Re: [xwiki-devs] [xwiki-users] [UX] Administration Improvements - xwiki-devs@xwiki.org

23 Feb 2017

Hi Denis,
Thanks for your feedback.
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Denis GERMAIN &lt;dt.germain(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
...
  We are running multiple flavors of Xwiki including
7.4.4 (production),
 8.4.4 and 9.0
 1. what sections are always needed and maybe we could prioritize them;
 Users and Groups are the most heavily used menu in administration for us
 We also rely heavily on Import/Exports
 2. what sections could be grouped together, since they are related;
 3. what sections are not relevant and could be removed (maybe because they
 are too technical, or not needed or rarely used);
 Creating subwikis is sometime used so it shouldn't be dropped (for us)
 Templates are not often used but really important to us
 4. if there are important recurring things missing from administration;
 There is no easy way to troubleshoot users rights on a page. In other
 words, sometime users set rights on "pages and children" OR "pages",
and it
 causes all sort of trouble
 - some users can't see some pages but they should (due to misconfiugration
 of the rights)
 - some users can open pages with the direct link but can't navigate to it
 a) I don't see why there is 2 types of rights on a page, I would personnaly
 keep only "pages and children" rights and drop "page only" rights

This is when you need to make exceptions: you want all the children to
behave in a certain way, but the parent or a certain subpage to have
different rights. I agree it's a more marginal use case, but still it could
happen.
...
  b) To troubleshoot, I'd like to have a way to see
why some users can see
 the page and some don't, or to help me find where the problem is

I agree the rights inheritance is problematic and yes we should improve it
(in terms of setting it and display the applied rules). This functionality
gets outside of the scope of this Administration
reorganization/simplification, but it's indeed very important (and
apparently a common problem).
...

 5. other ideas?
 I find the Template creation (with provider) procedure counter intuitive.
 Maybe it could be simplified ?

We added some new functionality in terms of visibility and creation
restrictions for templates, but they were intended more as powerful
features, we didn't focus on simplifying the process. Yes, we could do some
improvements there too, especially since we have started promoting
Templates more.
Thank you so much,
Caty
...
  2017-02-23 11:28 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
&lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt;om>:
  Thanks Stéphane for your answer. It's very
helpful.
 Caty
 On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Stéphane LASSIRE <  slassire(a)cesap.asso.fr

wrote:
 > Hello,
   > What a nice idea.
 > We are using a Xwiki 7.4.4 release.
   > 1. what sections are always needed
and maybe we could prioritize them;
 > -> Users / groups / right access / extensions / statistics
   > 2. what sections could be grouped
together, since they are related;
 > -> Configuration / Look / Email
   > 3. what sections are not relevant and
could be removed (maybe because
 they
  are too technical, or not needed or rarely used);
 -> wikis (we are using only 1 instance, so no need of multi configs for  us)
   > 4. if there are important recurring
things missing from administration;
 > -> rights "inspector", not really to know the right of a page inside a
 > space
 > for all users and groups
 > -> activity of a group / user. I try to put a counter inside pages to  see
  > if
 > it is accessed but it a basic solution. I would like to see how much  some
   pages are
viewed. The statistics are limited on this part
 5. other ideas?
 -> see 4
 Thanks
 Cordialement
 Stéphane Lassire
 Chargé de l'informatique et de la communication
 Courriel : slassire(a)cesap.asso.fr
 -----Message d'origine-----
 De : users [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] De la part de Ecaterina  Moraru
 > (Valica)
 > Envoyé : mardi 21 février 2017 16:15
 > À : XWiki Mailinglist; XWiki Mailinglist
 > Objet : [xwiki-users] [UX] Administration Improvements
 >
 > Hi,
 >
 > We are thinking about improving the Administration, so would be great  to
  > hear your opinion about:
 > 1. what sections are always needed and maybe we could prioritize them;  2.
  > what sections could be grouped together,
since they are related; 3.  what
   sections
are not relevant and could be removed (maybe because they are  too
  technical, or not needed or rarely used); 4. if
there are important
 recurring things missing from administration; 5. other ideas?
 We are particularly interested in 1. and that is sections that are used
 often and would love to know which are those (since they differ so much
 depending on usage).
 Let us know,
 Caty