18 Mar
2016
18 Mar
'16
3:05 p.m.
On 18 Mar 2016, at 14:58, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
As mentioned on our previous chat, I see the 2nd section of More Actions as
a "viewers" section. It`s probably inspired also by the way they are
implemented (/view/Page?viewer=<name>)
Saying “viewer” (which is a technical term that I believe doesn’t mean anything to users)
or saying it contains “Information about the page” is the same thing. Saying “viewer” just
hides the semantic meaning.
On 18 Mar 2016, at 13:02, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
To be honest I think we should not have too many menu entries, or we
might
need to find a way to split it again (just like
we did with copy, delete,
etc.)
That's why I am not very fond of creating the 'Included Pages' and the
'Backlinks' viewers. I don't find them that useful and they are somehow
technical. We removed Children from Information in order to replace Space
Index and also because we have the Children / Sibling mix.
The issue is that once you say that the menu displays “information about
the page” it’s not very logical to have an entry named “Information” any
more (since there are others information entries). It could be named “More
Information” or “Extra Information" but not “Information”.
Another way of looking at it would be to see the page
as an object, where
the 2nd section of "More Actions" would be the "getter" methods.
That’s even more technical. Remember that we’re talking users here ;)
Remember this proposal
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NestedMenuReorganization#H1…
? :)
Looking at it this way, allows "Information" to stay where it is, IMO, as
I`m also not a big fan of promoting the backlinks and included pages in the
menus. Also, remember that included pages is displayed in edit mode, in the
panel, which is, IMO, a better suited location anyway.
This is just hiding the fact that the links all contain information about the current
page. You can call it metadata, viewers or whatever you want it’s still about data (i.e.
information) of the current page. And since all other viewer links are also about this
there’s no reason to have one called with the generic name.
Basically what “information” means here is “all the other metadata for the page”.
But it’s not a big issue. We don’t need to be 100% logical in the UI.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
>
>> I agree that View Source could be moved in Information.
>
> Does it mean you’re ok with the other bullet point entries?
>
> Also I didn’t mention it, but this proposal means reorganizing the VMs
> (menu_content.vm and shortcuts.cm) since right now the vm for displaying
> the second part of the More Actions menu is called shortcuts.vm and its
> first line is:
>
> #if (!$docextralinks && !$docextras)
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi devs,
>>>
>>> Here’s the outcome of a discussion I had with Caty/Edy on IRC + addition
>>> of some elements of my own.
>>>
>>> The idea is to clarify our strategy for the “More Actions” menu.
>>>
>>> So here’s a proposal:
>>>
>>> * The More Actions menus is actually a "More" menu since it
doesn't
>>> contain only actions. Specifically it contains 2 types of links:
>>> ** Actions such as Export, Annotate, Print, Share
>>> ** Information about the page (they're not actions): History,
>>> Comments/Annotations, Children, Attachments
>>> * The "View Source" entry is not placed correctly and should be
moved to
>>> the information section
>>> * The "Information" entry could be renamed or be made more
specific
> since
>>> the whole section of the menu is about information about the page. It
> used
>>> to contain children but that's been separated so all it contains now are
>>> included pages and backlinks. These could be transformed into 2 viewers:
>>> one for includes pages and one for backlinks
>>> * The extradocs tabs do not need to match the information section of the
>>> "More" menu. We only display in the tabs the most important
actions.
>>> * Idea: In order not to have too many tabs and to simplify the UI, we
>>> could decide to remove the Information one and have "Included
Pages" and
>>> "Backlinks" only as menu entries.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent