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[xwiki-devs] [Proposal] WYSIWYG - Get out of inline style when hitting Return
by Guillaume Lerouge 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

*Hi Devs,* *I'm coming back from a meeting with a corporate XWiki user.* *The project manager there reported a "bug" to me: when hitting Return while at the end of the link, she was still in the link. The item she created after hitting return was a title and due to style settings she couldn't see it was still a link. Then she hit Return again and after her title the text was still a link. She felt confused and didn't understand why the link was still there.* *This is due to the fact that right now, when the caret is at the end of an element with an inline style applied, it keeps applying that style upon hitting Return. This applies to bold, italics, underlined, strikethrough, color, background color and links (all inline elements). I've talked about this with Anca a number of times, saying that it was wrong for links to be kept when hitting enter (since users very rarely want links that span 2 paragraphs). Her answer was that all inline styles should be treated the same for technical reasons.* *After giving it more thought and gathering feedback from our project managers it appears that the use case of willing the current inline style to be kept after hitting Return is actually less frequent than wanting the new line to be "clean". Moreover, it's extremely confusing for users when the link is kept.* *Thus I'd like to suggest that hitting Return (= generating a new paragraph) should get the caret out of the current inline style in the WYSIWYG editor. Here are a couple more reasons why I believe this to be the best option:* - There are shortcuts available in the WYSIWYG for most inline styles (CTRL-B, CTRL-I) thus it's easy for the user to activate it again on a new line - It's very easy to select a wide area of text with the mouse and then apply an inline style to it, thus styling can conveniently be done after the actual writing - Hitting SHIFT-Return will keep the user in the same paragraph and thus will keep the current inline styles - It's very rare that users want to apply an inline style to several paragraphs in a row since bold, italics are most often used to create contrast with surrounding text To summarize, I think hitting Return should generate "virgin" new lines. The only thing that should be kept is the alignment. WDYT? Guillaume -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/

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[xwiki-devs] Our strategy for Design docs already implemented
by Vincent Massol 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Hi, As you know I like clean stuff (some could call it an obsession ;)). While browsing the Design/Idea spaces on dev.xwiki.org I noticed several pages containing stuff already implemented. I'd like to propose the following strategy: * Once a design has been implemented, document it (for example in the Modules space on code.xwiki.org) * When both the new design has been implemented and documented, delete the wiki page in the Design space. WDYT? For example I'd like to remove this page: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/XWikiSyntaxMapping I'd also like to document the xwiki-component module in Modules and then remove this page: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ArchitectureV2 Thanks -Vincent

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[xwiki-devs] Testing new public xwiki open source community chat on jabber
by Vincent Massol 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Hi everyone, Till now we were using IRC (and we still are) but there are a few issues with it and the biggest one is that you don't get to see messages sent to you when you're offline. Thus we're trying a new solution using Jabber/XMPP. If it works well we'll then switch from IRC to it. If you want to participate in the test and join us you can log in on xwiki(a)conference.jabber.org name: xwiki server: conference.jabber.org Note that you can log with your gmail id if you don't have a jabber id. See you there. Thanks -Vincent

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Re: [xwiki-devs] [xwiki-users] Hello to the XWiki community
by Vincent Massol 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Hi Silvia, Good to have you on board. Just for the record, Silvia is an employee of XWiki Lasi (romanian branch of XWiki SAS, see http://xwiki.com and http://massol.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/XWikiSASAndOpenSource for those who want to know the relationship between XWiki SAS and the XWiki open source project). From the open source point of view, Silvia is not a committer, she's just a contributor like anyone can be. Silvia this means that for anything important you'd like to change, you'll need to propose it here on this mailing list for agreement. Obviously there's no need to propose anything for creating JIRA issues about bugs found... ;) However if you want to reorganize xwiki.org for example and make some substantial changes you'll need to make a proposal here first and get some agreement first since this is how the XWiki open source project works. Guys let's not completely rely on Silvia though! It's everyone's job to help by improving the doc on xwiki.org and by discovering/fixing bugs. Silvia is a bonus. Thanks and again, welcome on board! -Vincent On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Silvia Rusu wrote: > Hi, > > I am Silvia Rusu (http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/ > SilviaRusu) > and I have joined the XWiki Iasi team this week as a tester and > documentation writer. > > As a tester my role will be to uncover any issues and inconsistencies > that might affect the products you love developing/using. > I will also be talking to our project managers, product manager and > mailing list users in order to find out more about our customers > expectations and needs. Taking this into consideration I will come up > with suggestions on how to improve user experience. > > As a documentation writer I will make sure users who aren't familiar > with XWiki discover what the products do in order to take advantage of > their features. In the process I will be making sure all user-facing > features are well documented on XWIki.org, writing user guides, > creating > videos explaining how to use features, etc. > > I am happy to be joining XWiki and hope this will develop into a very > successful collaboration. > > You can find me online on Twitter at http://twitter.com/silviarusu. > Should you have any suggestions regarding testing and documentation > please feel free to contact me by email at silvia.rusu(a)xwiki.com. > > Thanks, > Silvia

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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] XWiki 2.0 Skin
by Thibaut DEVERAUX 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Sorry here is a link version : http://www.design-platform.org/sourcefiles/XWiki%20users%20com%20board%20co… 2009/8/20 Thibaut DEVERAUX <thibaut.deveraux(a)gmail.com>: > Ok, it just take a little more time to reproduce (completly or just a > part to get the feeling) any image to svg/ai yet it is not the best to > collaborate. > > Can have a look at the design platform story on Flickr : > http://www.flickr.com/photos/evalica/3761778569/ > > > > 2009/8/19 Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>: >> Sorry, we currently don't have a especially place for SVG files. :) >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 18:37, Thibaut DEVERAUX >> <thibaut.deveraux(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Where can I find the svg files in the futur ? >>> >>> 2009/8/19 Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>: >>> > Usually I use Inkscape, but for the skin mockups it's not a mockup, but >>> the >>> > actually site modified with CSS. I worked on a local XE instance on my >>> > computer. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 14:04, Thibaut DEVERAUX >>> > <thibaut.deveraux(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> Nice ! >>> >> I can't wait to see it. ;-) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Also I'd love to make propositions of architecture modifications to >>> >> visauy >>> >> >> show my means. Yet I have not many time. Is there a place where >>> source >>> >> >> files >>> >> >> can be downloaded to speed the process ? >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > The new skin will be available in it's first version with the RC1 on >>> 24 >>> >> > august. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I was speaking of the design source files, not code. :-) >>> >> >>> >> Photoshop, Gimp, Illustrator, Inkscape or whatever you use. >>> >> >>> >> -- Yet I will wait to see your skin and think I will not make mockup >>> >> then. Yet in general cases we found having design files open source >>> >> too can help as we experienced in the design platform project. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> devs mailing list >>> >> devs(a)xwiki.org >>> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > devs mailing list >>> > devs(a)xwiki.org >>> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> devs(a)xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> devs(a)xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >

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Re: [xwiki-devs] trying to make warning macro work in 2.0
by Henk Schouten 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

Hello, In April there was a discussion on the list with this subject. This discussion ends without a solution. Does anyone know if this problem has been solved. It seems I am having the same problem here when running 1.9.3 on a Oracle OC4J container. Thanks, Henk == Henk F. Schouten, ICT-architect, Dienst ICT room: SL 2.32, phone (31) 70 4457611, email: H.F.Schouten(a)hhs.nl De Haagse Hogeschool, Johanna Westerdijkplein 75, 2521 EN the Hague (NL)

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[xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Refactoring of DevGuide
by Vincent Massol 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

Hi, I've started a refactoring of DevGuide today: * Removed the Tutorial page and put everything on DevGuide.WebHome. It was too hard to decide what was a tutorial from what wasn't. * Reordered stuff on DevGuide.WebHome. Notably I've put XWiki Architecture on top and I've started to improve it, see http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/Architecture * All Reference docs should go in a Module on code:Modules.WebHome * Module doc should contain: - general architecture - features of the module - quick examples where it makes sense - link to tutorials that should be written in the DevGuide WDYT? What am I missing? Thanks -Vincent

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[xwiki-devs] [XOO] Rendering module - XHTML - HTML compatibility
by Cristina Scheau 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

Hi devs! I've just noticed that OpenOffice Web/Writer doesn't work properly for "<br/>" element. (With "<br />" works fine). The answer can be the compatibility problems between XHTML1.0 and HTML. http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/guidelines.html - Appendix - C2 My question is should I change the rendering module or I solve this problem locally , at my client? Best regards, Cristina

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[xwiki-devs] Update parent on document rename.
by Caleb James DeLisle 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

Hello all, I noticed that when a document is renamed, it's "child" documents don't have their parent values updated. It looks like just a few lines of code, maybe an hql ALTER XWikiDocument doc WHERE doc.parent = '"+oldName+"' SET doc.parent = '"+newName+"' Is this too messy? I think a loop with doc.doc.setParent(newName) and doc.save() would be too resource intensive with databases which fsync every transaction. Should we bother to even ask the user the way it asks to update links? Should we update #includeForm, #includeInContext, and #includeTopic as well? What are your thoughts? ~Caleb James DeLisle I'm new here, let me know if I posted in the wrong section

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[xwiki-devs] [Proposal] XWiki 2.0 Skin
by Guillaume Lerouge 17 Aug '09

17 Aug '09

Forwarded to get past the list. Begin forwarded message: > From: Guillaume Lerouge <me(a)guillaumelerouge.com> > Date: 16 août 2009 13:22:49 HAEC > To: XWiki Developers <devs(a)xwiki.org> > Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] XWiki 2.0 Skin > > Hi Thibaut, > > Thanks a lot for your feedback! > > About the tabbed mockups: thanks for the personas, they're useful > and we should use the concept more when working on our designs. > > Jean-Vincent had concerns similar to yours about tabs and we > explored another option that made more use of buttons located close > to the content area last Friday. We will definitely keep exploring > options for a new skin / UX in the coming months and we'll be > looking for your feedback during that time. > > On 16 août 2009, at 12:48, ThibautDeveraux <thibaut.deveraux(a)gmail.c > om> wrote: > >> >> Sorry 3 mail... >> >> I missed the last post. about this skin : >> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Skin20/proposa… >> >> Well, it is obviously the same architecture as currently. I >> understand that >> there is not much time. > > We've got only 2 weeks to change XWiki's look before 2.0 and we > won't realistically be able to do much more than freshen it up a bit > and make the logo easier to change. > > >> >> I hope it is not definitve. I'd really prefer a skin with page >> related >> actions located near page. >> > We'll keep working on it during our next releases I promise :-) > > >> >> Also I'd love to make propositions of architecture modifications to >> visauy >> show my means. Yet I have not many time. Is there a place where >> source files >> can be downloaded to speed the process ? >> > I'll let Caty / JV answer about this. > > Thanks for your help, > > Guillaume > > >> Have a nice day >> >> Thibaut >> -- >> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Proposal--XWiki-2.0-Skin-tp3405623p3453159.html >> Sent from the XWiki- Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> devs(a)xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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