done >> >> >> >> by the full community of contributors to both xwiki and xwiki-contrib >> >> >> >> github organizations. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you agree with this? Any other terms that we should define? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Generally +1 (with the above mentions). >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> >> > Eduard >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Once agreed I’ll kickstart the work by updating xwiki.org pages by >> >> >> >> creating a Terminology page and update some existing pages. However it’ll >> >> >> >> be up to everyone to follow the terminology. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> -Vincent

Hi, On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:10 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: The doc for "XWiki Runtime" is available on platform.xwiki.org (not on runtime.xwiki.org).... sounds a bit weird to me. Maybe we should create an alias for runtime, just in case?

Also, the runtime is the result/artefact of building the platform, right? It`s what you actually get to install, as a user.

The sources are available in github in the xwiki-commons, xwiki-rendering But we will still be saying that XWiki is a "platform" on which you can build your stuff, right?

I would prefer not to mix the 2 terms, "Platform" and "Core", since IMO "Core" includes "Platform", but not necessarily the other way around. Remember that commons and rendering are theoretically stand-alone projects which are not directly connected to XWiki. The Platform works with the rendering and commons to produce its artefacts but I would no go as far as to say that it also includes them and would prefer to use "XWiki Core" for that part.

Will probably also be synonymous with "Default Flavor" version N.P since it will be synchronized with the "XWiki Runtime”.

Generally +1 (with the above mentions).

Thanks, Eduard > > Once agreed I’ll kickstart the work by updating xwiki.org pages by > creating a Terminology page and update some existing pages. However it’ll > be up to everyone to follow the terminology. > > Thanks > -Vincent >

On 11 Feb 2016 at 17:10:28, vincent(a)massol.net (vincent@massol.net(mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote: I forgot a very important one: What’s the scope of "XWiki Core”? For that we can update the “XWiki Core” definition: * “XWiki Core”: Represents the set of XWiki APIs/sources that end up being in the “Default Flavor". The sources are available in github in the xwiki-commons, xwiki-rendering and xwiki-platform repositories. More globally can be meant to represent all the sources found in the xwiki github organization. Generally speaking any module that isn’t bundled in the “Default Flavor” should be moved to XWiki Contrib.

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I think they are ok, although I find it to be a lot of terminology. Still not sure why we need the "XWiki N.P". First of all is a mix of NS/ND,

plus I am not sure why we should give it such an importance that it enters the terminology. I would use "since 7.4.1" instead, just like we have with all our documentation done for a particular version.

Also “XWiki Platform”: synonymous for “XWiki Core” I find it to be confusing and I think we should use Core instead if we want to talk about everything.

Also we are keep talking about "Default Flavor" which currently now is "XWiki Enterprise" but it will change. Still the logo will be XWiki, so will we want to brand somehow the "Default Flavor"? or we just keep it XWiki? For the users "Default Flavor" = "XWiki", but I guess we will need to discuss this when the Flavors will evolve.

Thanks, Caty On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs