21 Nov
2008
21 Nov
'08
10:33 a.m.
Hi XWikiers,
I've started to refactor WYSIWYG mockups according to the last
discussions on the list. For this first vote I propose to validate its
general layout.
The mockup can be found here, I hope it is self-explaining :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb…
You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup.
Here's my +1.
JV.
21 Nov
21 Nov
11:06 a.m.
I'm +1 for the general layout (menu bar above tool bar above rich text
area). As for the layout of WYSIWYG/Wiki and full screen switches I'm +0.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Hi XWikiers,
I've started to refactor WYSIWYG mockups according to the last
discussions on the list. For this first vote I propose to validate its
general layout.
The mockup can be found here, I hope it is self-explaining :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb…
You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup.
Here's my +1.
JV.
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12:45 p.m.
Non-binding +1 for the general layout as well.
Guillaume
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I'm +1 for the general layout (menu bar above tool
bar above rich text
area). As for the layout of WYSIWYG/Wiki and full screen switches I'm +0.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
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Hi XWikiers,
I've started to refactor WYSIWYG mockups according to the last
discussions on the list. For this first vote I propose to validate its
general layout.
The mockup can be found here, I hope it is self-explaining :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb…
You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki
mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup.
Here's my +1.
JV.
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1:51 p.m.
+1
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean <jv(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi XWikiers,
I've started to refactor WYSIWYG mockups according to the last
discussions on the list. For this first vote I propose to validate its
general layout.
The mockup can be found here, I hope it is self-explaining :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb…
You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup.
Here's my +1.
JV.
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2:48 p.m.
Don't pay attention to the text formatting toolbar, I've used balsamiq
default widget and it is not a spec for our toolbar.
JV.
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean <jv(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi XWikiers,
I've started to refactor WYSIWYG mockups according to the last
discussions on the list. For this first vote I propose to validate its
general layout.
The mockup can be found here, I hope it is self-explaining :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb…
You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup.
Here's my +1.
JV.
2:58 p.m.
+1 in general but some comments to address:
* I don't understand the "Fullscreen" text and the "/ ..." element
next to it
* I see you've put Wiki and Wysiwyg tabs. What happens if I want a
text area with only wiki mode or only wysiwyg editor?
* Where are located the other editors (objects, class, rights,
history, etc)?
* Why are there some arrow ">" in some menu items but not in others?
* Edit image properties --> Edit image
* I don't think we can have macros listed in the menu item. We need
categorization + ability to search for macros to insert them so I'd
rather have "Insert Macro" instead with possibly below (separated by a
---) a list of common macros with a "More..." button too.
* Edit macro properties --> Edit macro
* I'm not sure I like the where the help is located in the wiki
editor. Also I think it might be good to have the same toolbar in wiki
editor (this removes the need for the help there I think and we can
instead have a reference help somewhere else or simply a "?" button
that opens the help)
* I'm not sure where "Justify left" is located, couldn't find it.
Note: I'm just commenting for the section entitled "Toolbars" in the
document.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Nov 21, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Hi XWikiers,
I've started to refactor WYSIWYG mockups according to the last
discussions on the list. For this first vote I propose to validate its
general layout.
The mockup can be found here, I hope it is self-explaining :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb…
You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup.
Here's my +1.
JV.
3:51 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
+1 in general but some comments to address:
* I don't understand the "Fullscreen" text and the "/ ..."
element
next to it
The link is supposed to be less visible, I've updated the mockup (and
I think there will be a little pop-out icon at the left in the end).
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb…
* I see you've put Wiki and Wysiwyg tabs. What
happens if I want a
text area with only wiki mode or only wysiwyg editor?
"2 models of toolbars will be available : one for classic textareas
(wiki pages, blog articles, generally speaking all large textareas)
and one for smaller textareas (comments, short descriptions)."
The light version of the wysiwyg editor is to be defined.
* Where are located the other editors (objects, class,
rights,
history, etc)?
This discussion is not part of this vote imho.
* Why are there some arrow ">" in some
menu items but not in others?
The arrows were here to make a difference between single entry vs.
multiple entries dropdowns but they are not relevant now, I've removed
them.
* Edit image properties --> Edit image
* Edit macro properties --> Edit macro
It reminds me a discussion about focusing on the meaning of words ;)
Since we don't provide an online image editor + we don't offer the
ability to edit macros from the wysiwyg I'm still +1 for keeping
"properties".
* I don't think we can have macros listed in the
menu item. We need
categorization + ability to search for macros to insert them so I'd
rather have "Insert Macro" instead with possibly below (separated by a
---) a list of common macros with a "More..." button too.
Looks better. I've updated the mockup accordingly.
* I'm not sure I like the where the help is
located in the wiki
editor. Also I think it might be good to have the same toolbar in wiki
editor (this removes the need for the help there I think and we can
instead have a reference help somewhere else or simply a "?" button
that opens the help)
"You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup."
* I'm not sure where "Justify left" is
located, couldn't find it.
"Don't pay attention to the text formatting toolbar, I've used balsamiq
default widget and it is not a spec for our toolbar."
Thanks for the feedback.
JV.
4:39 p.m.
On Nov 21, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
ok so it's not part of this discussion I guess.
I know but you're asking to vote on the general toolbar layout. What
I'm saying and which is an important decision is that we might want to
also have toolbars for the wiki editor.
I was commenting on the following text:
"Hovering on a menu item such as "Justify left" highlights the item
with a transparent dark background with a border"
I wasn't sure what this was applying to?
oh... could it be that you don't mean "menu item" but "toolbar
item"? :)
In which case I agree.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Yes I think an icon/image would be better than text.
+1 in general but some comments to address:
* I don't understand the "Fullscreen" text and the "/ ..."
element
next to it
The link is supposed to be less visible, I've updated the mockup (and
I think there will be a little pop-out icon at the left in the end).
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb… * I see
you've put Wiki and Wysiwyg tabs. What happens if I want a
text area with only wiki mode or only wysiwyg editor?
"2 models of toolbars will be available : one for classic textareas
(wiki pages, blog articles, generally speaking all large textareas)
and one for smaller textareas (comments, short descriptions)."
The light version of the wysiwyg editor is to be defined. * Where are
located the other editors (objects, class, rights,
history, etc)?
This discussion is not part of this vote imho.
* Why are there some arrow ">" in
some menu items but not in others?
The arrows were here to make a difference between single entry vs.
multiple entries dropdowns but they are not relevant now, I've removed
them.
* Edit image properties --> Edit image
* Edit macro properties --> Edit macro
It reminds me a discussion about focusing on the meaning of words ;)
Since we don't provide an online image editor + we don't offer the
ability to edit macros from the wysiwyg I'm still +1 for keeping
"properties".
* I don't think we can have macros listed in
the menu item. We need
categorization + ability to search for macros to insert them so I'd
rather have "Insert Macro" instead with possibly below (separated
by a
---) a list of common macros with a "More..." button too.
Looks better. I've updated the mockup accordingly.
* I'm not sure I like the where the help is
located in the wiki
editor. Also I think it might be good to have the same toolbar in
wiki
editor (this removes the need for the help there I think and we can
instead have a reference help somewhere else or simply a "?" button
that opens the help)
"You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup." * I'm not
sure where "Justify left" is located, couldn't find it.
"Don't pay attention to the text formatting toolbar, I've used
balsamiq
default widget and it is not a spec for our toolbar." 
24 Nov
24 Nov
3:20 p.m.
+1... for me
Le 21 nov. 08 à 16:39, Vincent Massol a écrit :
ok so it's not part of this discussion I guess.
I know but you're asking to vote on the general toolbar layout. What
I'm saying and which is an important decision is that we might want to
also have toolbars for the wiki editor.
I was commenting on the following text:
"Hovering on a menu item such as "Justify left" highlights the item
with a transparent dark background with a border"
I wasn't sure what this was applying to?
oh... could it be that you don't mean "menu item" but "toolbar
item"? :)
In which case I agree.
Thanks
-Vincent
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On Nov 21, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
for me text is better : users do not understand/use fullscreen icon
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Yes I think an icon/image would be better than text. +1 in general but some comments to address:
* I don't understand the "Fullscreen" text and the "/ ..."
element
next to it
The link is supposed to be less visible, I've updated the mockup (and
I think there will be a little pop-out icon at the left in the end).
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb… * I see
you've put Wiki and Wysiwyg tabs. What happens if I want a
text area with only wiki mode or only wysiwyg editor?
"2 models of toolbars will be available : one for classic textareas
(wiki pages, blog articles, generally speaking all large textareas)
and one for smaller textareas (comments, short descriptions)."
The light version of the wysiwyg editor is to be defined. * Where
are located the other editors (objects, class, rights,
history, etc)?
This discussion is not part of this vote imho.
* Why are there some arrow ">" in
some menu items but not in others?
The arrows were here to make a difference between single entry vs.
multiple entries dropdowns but they are not relevant now, I've
removed
them.
* Edit image properties --> Edit image
* Edit macro properties --> Edit macro
It reminds me a discussion about focusing on the meaning of words ;)
Since we don't provide an online image editor + we don't offer the
ability to edit macros from the wysiwyg I'm still +1 for keeping
"properties".
* I don't think we can have macros listed in
the menu item. We need
categorization + ability to search for macros to insert them so I'd
rather have "Insert Macro" instead with possibly below (separated
by a
---) a list of common macros with a "More..." button too.
Looks better. I've updated the mockup accordingly.
* I'm not sure I like the where the help is
located in the wiki
editor. Also I think it might be good to have the same toolbar in
wiki
editor (this removes the need for the help there I think and we can
instead have a reference help somewhere else or simply a "?" button
that opens the help)
"You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup." * I'm
not sure where "Justify left" is located, couldn't find it.
"Don't pay attention to the text formatting toolbar, I've used
balsamiq
default widget and it is not a spec for our toolbar." 
21 Nov
21 Nov
3:11 p.m.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Hi XWikiers,
I've started to refactor WYSIWYG mockups according to the last
discussions on the list. For this first vote I propose to validate its
general layout.
The mockup can be found here, I hope it is self-explaining :
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface#HToolb…
You can ignore the inline syntax help in wiki mode, it was just a
thought while doing the mockup.
Here's my +1.
I don't like the Fullscreen link.
In wiki mode, I'm not sure the sample area is large enough to contain
all the examples, but I don't think we should make it bigger.
+1 for the rest.
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