26 Jun
2008
26 Jun
'08
6:43 p.m.
Hi,
I think I've finished enough in the new rendering implementation so
that we should now start defining formally the new XWiki 2.0 syntax.
However before we do that let me highlight one important limitation
due to the underlying frameworks we use (wikimodel in this case):
Wikimodel is using a JavaCC grammar and thus is not able to do look
ahead and backtracking (ANTLR can do it, but even if JavaCC could do
it it would still be too expensive to use). This means that wikimodel
is not able to support the following example:
This is a * that is not a bold.
When wikimodel sees one of XWiki's special char (like the star for
bold) it'll put everything that comes after as bold, till it find
another star or till the end of the document.
There are 2 solutions out of this:
* We don't allow users to enter non-escaped star for example.
* Or better we change our syntax for bold so that it uses a 2 chars.
For example **. It's less likely people will use 2 stars in their
content and this is the reason most wikis use 2 chars. This is also
consistent with our other syntaxes for underline, strikethrough,
italics, etc. Note that this is also inline with the creole syntax:
http://www.wikicreole.org/
The same problem exists for links. We're currently using single
brackets which means people cannot use brackets in their text. I'd
also propose to use double brackets for links as in: [[This is a
link]]. Again this is consistent with the rest.
There are several other topics to address but let's start with Bold
and Link syntaxes right now. Once we agree on them, I'll do the
following:
* Create a XWiki 2.0 syntax page on xwiki.org and put Bold and Linkj
syntax there
* Send change requests to wikimodel for the changes we decide
* Adapt the new rendering module code
* Send other emails for remaining syntax elements
To summarize the vote here is about:
* Using ** for bold in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
* Using [[ for links in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
Here's my +1 to both.
Thanks
-Vincent
26 Jun
26 Jun
7:23 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] XWiki 2.0 formal syntax definition - Bold & Link
+1 to both
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi,
I think I've finished enough in the new rendering implementation so
that we should now start defining formally the new XWiki 2.0 syntax.
However before we do that let me highlight one important limitation
due to the underlying frameworks we use (wikimodel in this case):
Wikimodel is using a JavaCC grammar and thus is not able to do look
ahead and backtracking (ANTLR can do it, but even if JavaCC could do
it it would still be too expensive to use). This means that wikimodel
is not able to support the following example:
This is a * that is not a bold.
When wikimodel sees one of XWiki's special char (like the star for
bold) it'll put everything that comes after as bold, till it find
another star or till the end of the document.
There are 2 solutions out of this:
* We don't allow users to enter non-escaped star for example.
* Or better we change our syntax for bold so that it uses a 2 chars.
For example **. It's less likely people will use 2 stars in their
content and this is the reason most wikis use 2 chars. This is also
consistent with our other syntaxes for underline, strikethrough,
italics, etc. Note that this is also inline with the creole syntax:
http://www.wikicreole.org/
The same problem exists for links. We're currently using single
brackets which means people cannot use brackets in their text. I'd
also propose to use double brackets for links as in: [[This is a
link]]. Again this is consistent with the rest.
There are several other topics to address but let's start with Bold
and Link syntaxes right now. Once we agree on them, I'll do the
following:
* Create a XWiki 2.0 syntax page on xwiki.org and put Bold and Linkj
syntax there
* Send change requests to wikimodel for the changes we decide
* Adapt the new rendering module code
* Send other emails for remaining syntax elements
To summarize the vote here is about:
* Using ** for bold in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
* Using [[ for links in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
Here's my +1 to both.
Thanks
-Vincent
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7:33 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] XWiki 2.0 formal syntax definition - Bold & Link
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
To summarize the vote here is about:
* Using ** for bold in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
* Using [[ for links in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
+1 for both.
Good to see the xwiki syntax getting closer to the majority of the
wiki syntaxes.
JV (who've used doku and wakka a lot).
11:22 p.m.
Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
I think I've finished enough in the new rendering implementation so
that we should now start defining formally the new XWiki 2.0 syntax.
However before we do that let me highlight one important limitation
due to the underlying frameworks we use (wikimodel in this case):
Wikimodel is using a JavaCC grammar and thus is not able to do look
ahead and backtracking (ANTLR can do it, but even if JavaCC could do
it it would still be too expensive to use). This means that wikimodel
is not able to support the following example:
This is a * that is not a bold.
When wikimodel sees one of XWiki's special char (like the star for
bold) it'll put everything that comes after as bold, till it find
another star or till the end of the document.
Even if there's no backtracking, there's lookahead. See
https://javacc.dev.java.net/doc/lookahead.html
There are 2 solutions out of this:
* We don't allow users to enter non-escaped star for example.
* Or better we change our syntax for bold so that it uses a 2 chars.
For example **. It's less likely people will use 2 stars in their
content and this is the reason most wikis use 2 chars. This is also
consistent with our other syntaxes for underline, strikethrough,
italics, etc. Note that this is also inline with the creole syntax:
http://www.wikicreole.org/
The same problem exists for links. We're currently using single
brackets which means people cannot use brackets in their text. I'd
also propose to use double brackets for links as in: [[This is a
link]]. Again this is consistent with the rest.
There are several other topics to address but let's start with Bold
and Link syntaxes right now. Once we agree on them, I'll do the
following:
* Create a XWiki 2.0 syntax page on xwiki.org and put Bold and Linkj
syntax there
* Send change requests to wikimodel for the changes we decide
* Adapt the new rendering module code
* Send other emails for remaining syntax elements
To summarize the vote here is about:
* Using ** for bold in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
* Using [[ for links in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
+1 for these, not because there's a technical need, but to be consistent with other
wiki syntaxes.
Hopefully we'll have a nice editor so that existing users will not have to notice the
new syntax,
but use a visual tool.
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Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
27 Jun
27 Jun
2:37 p.m.
Hi,
I think I've finished enough in the new rendering implementation so
that we should now start defining formally the new XWiki 2.0 syntax.
However before we do that let me highlight one important limitation
due to the underlying frameworks we use (wikimodel in this case):
Wikimodel is using a JavaCC grammar and thus is not able to do look
ahead and backtracking (ANTLR can do it, but even if JavaCC could do
it it would still be too expensive to use). This means that wikimodel
is not able to support the following example:
This is a * that is not a bold.
When wikimodel sees one of XWiki's special char (like the star for
bold) it'll put everything that comes after as bold, till it find
another star or till the end of the document.
There are 2 solutions out of this:
* We don't allow users to enter non-escaped star for example.
* Or better we change our syntax for bold so that it uses a 2 chars.
For example **. It's less likely people will use 2 stars in their
content and this is the reason most wikis use 2 chars. This is also
consistent with our other syntaxes for underline, strikethrough,
italics, etc. Note that this is also inline with the creole syntax:
http://www.wikicreole.org/
The same problem exists for links. We're currently using single
brackets which means people cannot use brackets in their text. I'd
also propose to use double brackets for links as in: [[This is a
link]]. Again this is consistent with the rest.
There are several other topics to address but let's start with Bold
and Link syntaxes right now. Once we agree on them, I'll do the
following:
* Create a XWiki 2.0 syntax page on xwiki.org and put Bold and Linkj
syntax there
* Send change requests to wikimodel for the changes we decide
* Adapt the new rendering module code
* Send other emails for remaining syntax elements
To summarize the vote here is about:
* Using ** for bold in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
* Using [[ for links in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
Here's my +1 to both.
+1 to both
Thanks
-Vincent
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8:08 p.m.
+1
Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
I think I've finished enough in the new rendering implementation so
that we should now start defining formally the new XWiki 2.0 syntax.
However before we do that let me highlight one important limitation
due to the underlying frameworks we use (wikimodel in this case):
Wikimodel is using a JavaCC grammar and thus is not able to do look
ahead and backtracking (ANTLR can do it, but even if JavaCC could do
it it would still be too expensive to use). This means that wikimodel
is not able to support the following example:
This is a * that is not a bold.
When wikimodel sees one of XWiki's special char (like the star for
bold) it'll put everything that comes after as bold, till it find
another star or till the end of the document.
There are 2 solutions out of this:
* We don't allow users to enter non-escaped star for example.
* Or better we change our syntax for bold so that it uses a 2 chars.
For example **. It's less likely people will use 2 stars in their
content and this is the reason most wikis use 2 chars. This is also
consistent with our other syntaxes for underline, strikethrough,
italics, etc. Note that this is also inline with the creole syntax:
http://www.wikicreole.org/
The same problem exists for links. We're currently using single
brackets which means people cannot use brackets in their text. I'd
also propose to use double brackets for links as in: [[This is a
link]]. Again this is consistent with the rest.
There are several other topics to address but let's start with Bold
and Link syntaxes right now. Once we agree on them, I'll do the
following:
* Create a XWiki 2.0 syntax page on xwiki.org and put Bold and Linkj
syntax there
* Send change requests to wikimodel for the changes we decide
* Adapt the new rendering module code
* Send other emails for remaining syntax elements
To summarize the vote here is about:
* Using ** for bold in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
* Using [[ for links in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
Here's my +1 to both.
Thanks
-Vincent
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XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
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4 Jul
4 Jul
4:08 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] XWiki 2.0 formal syntax definition - Bold & Link (SUMMARY)
Results: 7 +1, no 0, no -1, the vote is passed.
I'm creating the new XWiki Syntax 2.0 page right now.
FYI I've opened these 2 features request for wikimodel about this:
http://code.google.com/p/wikimodel/issues/detail?id=25
http://code.google.com/p/wikimodel/issues/detail?id=26
Thanks
-Vincent
On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
I think I've finished enough in the new rendering implementation so
that we should now start defining formally the new XWiki 2.0 syntax.
However before we do that let me highlight one important limitation
due to the underlying frameworks we use (wikimodel in this case):
Wikimodel is using a JavaCC grammar and thus is not able to do look
ahead and backtracking (ANTLR can do it, but even if JavaCC could do
it it would still be too expensive to use). This means that wikimodel
is not able to support the following example:
This is a * that is not a bold.
When wikimodel sees one of XWiki's special char (like the star for
bold) it'll put everything that comes after as bold, till it find
another star or till the end of the document.
There are 2 solutions out of this:
* We don't allow users to enter non-escaped star for example.
* Or better we change our syntax for bold so that it uses a 2 chars.
For example **. It's less likely people will use 2 stars in their
content and this is the reason most wikis use 2 chars. This is also
consistent with our other syntaxes for underline, strikethrough,
italics, etc. Note that this is also inline with the creole syntax:
http://www.wikicreole.org/
The same problem exists for links. We're currently using single
brackets which means people cannot use brackets in their text. I'd
also propose to use double brackets for links as in: [[This is a
link]]. Again this is consistent with the rest.
There are several other topics to address but let's start with Bold
and Link syntaxes right now. Once we agree on them, I'll do the
following:
* Create a XWiki 2.0 syntax page on xwiki.org and put Bold and Linkj
syntax there
* Send change requests to wikimodel for the changes we decide
* Adapt the new rendering module code
* Send other emails for remaining syntax elements
To summarize the vote here is about:
* Using ** for bold in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
* Using [[ for links in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
Here's my +1 to both.
Thanks
-Vincent
4:19 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] XWiki 2.0 formal syntax definition - Bold & Link (SUMMARY)
Note: The new XWiki Syntax 2.0 document is started here:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/preview/Drafts/XWikiSyntax20
It's a work in progress and I'm not asking for votes yet. Please read
it and let me know if there's anything amiss.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Jul 4, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Results: 7 +1, no 0, no -1, the vote is passed.
I'm creating the new XWiki Syntax 2.0 page right now.
FYI I've opened these 2 features request for wikimodel about this:
http://code.google.com/p/wikimodel/issues/detail?id=25
http://code.google.com/p/wikimodel/issues/detail?id=26
Thanks
-Vincent
On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think I've finished enough in the new rendering implementation so
> that we should now start defining formally the new XWiki 2.0 syntax.
>
> However before we do that let me highlight one important limitation
> due to the underlying frameworks we use (wikimodel in this case):
> Wikimodel is using a JavaCC grammar and thus is not able to do look
> ahead and backtracking (ANTLR can do it, but even if JavaCC could do
> it it would still be too expensive to use). This means that wikimodel
> is not able to support the following example:
>
> This is a * that is not a bold.
>
> When wikimodel sees one of XWiki's special char (like the star for
> bold) it'll put everything that comes after as bold, till it find
> another star or till the end of the document.
>
> There are 2 solutions out of this:
> * We don't allow users to enter non-escaped star for example.
> * Or better we change our syntax for bold so that it uses a 2 chars.
> For example **. It's less likely people will use 2 stars in their
> content and this is the reason most wikis use 2 chars. This is also
> consistent with our other syntaxes for underline, strikethrough,
> italics, etc. Note that this is also inline with the creole syntax:
http://www.wikicreole.org/
>
> The same problem exists for links. We're currently using single
> brackets which means people cannot use brackets in their text. I'd
> also propose to use double brackets for links as in: [[This is a
> link]]. Again this is consistent with the rest.
>
> There are several other topics to address but let's start with Bold
> and Link syntaxes right now. Once we agree on them, I'll do the
> following:
> * Create a XWiki 2.0 syntax page on xwiki.org and put Bold and Linkj
> syntax there
> * Send change requests to wikimodel for the changes we decide
> * Adapt the new rendering module code
> * Send other emails for remaining syntax elements
>
> To summarize the vote here is about:
>
> * Using ** for bold in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
> * Using [[ for links in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
>
> Here's my +1 to both.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
27 Jul
27 Jul
7:18 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] XWiki 2.0 formal syntax definition - Bold & Link (SUMMARY)
On Jul 4, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Results: 7 +1, no 0, no -1, the vote is passed.
Now done in wikimodel and in xwiki.
Thanks
-Vincent
I'm creating the new XWiki Syntax 2.0 page right
now.
FYI I've opened these 2 features request for wikimodel about this:
http://code.google.com/p/wikimodel/issues/detail?id=25
http://code.google.com/p/wikimodel/issues/detail?id=26
Thanks
-Vincent
On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think I've finished enough in the new rendering implementation so
> that we should now start defining formally the new XWiki 2.0 syntax.
>
> However before we do that let me highlight one important limitation
> due to the underlying frameworks we use (wikimodel in this case):
> Wikimodel is using a JavaCC grammar and thus is not able to do look
> ahead and backtracking (ANTLR can do it, but even if JavaCC could do
> it it would still be too expensive to use). This means that wikimodel
> is not able to support the following example:
>
> This is a * that is not a bold.
>
> When wikimodel sees one of XWiki's special char (like the star for
> bold) it'll put everything that comes after as bold, till it find
> another star or till the end of the document.
>
> There are 2 solutions out of this:
> * We don't allow users to enter non-escaped star for example.
> * Or better we change our syntax for bold so that it uses a 2 chars.
> For example **. It's less likely people will use 2 stars in their
> content and this is the reason most wikis use 2 chars. This is also
> consistent with our other syntaxes for underline, strikethrough,
> italics, etc. Note that this is also inline with the creole syntax:
http://www.wikicreole.org/
>
> The same problem exists for links. We're currently using single
> brackets which means people cannot use brackets in their text. I'd
> also propose to use double brackets for links as in: [[This is a
> link]]. Again this is consistent with the rest.
>
> There are several other topics to address but let's start with Bold
> and Link syntaxes right now. Once we agree on them, I'll do the
> following:
> * Create a XWiki 2.0 syntax page on xwiki.org and put Bold and Linkj
> syntax there
> * Send change requests to wikimodel for the changes we decide
> * Adapt the new rendering module code
> * Send other emails for remaining syntax elements
>
> To summarize the vote here is about:
>
> * Using ** for bold in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
> * Using [[ for links in the new XWiki 2.0 syntax
>
> Here's my +1 to both.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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