21 Jun
2016
21 Jun
'16
2:58 p.m.
Hi,
This thread is about deciding on a future for the Main.Welcome page. This
page was used as the first gadget's content and was intended to be modified
by the users. In 8.2M2 we changed the content of Main.WebHome page to
provide simple wiki text instead of the Dashboard include, deprecating
somehow the purpose of the Welcome page.
Problem: In the 'Navigation' panel the "Welcome to your wiki" is
displayed
as a child page of "Home". Users might ask what is the purpose of this page.
We could either:
1. Keep it
1.A and mark it as hidden: in order to not be displayed in the Navigation
tree
1.B and move it to Dashboard: instead of being in the Main space, since now
it's used only there.
1.C and change the text: from a generic 'Welcome' message, to instructions
on how to edit the Dashboard (we would need a separate proposal on the
content + if we want to display other gadgets)
2. Remove it
We could consider that its content is deprecated by the new Main.WebHome
page, so no need for this page. So we could delete the page + remove it
from Dashboard. Dashboard could highlight more advanced gadgets (needing
the separate Dashboard proposal).
Let me know what you think,
Caty
21 Jun
21 Jun
11:37 p.m.
Hi,
+1 for 1.B since I see it part of the default content of the default
dashboard (default page used in the include gadget) that a user will get
when creating a subwiki (for example) or that an admin would have if he
changes the homepage of the wiki to be the Dasbhoard Page.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This thread is about deciding on a future for the Main.Welcome page. This
page was used as the first gadget's content and was intended to be modified
by the users. In 8.2M2 we changed the content of Main.WebHome page to
provide simple wiki text instead of the Dashboard include, deprecating
somehow the purpose of the Welcome page.
Problem: In the 'Navigation' panel the "Welcome to your wiki" is
displayed
as a child page of "Home". Users might ask what is the purpose of this
page.
We could either:
1. Keep it
1.A and mark it as hidden: in order to not be displayed in the Navigation
tree
1.B and move it to Dashboard: instead of being in the Main space, since now
it's used only there.
1.C and change the text: from a generic 'Welcome' message, to instructions
on how to edit the Dashboard (we would need a separate proposal on the
content + if we want to display other gadgets)
2. Remove it
We could consider that its content is deprecated by the new Main.WebHome
page, so no need for this page. So we could delete the page + remove it
from Dashboard. Dashboard could highlight more advanced gadgets (needing
the separate Dashboard proposal).
Let me know what you think,
Caty
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22 Jun
22 Jun
9:31 a.m.
I'm fine with either 1B+1C or 2. In other words I don't think we should
keep it in the Main space and I think its content is a bit redundant with
what we have on the home page.
Thanks,
Marius
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This thread is about deciding on a future for the Main.Welcome page. This
page was used as the first gadget's content and was intended to be modified
by the users. In 8.2M2 we changed the content of Main.WebHome page to
provide simple wiki text instead of the Dashboard include, deprecating
somehow the purpose of the Welcome page.
Problem: In the 'Navigation' panel the "Welcome to your wiki" is
displayed
as a child page of "Home". Users might ask what is the purpose of this
page.
We could either:
1. Keep it
1.A and mark it as hidden: in order to not be displayed in the Navigation
tree
1.B and move it to Dashboard: instead of being in the Main space, since now
it's used only there.
1.C and change the text: from a generic 'Welcome' message, to instructions
on how to edit the Dashboard (we would need a separate proposal on the
content + if we want to display other gadgets)
2. Remove it
We could consider that its content is deprecated by the new Main.WebHome
page, so no need for this page. So we could delete the page + remove it
from Dashboard. Dashboard could highlight more advanced gadgets (needing
the separate Dashboard proposal).
Let me know what you think,
Caty
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11:27 a.m.
Same opinion than Marius.
2016-06-22 9:31 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>gt;:
I'm fine with either 1B+1C or 2. In other words I
don't think we should
keep it in the Main space and I think its content is a bit redundant with
what we have on the home page.
Thanks,
Marius
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
Hi,
This thread is about deciding on a future for the Main.Welcome page. This
page was used as the first gadget's content and was intended to be
modified
by the users. In 8.2M2 we changed the content of
Main.WebHome page to
provide simple wiki text instead of the Dashboard include, deprecating
somehow the purpose of the Welcome page.
Problem: In the 'Navigation' panel the "Welcome to your wiki" is
displayed
as a child page of "Home". Users might
ask what is the purpose of this
page.
We could either:
1. Keep it
1.A and mark it as hidden: in order to not be displayed in the Navigation
tree
1.B and move it to Dashboard: instead of being in the Main space, since
now
it's used only there.
1.C and change the text: from a generic 'Welcome' message, to
instructions
on how to edit the Dashboard (we would need a
separate proposal on the
content + if we want to display other gadgets)
2. Remove it
We could consider that its content is deprecated by the new Main.WebHome
page, so no need for this page. So we could delete the page + remove it
from Dashboard. Dashboard could highlight more advanced gadgets (needing
the separate Dashboard proposal).
Let me know what you think,
Caty
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1:24 p.m.
Hi Caty,
On 21 Jun 2016, at 14:58, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This thread is about deciding on a future for the Main.Welcome page. This
page was used as the first gadget's content and was intended to be modified
by the users. In 8.2M2 we changed the content of Main.WebHome page to
provide simple wiki text instead of the Dashboard include, deprecating
somehow the purpose of the Welcome page.
Problem: In the 'Navigation' panel the "Welcome to your wiki" is
displayed
as a child page of "Home". Users might ask what is the purpose of this page.
We could either:
1. Keep it
1.A and mark it as hidden: in order to not be displayed in the Navigation
tree
1.B and move it to Dashboard: instead of being in the Main space, since now
it's used only there.
1.C and change the text: from a generic 'Welcome' message, to instructions
on how to edit the Dashboard (we would need a separate proposal on the
content + if we want to display other gadgets)
2. Remove it
We could consider that its content is deprecated by the new Main.WebHome
page, so no need for this page. So we could delete the page + remove it
from Dashboard. Dashboard could highlight more advanced gadgets (needing
the separate Dashboard proposal).
Let me know what you think,
+1 for 2. It’s not needed anymore since it’s been replaced by the new home page. It’s
better to make the Dashboard useful right away (ie with useful content).
Now, I haven’t checked, but if we still generate subwiki’s home pages with the Dashboard,
I believe we may also want to review this (for some of the same reasons we modified the
main wiki’s home page, such as easiness of editing it) and replace it with a new subwiki
home page.
For me we should definitely not have some welcome message in the Dashboard app anymore.
It’s not its purpose.
Thanks
-Vincent
Caty
27 Jun
27 Jun
5:17 p.m.
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Caty,
When we create subwikis, they have the same content as the main wiki (the
new homepage and panels).
Current Status:
1. Keep it: +1 (Edy), +0.5 (Marius), +0.5 (GD)
1.A and mark it as hidden:
1.B and move it to Dashboard: (Edy), (Marius), (GD)
1.C and change the text: (Marius), (GD)
2. Remove it: +0.5 (Marius), +1 (Vincent)
Some questions:
a. Do we have a procedure for deleting pages from l10n? a way to retire
them? (some property in l10n + removal from the release script = [2])
b. Do we have a procedure when the translations of a page change path?
(like moving from Main space to Dashboard space = [1.B])
c. Do we have a procedure for deprecating the whole content of a page?
(let's say we don't do the move, we keep it in Main, how do we mark that
the whole content is changed in English, but needs to be updated in the
other languages? = [1.C])
Thanks,
Caty
On 21 Jun 2016, at 14:58, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
This thread is about deciding on a future for the Main.Welcome page. This
page was used as the first gadget's content and was intended to be
modified
by the users. In 8.2M2 we changed the content of
Main.WebHome page to
provide simple wiki text instead of the Dashboard include, deprecating
somehow the purpose of the Welcome page.
Problem: In the 'Navigation' panel the "Welcome to your wiki" is
displayed
as a child page of "Home". Users might
ask what is the purpose of this
page.
We could either:
1. Keep it
1.A and mark it as hidden: in order to not be displayed in the Navigation
tree
1.B and move it to Dashboard: instead of being in the Main space, since
now
it's used only there.
1.C and change the text: from a generic 'Welcome' message, to
instructions
on how to edit the Dashboard (we would need a
separate proposal on the
content + if we want to display other gadgets)
2. Remove it
We could consider that its content is deprecated by the new Main.WebHome
page, so no need for this page. So we could delete the page + remove it
from Dashboard. Dashboard could highlight more advanced gadgets (needing
the separate Dashboard proposal).
Let me know what you think,
+1 for 2. It’s not needed anymore since it’s been replaced by the new home
page. It’s better to make the Dashboard useful right away (ie with useful
content).
Now, I haven’t checked, but if we still generate subwiki’s home pages with
the Dashboard, I believe we may also want to review this (for some of the
same reasons we modified the main wiki’s home page, such as easiness of
editing it) and replace it with a new subwiki home page.
For me we should definitely not have some welcome message in the Dashboard
app anymore. It’s not its purpose.
Thanks
-Vincent
Caty
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11:30 a.m.
+1 for 2.
I don't think we need a welcome message in the dashboard anymore.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Navigation
Main.WebHome
home
Hi Caty,
This
On 21 Jun 2016, at 14:58, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This thread is about deciding on a future for the Main.Welcome page. page was
used as the first gadget's content and was intended to be
modified
by the users. In 8.2M2 we changed the content of
Main.WebHome page to
provide simple wiki text instead of the Dashboard include, deprecating
somehow the purpose of the Welcome page.
Problem: In the 'Navigation' panel the "Welcome to your wiki" is
displayed
as a child page of "Home". Users might
ask what is the purpose of this
page.
>
> We could either:
> 1. Keep it
> 1.A and mark it as hidden: in order to not be displayed in the tree
1.B and move it to Dashboard: instead of being in the Main space, since
now
it's used only there.
1.C and change the text: from a generic 'Welcome' message, to
instructions
> on how to edit the Dashboard (we would need a separate proposal on the
> content + if we want to display other gadgets)
>
> 2. Remove it
> We could consider that its content is deprecated by the new > page, so no need for this page. So we could
delete the page + remove it
> from Dashboard. Dashboard could highlight more advanced gadgets
(needing
the
separate Dashboard proposal).
Let me know what you think,
+1 for 2. It’s not needed anymore since it’s been replaced by the new page. It’s better to make the Dashboard useful
right away (ie with useful
content).
Now, I haven’t checked, but if we still generate subwiki’s home pages
with
the Dashboard, I believe we may also want to
review this (for some of the
same reasons we modified the main wiki’s home page, such as easiness of
editing it) and replace it with a new subwiki home page.
When we create subwikis, they have the same content as the main wiki (the
new homepage and panels).
Current Status:
1. Keep it: +1 (Edy), +0.5 (Marius), +0.5 (GD)
1.A and mark it as hidden:
1.B and move it to Dashboard: (Edy), (Marius), (GD)
1.C and change the text: (Marius), (GD)
2. Remove it: +0.5 (Marius), +1 (Vincent)
Some questions:
a. Do we have a procedure for deleting pages from l10n? a way to retire
them? (some property in l10n + removal from the release script = [2])
b. Do we have a procedure when the translations of a page change path?
(like moving from Main space to Dashboard space = [1.B])
c. Do we have a procedure for deprecating the whole content of a page?
(let's say we don't do the move, we keep it in Main, how do we mark that
the whole content is changed in English, but needs to be updated in the
other languages? = [1.C])
Thanks,
Caty
For me we should definitely not have some welcome message in the
Dashboard
app anymore. It’s not its purpose.
Thanks
-Vincent
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I'm fine with either, 1.A.B.C or 2.
I would make it hidden since the rest of gadgets on Dashboard are hidden
(Activity, Pages, etc.) and I don't like that the tree displays the Welcome
page.
The main problem with the move to Dashboard is that we would need to change
the path in l10n + deprecate somehow the translated content + find a
suitable text to describe the interaction with the Dashboard. In this case
the name Welcome would not be that appropriate since it will be mostly Help
text, rather than Welcome. Also instructions on how to interact with the
Dashboard could be provided by a Tour.
So since we have some technical problems + change of purpose of the page =
I think I am in favor of removing it. The only problem is that the
Dashboard will look a bit empty, so we will need a proposal for it too.
So +1 for 2.
Current Status:
1. Keep it: +1 (Edy), +0.5 (Marius), +0.5 (GD) = 2
1.A and mark it as hidden:
1.B and move it to Dashboard: (Edy), (Marius), (GD)
1.C and change the text: (Marius), (GD)
2. Remove it: +0.5 (Marius), +0.5 (GD), +1 (Vincent), +1 (Anca), +1 (Caty)
= 4
Thanks,
Caty
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1 for 2.
I don't think we need a welcome message in the dashboard anymore.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
deprecating
since
it
home
> page. It’s better to make the Dashboard useful right away (ie with useful
the
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On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> > On 21 Jun 2016, at 14:58, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This thread is about deciding on a future for the Main.Welcome page.
This
> > page was used as the first gadget's content and was intended to be
> modified
> > by the users. In 8.2M2 we changed the content of Main.WebHome page to
> > provide simple wiki text instead of the Dashboard include, > > somehow the purpose of the Welcome
page.
> >
> > Problem: In the 'Navigation' panel the "Welcome to your wiki"
is
> displayed
> > as a child page of "Home". Users might ask what is the purpose of
this
page.
>
> We could either:
> 1. Keep it
> 1.A and mark it as hidden: in order to not be displayed in the
Navigation
> > tree
> > 1.B and move it to Dashboard: instead of being in the Main space, > now
> > it's used only there.
> > 1.C and change the text: from a generic 'Welcome' message, to
> instructions
> > on how to edit the Dashboard (we would need a separate proposal on
the
>
content + if we want to display other gadgets)
>
> 2. Remove it
> We could consider that its content is deprecated by the new
Main.WebHome
> > page, so no need for this page. So we could delete the page + remove > from
Dashboard. Dashboard could highlight more advanced gadgets
(needing
the
separate Dashboard proposal).
Let me know what you think,
+1 for 2. It’s not needed anymore since it’s been replaced by the new
content).
Now, I haven’t checked, but if we still generate subwiki’s home pages
with
> the Dashboard, I believe we may also want to review this (for some of same
reasons we modified the main wiki’s home page, such as easiness of
editing it) and replace it with a new subwiki home page.
When we create subwikis, they have the same content as the main wiki (the
new homepage and panels).
Current Status:
1. Keep it: +1 (Edy), +0.5 (Marius), +0.5 (GD)
1.A and mark it as hidden:
1.B and move it to Dashboard: (Edy), (Marius), (GD)
1.C and change the text: (Marius), (GD)
2. Remove it: +0.5 (Marius), +1 (Vincent)
Some questions:
a. Do we have a procedure for deleting pages from l10n? a way to retire
them? (some property in l10n + removal from the release script = [2])
b. Do we have a procedure when the translations of a page change path?
(like moving from Main space to Dashboard space = [1.B])
c. Do we have a procedure for deprecating the whole content of a page?
(let's say we don't do the move, we keep it in Main, how do we mark that
the whole content is changed in English, but needs to be updated in the
other languages? = [1.C])
Thanks,
Caty
For me we should definitely not have some welcome message in the
Dashboard
app anymore. It’s not its purpose.
Thanks
-Vincent
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I've removed the Main.Welcome page in
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-13534
Thanks for your votes,
Caty
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm fine with either, 1.A.B.C or 2.
I would make it hidden since the rest of gadgets on Dashboard are hidden
(Activity, Pages, etc.) and I don't like that the tree displays the Welcome
page.
The main problem with the move to Dashboard is that we would need to
change the path in l10n + deprecate somehow the translated content + find a
suitable text to describe the interaction with the Dashboard. In this case
the name Welcome would not be that appropriate since it will be mostly Help
text, rather than Welcome. Also instructions on how to interact with the
Dashboard could be provided by a Tour.
So since we have some technical problems + change of purpose of the page =
I think I am in favor of removing it. The only problem is that the
Dashboard will look a bit empty, so we will need a proposal for it too.
So +1 for 2.
Current Status:
1. Keep it: +1 (Edy), +0.5 (Marius), +0.5 (GD) = 2
1.A and mark it as hidden:
1.B and move it to Dashboard: (Edy), (Marius), (GD)
1.C and change the text: (Marius), (GD)
2. Remove it: +0.5 (Marius), +0.5 (GD), +1 (Vincent), +1 (Anca), +1 (Caty)
= 4
Thanks,
Caty
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1 for 2.
I don't think we need a welcome message in the dashboard anymore.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
to
since
remove it
useful
the
(the
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> > On 21 Jun 2016, at 14:58, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This thread is about deciding on a future for the Main.Welcome page.
This
> > page was used as the first gadget's content and was intended to be
> modified
> > by the users. In 8.2M2 we changed the content of Main.WebHome page > > provide simple wiki text instead of the
Dashboard include,
deprecating
> > somehow the purpose of the Welcome
page.
> >
> > Problem: In the 'Navigation' panel the "Welcome to your wiki"
is
> displayed
> > as a child page of "Home". Users might ask what is the purpose of
this
page.
>
> We could either:
> 1. Keep it
> 1.A and mark it as hidden: in order to not be displayed in the
Navigation
> > tree
> > 1.B and move it to Dashboard: instead of being in the Main space, > now
> > it's used only there.
> > 1.C and change the text: from a generic 'Welcome' message, to
> instructions
> > on how to edit the Dashboard (we would need a separate proposal on
the
>
content + if we want to display other gadgets)
>
> 2. Remove it
> We could consider that its content is deprecated by the new
Main.WebHome
> > page, so no need for this page. So we could delete the page + > from
Dashboard. Dashboard could highlight more advanced gadgets
(needing
> the separate Dashboard proposal).
>
> Let me know what you think,
+1 for 2. It’s not needed anymore since it’s been replaced by the new
home
> page. It’s better to make the Dashboard useful right away (ie with
content).
Now, I haven’t checked, but if we still generate subwiki’s home pages
with
> the Dashboard, I believe we may also want to review this (for some of > same reasons we modified the main wiki’s
home page, such as easiness
of
editing
it) and replace it with a new subwiki home page.
When we create subwikis, they have the same content as the main wiki new homepage and panels).
Current Status:
1. Keep it: +1 (Edy), +0.5 (Marius), +0.5 (GD)
1.A and mark it as hidden:
1.B and move it to Dashboard: (Edy), (Marius), (GD)
1.C and change the text: (Marius), (GD)
2. Remove it: +0.5 (Marius), +1 (Vincent)
Some questions:
a. Do we have a procedure for deleting pages from l10n? a way to retire
them? (some property in l10n + removal from the release script = [2])
b. Do we have a procedure when the translations of a page change path?
(like moving from Main space to Dashboard space = [1.B])
c. Do we have a procedure for deprecating the whole content of a page?
(let's say we don't do the move, we keep it in Main, how do we mark that
the whole content is changed in English, but needs to be updated in the
other languages? = [1.C])
Thanks,
Caty
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For me we should definitely not have some welcome message in the
Dashboard
app anymore. It’s not its purpose.
Thanks
-Vincent
> Caty
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