2 Oct
2014
2 Oct
'14
7:09 p.m.
Hi,
I've created this proposal
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocation
Please read it and give your opinion on it. The proposal is based on
discussed solution, but improves a bit the styling.
If you are curious how I reached some of the proposal's conclusions, you
can see it's iterations
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocationIter…
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
Hi,
actually one thing we could try is this:
- *Keep the "Add" button where it is and use it for page-related
actions:*
- "Add child page"
- "Add comment" (as suggested by Denis)
- "Add attachment" (as suggested by Denis)
- *Add a "Create" button in the top bar, with 2/3 options:*
- "Create page" (TBD)
- "Create space"
- "Create wiki"
- In this case, after clicking "Create" the user would be presented with
a page / modal box listing existing instances as well as available
templates
I think this would solve both my issues (having less-frequent actions in
the same location as a more-frequent one, not being in the right place on
the page) and GuillaumeD's wife issue (the "Add" button is easy to find
where it is right now, why move it?).
WDYT?
Guillaume
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On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:48 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
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On 2 Oct 2014 at 13:31:56, Eduard Moraru (enygma2002(a)gmail.com(mailto:
enygma2002(a)gmail.com)) wrote:
> On that note:
> The funny/sad thing to realise is that we are basing all this
discussion
on
> the fact that some users did not find the "Add" button *only the first
> time* they tried to do something. The realization is that this is one
of
> those things (idioms[1][2]) that you learn
once and know how to easily
do
> the next 1000x times (like riding a bike).
>
> The real problem appears when you are in those "next 1000x time" and
you
> find it cumbersome to use (like riding a
bike with no saddle, or with
the
saddle on
backwards :) ). So in both cases (top or middle of the page)
once
you find it once, you will find it again, however
in the middle of the
page
it conflicts too often with the Edit button and
other page related
actions,
that it becomes cumbersome to use.
Indeed that’s something I had in mind too. If you just ask to add a page
and that’s all then you’re not doing a full test. You’d need to ask the
user to:
- add a page
- delete a page
- move a page
- create a space
- etc
And then only you can draw some conclusion IMO.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
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[1] http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~evalica/hci/L2/
[2]
https://www.englishforums.com/English/IdiomsVsMetaphors/cqwl/post.htm
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2014 at 11:06:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (
> gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > I have done the "test-on-my-wife" thing :)
> >
> > She finds it more intuitive to add a page from the current page, so
in
> the
> > current location, instead of the "black bar that gives the
impression of
> > not beeing a part of that page"
(that she did not manage to find by
> > herself).
> >
> > I then explained that the buttons inside the page only concern the
> actions
> > that you can do on that page, meanwhile adding a new page should be
put
> > in
> > > an other location. She did not like this logic :)
> >
> > So with this logic we should remove the top bar completely and move >
actions inside the page, i.e. have only 1 menu inside the page.
Because if
> she couldn’t find the Add button there she
also wouldn’t be able to
find
> all wiki-related actions, space-related
actions and more importantly
> **page-related** actions like copy page, rename page or delete page…
>
> Also would be fun to ask your wife to try using Confluence and see if
she
> fails to create a page there too.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > Users' logic and developer's logic are not the same. I like the
current
> > location too, except that we should
propose "create page" before
"create
> > > wiki".
> > >
> > > I really would like to have some feedback of normal users, with > > > proposals. We, as developers, are
not good at making things that
look
> >
simple for other people, so we should not take this decision alone.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Guillaume Delhumeau