14 Jun
2017
14 Jun
'17
12:47 p.m.
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
This complexity reduction is debatable, since we will split it in 2
steps/screens, so we are increasing the number of clicks / steps to create
a page (instead of relying on the default/recommended template).
Thanks,
Caty
Hi Caty,
There is no limitation from bootstrap, but the more options you put in a
dropdown they become unreadable. By default, in XE we have a maximum of 6+1
templates, and this number is without installing any additional
application. Without any preference, the default will be to display them
there, so we will have already 6 templates displayed. Using dropdowns will
look similar to what the "Advanced" Edit mode looks like, but for Create.
Also using dropdowns means we will not displayed anymore the template's
icon and description.
On 14 Jun 2017, at 12:04, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi devs,
This roadmap we had 2 suggestions:
- "Find a way of avoiding to have 2 "Add" entries ("+" and
"Add new
entry")" in AWM
- "Drop down on "+" Menu + Admin UI to select some templates"
What we have implemented so far was:
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-14310
"Propose and pre-select "recommended" templates in the create UI based on
the current location"
So now, if you go to the Blog app and create on the "+" button, since
Blog
provides a template with a create restriction,
the "Blog" template will
be
preselected.
Also, AWM has the option to create a template for each application the
users create. So after you created your app with AWM and go to the "+"
button, the app template will be preselected.
This will allow us in the future to remove the AWM actions area and rely
on
the "+" button.
In the future, we could also separate templates in their own
"Recommended"
category. A separate category will be necessary
for applications that
provide multiple related templates (like Forum for example that will
contain the Forum, Topic templates) or in the more general case when
multiple templates are recommended for the current location. Currently we
are doing only sorting and preselecting the first one.
In terms of implementation we just need to make sure all our recommended
apps provide template providers and after that we could change the UI for
AWM and remove the "Add" action from the actions area.
Now, I want to ask your opinion on the suggestion to add a dropdown for
the
"+" button.
Some input:
- a dropdown will not be scalable: you cannot have more than a few
options
there;
You mean with bootstrap?
Because otherwise we could open some popup when clicking the + with some
dialog box allowing to search and choose a template.
Still doesn't solve the page name and location needs and if we were to add
them too, it just means that we move the Create step from its own page to a
modal.
- in a dropdown you cannot specify the page
name;
- in the dropdown you cannot change or specify another location - you
always need to go to the page first and after choose a template from the
dropdown list;
- you will only see an admin selection of templates - so we invalidate
the
templates filtering and you cannot even choose
another template after
your
initial selection;
- we make the current create step deprecated, since users will not see it
anymore.
It’s Ludovic who suggested "Drop down on "+" Menu + Admin UI to select
some templates” and AFAIU his idea is to separate the Add action into 2
different steps:
* Step 1: select the template first, directly when click on the +
* Step 2: you still get the current Add UI where you choose the page name,
location, etc but you don’t see the template part anymore (ie there’s no
need to have a 2 columns view anymore). Note that maybe there should be a
one liner with the name/icon of the selected template with a pencil button
to change it if need be.
The main
reason of this request was to increase visibility and order for
the templates.
Another reason could be to reduce the complexity of the current Add screen.
In the user recording sessions I've seen and
with the current layout (2
columns, templates on right) users don't have problems seeing the
"Templates" section in the Create step.
Now, for the ordering / selection - the current mechanism of automatic
ordering is a step in that direction - but sure we could implement more
(like the separate category I described earlier).
Another difference between what was asked and what was currently
implemented is that now the selection comes from the Template Provider;
while the idea was to allow the Administrator to select the displayed
Templates. With the current implementation we can still create an
administration UI to select them and save the changes in the Template
Providers, in a future iteration.
My opinion:
* I don’t understand why this would increase visibility for templates. I
think that’s just a matter of deciding on the order of how we present
information on the Create page UI. We need to decide if it’s better for
users to choose first page name + location or template first. FTR
Confluence chooses the type first too: https://confluence.atlassian.
com/conf56/creating-content-658736830.html#CreatingContent-
Addingapageorablogpost
* I think it feels a bit weird to have a 2 steps process with different
types of UIs (dropdown first and then add page dialog)
* If we think that the Add page UI is too complex, one solution is to have
a 2 steps wizard where users start selecting the type (Template) and then
the other information (page name, location) as a second step
* We need to decide if we wish to keep the current Create UI
implementation or instead use a popup overlay wizard (with 2 steps).
Thanks
-Vincent
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So the question is:
- Do you have other ideas on how we could solve the requests?
- What do you think about having a dropdown with the templates selection
-
compared to a recommended category in the
creation step?
Thanks,
Caty