Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Simplified Home Page

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:13 AM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net wrote: > > > > > On 17 Sep 2014 at 08:57:35, Denis Gervalle (dgl(a)softec.lu(mailto: > dgl(a)softec.lu)) wrote: > > > Well, there is also another way to tackle that problem, which is to

> > the HomePage easily configurable. > > I have never understand why the home should be Main.WebHome, which

> not > > seems meaningful, in particular in french. Even the Main space is

> > imagine a Hand space in english ;) (WebHome could also seen weird,

> > being more usual words that I feel hurt less, and could be ommitted). > > > > So, back on track, why not having an easy way to say, "set current

> as > > the HomePage", and to in fact use the Dashboard itself as the default > > WebHome ? > > Why the hell should we have to destroy some interface to have a

Sorry, I wasn't aware. From what I understand of the description I just read in the issue, the customization will work just once ? What happen when you have customized the homepage (a) by choosing another one, or (b) by entering your own content ? Does the edit button still work differently ? If so, I support the Main.WebHome is still the only home, and this not

I am talking about, or you have make some magic. Can you explain a bit more how your implementation works ? What I was proposing were more in the line of the "Use this image as my desktop background" and "Use this image as the login background". From anywhere, any user would be able to say, "Use this page as my homepage", and an admin would additionally say "Use this page as the default homepage".

And that page truly became the home, it is not an include mechanism, and Main.WebHome could be thrashed.

> But it doesn’t solve the main problem: editing the home page when it’s

If the home page is no more the actual home page, the discussion about editing the homepage became pointless. If you point directly to the Dashboard, and you make the dashboard not editable by default, we are

fine IMO. Why wanting the home page to be editable when you can edit any page and make it the home or your home ? Regarding these explanations, you simply need a "Get Started" widget on

Dashboard. This one should not be very detailed, but link to more helpful information. These information are more a matter of an Help Application than a HomePage Application. And this Help Application should also be accessible from the menu, and work with contextual information to be even more helpful. Moreover, the home page should be useful for the flavor that install it, and should not be some fake page that you need to edit to make it useful. The wiki should work right away, without customization, for the very

users. I hope this clarify my vision of the homepage that I have probably too briefly define initially. WDYT ? > Thanks > -Vincent > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:52 PM, vincent(a)massol.net > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 16 Sep 2014 at 15:47:59, Marius Dumitru Florea ( > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com(mailto:

> > > wrote: > > > > > > > We won't have the activity stream on the home page by default.

> is > > > > an important change. I can't decide yet.. > > > > > > Yes I know… > > > > > > Now we could decide to still have it on the home page. We haven’t > decided > > > the content for that new home page yet. > > > > > > However adding it may intimidate users from editing the page since

> > > might be worried about loosing that feature. But it could also be

> > > clear that the Wiki’s Activity is available from the Dashboard. > > > > > > The instructions explaining that the page can be edited could even > give an > > > example about how to include the Dashboard page for those who want

> make > > > the home page a dashboard. > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:23 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: > > > > > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > > > As you know I started working on a Home Page Application, see: > > > > > - JIRA with screenshots:

> > > > > - Discussion thread:

> > > > > > > > > > I have it all done locally but I refrained from committing it > because > > > on the email thread some expressed their doubts. > > > > > > > > > > I started thinking about it and I expressed some idea in the

> > > started by Caty about "Wiki - Space - Page concepts pitch": > > > http://markmail.org/message/jefze7nvprz36pkw > > > > > > > > > > I’m pasting it here again for discussion (with some edits): > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > BTW concerning the home page, I’m more and more leaning towards > > > removing the dashboard from it (it’s accessible from the App panel > anyway) > > > and instead have it contain: > > > > > - explanation about how the wiki is organized (wikis, spaces, > pages) > > > > > - explanation about base concepts (editing, saving, etc) > > > > > - encourage the user to edit this home page to make it his own

> put > > > the content he wishes instead > > > > > > > > > > I think this would solve the following issues: > > > > > - users always want to customize the home page and this makes it > easy > > > (it’s a standard page, no dashboard). This is also a way for them to > take > > > ownership of the wiki as theirs. > > > > > - explains the main concepts of wiki, space, page > > > > > > > > > > Of course, we also need to provide a navigation panel for easy > > > navigation in the wiki/spaces/pages. > > > > > “ > > > > > > > > > > If we agree about the idea of removing the dashboard and instead > have > > > a simple page then we’ll need to discuss the exact content and for > that I’m > > > proposing to discuss with Caty/GuillaumeD and make a proposal for > further > > > discussion. Of course any idea in reply to this email would also be > much > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > But first things first! We first need to decide if this is a

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