8 Nov
2010
8 Nov
'10
3:58 p.m.
Hi, I hope a single paragraph from an user could be welcome here...
Gregory GUENEAU wrote:
hi sergiu
Le 8 nov. 2010 à 10:35, Sergiu Dumitriu a écrit :
Let's add something here thinking about how our users do work with XWiki.
First of all, let me say that I support Ludovic and Vicent ideas about
the necessity of having some kind of method to trigger discussion and
conduct the flow toward XWiki moving it out of email exchange. I
recognize the prevalence of email in ICT landscape nowadays and agree
with Sergiu about the fact that subscription must be optional for users
once they are aware a given work has been launched. They must be able to
choose between the different alternatives XWiki offers to be aware of
changes once they get a first warning.
I see This "send this page by email" utility like an improvement in this
sense. I will add a complement though: one a document is created and the
creator will be allowed to select users and/or groups to be warned about
this fact, the creator will be allowed to select what users can do what
think. I mean, the same utility that allow the creator to select what
users will receive the email message, will add trustees to the document.
For us here the default condition for newly created documents is giving
me some headaches. If the creator is allowed to select what users to
warn and the same action adds trustees to the newly created document,
will avoid many problems I'm facing here.
Thanks for your work!
On 11/08/2010 01:44 AM, Ludovic Dubost wrote:
Then let's talk about what users are waiting for. We present xwiki as an enterprise
wiki that proposes an overall experience to avoid some disagreement from the existing
tools, such as discussion entropy in mails. BUT it doesn't mean xwiki has to stand
alone in the universe, that is why we introduced the "watch" notification
features.
We also have the invitation manager that covers other needs, but we have a missing link :
invitation to a page, or more basic : "share this page" or "send this page
by mail".
In my mind, this feature is key to power and dummy users. More, it atuomates and makes
simple the simple act to share a page (usually, we copy the link, or make a pdf of the
page, and then we go in our mail client and create a mail to ... anybody we want to share
this page with), the feature we are talking about here prevents to do all this manual
stuff.
Therefore this feature should allow the user to send the page with the methods he prefers
(link, html, pdf), to who he wants. the user might also send with it an invitation (what
about merging invitation manager with "share this page" ?)
Le 07/11/10 21:24, Sergiu Dumitriu a écrit :
I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm referring
to "send
notification to this bunch of people EVERY TIME THE PAGE CHANGES". I
agree about the "send notification", but not about the "every time".
I
also agree with subscribing myself to notifications (a.k.a. "add to MY
watchlist").
I don't like this, it's intrusive.
Personally I wouldn't like at all
being forcefully invited into a conversation. There are other ways of
doing this which don't involve waking up with 30 emails in my inbox,
most of which will be implemented in the 3.x cycle as part of the social
improvements.
I don't agree with you that the social improvements do anything in
this
area or maybe I'm missing something. If it's activity streams or other
real time features, oin many cases, you can't go all the time to the
wiki to check if an important document is evolving, for which the
discussion needs to be fast.
You might not like it, but this really creates dynamicity when
discussing on a wiki document.
The lack of such a features leads to discussions staying in email
exchanges and therefore no work on the wiki document itself (when it was
at all created).
Think about a discussion about a feature in the devs mailing list. None
of it is captured in the wiki page where the feature is described.
Think also about non technical people that need to learn how to work
with wikis.
I would see this feature as a unique action (meaning
do not allow to "force" the "watch" opt'in).
Result, this feature would be presented both in the page edit bar in "export"
or "more actions", as a "send by mail" action menu. It can be
presented also as an option next to the "save" button : "save this
page" opt'in, when selected it opens the related fields.
The content should be :
SEND BY MAIL
To :
[ ] all contributors
[ ] additionnal users or groups [field]
[ ] additionnal email [field] => we could here include an invitation manager option ?
As :
[ ] a link
[ ] html content
[ ] pdf
Email title :
[ <wiki name>, <space name>, <page name> ] => can be edited
Email additional message :
[ ]
=> a resume of the message could be added in the page comments, then we loose nothing
thanks
gregory
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