27 May
2017
27 May
'17
11:40 p.m.
"Standard" -> Current, generalist, non-specialized, all-round solution,
good for everybody to use or to start with
* https://www.google.ro/search?q=define+standard
* http://www.dictionary.com/browse/standard
"Classic" -> Old, legacy, historical, proven reliable by time, etc. (when
comparing to the modern, current version); generally implies "old", in one
way or another
* https://www.google.ro/search?q=define+classic
* http://www.dictionary.com/browse/classic
You usually have this in software when you have 2 versions: current/modern
one (standard) and the older one (classic).
IMO, "classic", by itself, does not make sense (i.e. when you don`t have a
"standard" to compare with) and it would be sending the wrong message.
Also, everything we do (developing, manual and automated testing, roadmap,
etc.) is around this flavor, so it is the "standard" to which we relate.
I also have nothing against "Generic" or "Default" (i.e. +0) which
focus
more on the functional objective of the flavor, but they get a bit
technical by going into these details, so that`s why I felt "Standard" was
abstract enough and also clear enough in sending the right message, which
is "Pick me if you don`t know what you want".
P.S.: "classic" bikeshedding :) (but I guess it's OK on this type of thread
:) )
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I'm not keen on the "Standard"
terminology because it can make people think
other flavors (such as Knowleged Flavor) are not standard which could be
seen as pejorative.
"Classic" does not imply being better or worse and describes what this
flavor really is: the "classical" version of XWiki that we have distributed
for years. Which also means: not specialized for a special use-case.
Thanks,
Guillaume
2017-05-26 14:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>om>:
enygma2002(a)gmail.com
packaging
flavors
> >> are
> >> >> > > non-xwiki ones...)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Olivier Sérès
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne <
> >> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> >> >> a
> >> >> > > écrit :
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu
Dumitriu <
> >> sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne
wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> Hi devs,
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the
hard work around new
Base
it's
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
and
No there is no default UI in this distribution,
just flavors.
As I said in the previous mail you will have a flavor picker in which
you will see the classic one and the others.
Of course other distributions of XWiki may still have default UI and
don't let you choose a flavor like XE does.
I feel we`re having a bit of duplication here between the "default UI" the "Flavor" steps. AFAICT, they do
pretty much the same thing and should
ideally be merged. Basically, the default UI mechanism should indicate
the
recommended flavor/ui (if any) for the war you
have, but should also not
enforce it, allowing you to go with whatever flavor you like. There's
really no point in separating the 2 and I guess we are here because they
were developed in separate efforts.
Anyway, back to the original question of the thread, I reiterate my +1
for
"Standard" (I'm not a fan of
"classic", which I find awkward and a bit
old-fashion/outdated :), specially if you consider people new to XWiki).
Thanks,
Eduard
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > When you download the war, you have no UI. At that point, I guess you
> will
> > be proposed to install the default UI associated to your war (which,
in
> this
case, will be one and the same with the "Standard XWiki Flavor")
OR
> choose from a list of available Flavors. In
this case, I guess that
> "Standard XWiki Flavor" will not be listed in the flavors list, to
avoid
> duplication.
>
> If I got things right, then it sounds good to me to see the first
option
> (i.e. featured) to be the
"standard" and, below it, various
alternatives
> > for various/specialized use cases.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eduard
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Mortagne <
> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Eduard Moraru < > wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in
previous
> > discussions.
> >
>
> > It`s basically what you get when you download. Once you start
customizing
>> > or installing some other Flavor, it`s no longer "standard".
>>
>> Note exactly. When you download XWiki you don't have any Flavor
>> installed, you choose the classic/standard one among several others
>> (ok maybe not several right now :)), it's just the first one listed.
>>
>> >
>> > That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a > (for
> > the xar or war module, don`t remember) that featured "standard" in
it`s
> > name.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eduard
> >
> > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
> >> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > +1 for Classic
> >> >
> >>
> >> Classic sounds good. +1
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
> >> >
> >> > > I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons :
> >> > > For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor,
now we
>> >> > might
>> >> > > have more than one
>> >> > > There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
>> >> > > It has a distinguishable name
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that
other > >> platform
> >> >> > > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the
Flavor picker
when
>>
>> installed
>> >> > > XWiki now.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a
generic
flavor,
> >> not
> >> >> > tied
> >> >> > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about
"Knwonledge > >> Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>> :)).
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous
mails:
> >> >> > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> A few more ideas:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> * Classic
> >> >> > > >> * Raw
> >> >> > > >> * Starter
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Not a fan or "Raw".
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I like "Classic", might sound better than
"Default" for
most
> >> users.
> >> >> > > > Not sure about "Starter".
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too
technical term.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO
since it's not really a
base
>>
flavor.
>> >> > > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a
dependency (of
course
> >> it's
> >> >> > > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just
want to add pre
> >> installed
> >> >> > > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's
a -1 for me.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki
Flavor". I know, > not
> >> >> going
> >> >> > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but
it's obvious when you
> >> actually
> >> >> > see
> >> >> > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and
I find it
nicer
> than
> >> >> > > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which
basically means the same
thing
>>
since
>> >> the
>> >> > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any
other
flavor.
>> I'm
>> >> > also
>> >> > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if
others think it's a
better
>
name.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> WDYT ?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> --
> >> > > >> Sergiu Dumitriu
> >> > > >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Thomas Mortagne
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
> >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
>
--
Thomas Mortagne