31 May
2010
31 May
'10
6:42 p.m.
In this case this person will need to write more than just "I wanna be
there", otherwise he will be rejected like any other random spammer. He
will need to describe the situation and show others that he is
trustworthy person who is able to help.
Imagine there would be a discussion on the security mailing list at the
same time, and we would be discussing a critical vulnerability that
immediately gives the attacker root on the server. Are you Ok with
giving the exploit to this person?
This is more question about trust, being a user or paying customer
doesn't help here much.
Alex
On 05/31/2010 06:20 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
On May 31, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
Vincent Massol wrote:
It's much better to have a list of examples of what constitutes a valid request than
not having it. This is useful not only for committers to vote but also for the person who
ask so that he knows how to qualify.
Otherwise voting is about thin air... and you're going to hurt people Caleb (+
generate unnecessary requests, votes and rejections).
Take this example:
I'm someone who has installed XE at my company. I want to be sure I know about
security issues and I'm even ok to take part in the discussion about these issues. I
sent a mail to the dev list asking to be on that list. Note that I have not sent any prior
email to the list but I have participated (for ex) to other open source projects.
How ar you going to reject me or accept me? And if you reject me you need to give me a
reason. What reason will it be?
As you can see you'll have to list the reasons anyway and it's much better to do
it upfront (even if the list is not complete) than not.
Also if you reject me I'll be offended. I'm not a script kid. I'm someone
honest and serious. How dare you reject me! This is not a real open source project! ;)
Thanks
-Vincent
On May 31, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Alex Busenius
wrote:
These seem like nice guidelines but must we disallow people who we all know
will help the discussion because they don't meet the requirements?
IMO we can't define what makes someone unsuitable for the list but will know
them when we see them. Hello,
The new mailing list security(a)xwiki.org was created. All core commiters
will be on this list.
This is *not* an announcement list, it is meant for technical
discussions about security issues. However, everyone can write to this
mailing list, e.g. to report security issues (mails will be reviewed by
the administrator first).
If somebody else is interested in contributing to discussions on that
list, he or she should write a mail on the dev-list asking for access.
If the commiters agree (meaning that nobody is -1 on it, similar to a
proposal) this person will get access.
We also need to define who can get access. IMO:
- persons who have submitted security issues in jira
- persons who've submitted security patches
- persons who have been contributing to xwiki for a long time Also it seems that rules stop people from doing
the right thing while
people with bad intentions are usually more motivated and will thus find a way
around the rule.
My +1 is for a case by case basis.
Caleb
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On 05/26/2010 01:02 PM, Alex Busenius wrote:
> Hello devs,
>
>
> I propose to introduce a security mailing list (security(a)xwiki.org) to
> discuss details of security issues.
>
> This list should be private, with only committers and trusted
> contributors having read and write access. Anyone who proved his good
> intentions on the dev-list and bug tracker should be able to get access
> to security-list through the usual vote procedure.
>
> The purpose of this list is to give a safe place to discuss details open
> security issues without giving all script kiddies in the world examples
> to write exploits. The discussions should be kept on this private list
> until the corresponding fix is released.
>
> WDYT?
>
>
> Alex
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