On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:52, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>> I would really like to still be able to
use 1 tool, i.e. currently the
mail
>> client, to read the mails for either devs
or users. Sure, answering to
>> users should be done on discourse, but I would not like to have to
juggle
>> yet another service.
>
> This does not have much to do with the users mailing list. As I
> explained to you on IRC you can very well receive all discourse
> messages by mail if you want which is exactly what I do (I never go to
>
forum.xwiki.org directly, only from some mail I received).
>
>>
>> I understand that what you describe seems like a bug. Did we try to
report
> it to
discourse? On a quick google I'm unable to find such a behavior
> described. We could try reporting it otherwise.
>
>> P.S.: I have re-enabled the "Enable mailing list mode" option to the
>> discourse mailman user. Will watch it to see when/if it gets disabled
again.
I'm not a big fan of getting an close to unreadable duplicate of all
the discourse mails which is what I get right now.
That could be fixed easily:
* Once the users list is read only we can remove the prefix in the mail
* We can also configure the list to support HTML
We moved to a forum so let's live with it and
let people decide if
they want mails not. If you want mails just enable them in your
profile.
Yep
Receiving all messages from
forum.xwiki.org
without having an account
there is really not a valid use case.
I agree
If we want to store discourse
messages on markmail then let's give direct markmail mail to discourse
instead of going trough users mailing list which does not make any
sense.
It has the advantages of distributing the archiving:
* markmail
* nabble
* gmane
* xwiki mailman archives
* etc
I don’t think there’s such a markmail email…
However, there’s a problem with Discourse as I mentioned (unless Edy found
a solution).
Did not look more, as right now the setting still seems to be on.
Thanks,
Eduard
Personally I’m fine with not archiving discourse discussions through
mailing list archives. It makes a bit harder for users to search in one
place but quickly over time it’ll be ok. It’ll also be a bit harder for
stats but I guess we can handle that too…
Thanks
-Vincent
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eduard
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not
>>> disable
>>>>> it completely. This is now what was discussed, AFAIK.
>>>>
>>>> Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal
is
>>> to make it read only.
>>>>
>>>>> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th
of
>>> June.
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not.
>>>
>>> FTR just noticed 2 users have contacted me telling me they cannot
post
to
>>> the user list anymore. So someone
must have changed something on the
user
>>> list, but it’s not me :)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and,
if
>>> you
>>>>> want to reply, you'd follow the reply link in the mail an open
the
>>>>> discourse browser window.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, only discourse could be able to publish to the list, all other
list
>>>>> users would get rejected.
>>>>
>>>> The proposal was:
>>>> * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have
>>> user(a)xwiki.org as its email so that we can still archive discussions
done
>>> with discourse on markmail, nabble,
etc.
>>>>
>>>> However:
>>>> * I have configured a user having user(a)xwiki.org as its email and in
>>> “mailing list mode” but after it sends its first mail, the “mailing
list
>>> mode” is automatically disabled and I
don’t know why.
>>>>
>>>> Conclusion so far:
>>>> * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I
find
>>> some time.
>>>> * I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above
>>>> * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive
>>> discourse discussions on markmail so I’m fine with dropping this part.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Eduard
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea <
>>>>>> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to
make
the
>>> users
>>>>>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to
reply
in-line?
>>>>>> When
>>>>>>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to
keep
>>> context if
>>>>>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and
quote the
part
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you
wish
>>> to
>>>>>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Marius
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the plan I’m proposing is:
>>>>>>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly
>>>>>>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to
the forum
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all
messages
sent on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this
has been
>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> for 2 weeks already.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and
prevent
too
>>> much
>>>>>>>> scattering of user posts both on the users list and on
the forum
and
>>>> have
>>>>>> them all on the forum ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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