Re: [xwiki-devs] Email this page featurede

Le 08/11/10 10:35, Sergiu Dumitriu a écrit : I am talking about the "send notification to this bunch of people EVERY TIME THE PAGE CHANGES" with the possibility for users to opt out. The objective, and I'm probably repeating myself, is allow for PARTICULAR documents, to speed up the turnaround speed when working on a document, to avoid the current side effect of having a parallel discussion by email around the document without actually making any changes to the document and leaving all the work to the initial author. The objective is to NOT NEED a separate discussion, it's not like Vincent seems to have understood it, to have discussions in the Wiki. The objective is that you only work with Wiki changes and Annotations so that you have a real workflow that really leads to improving the document. Currently and without such a feature we are undermining the Wiki concept by making it more difficult for people to centralize the content in the Wiki. Therefore people will stick to emails and the whole benefit of having a wiki page is moot. The manual subscription mecanism is a progress and it would be great to at least do that, but I can tell you that as a project manager, I would find annoying to not have a way to invite 2 or 3 people to this notification mecanism to make sure that the discussion can happen in the wiki instead of having a parallel track in emails

>> Concerning being forced in a conversation, you can drop out in one click >> if you don't like it and it's the responsibility of the person sending >> the notification to actually decide to do that push. >> Of course this should not be done by default on all documents as this is >> meant for important docs for which a discussion is really needed, like a >> project manager bringing in 3 people he works with in a discussion. >> Managers need to be sure that what they want to do reaches their target. >> If editing the wiki page or commenting on a wiki page is not sure to >> reach it's target, the manager will reach out to other means (email, >> skype or even telephone). Once this happens you have lost of lot of >> valuable content. >> >> Without the forcing, you can be sure that since some people will be >> missing the discussion won't work as well. >> >> In any case please don't think about this feature for public >> discussions. It's meant for business users so that they can get the work >> done. >>> I agree about a "notify me of changes" checkbox under the action >>> buttons, if Vincent doesn't think it crowds the editor UI. >>> >> That's definitively already usefull as any editor/commentor can decide >> to get instant notifications. >> But the minute you are not sure that the other user will get your >> comment, people will loose confident is this way of discussing. >> >>>> Finally we could add an email box so that we can load comments sent >>>> as a >>>> reply to an email sent by the wiki. >>> Yep, this is also an idea kept in the background, but too complex to be >>> included inside the "email this page" development. >> I agree that it's some work and might be too much for this version. >>>> The rationale for this feature is that when working on a document that >>>> requires some discussion and validation, the email discussion is not >>>> captured and the changes in the wiki are not triggering a fast enough >>>> reaction thus slowing down the discussion around the document (I know >>>> the Watch List exists, but since it requires manual subscription, most >>>> participants won't do it and the speed of notification of the watch >>>> list >>>> is not fast enough for discussion). >>> One idea of improvement for the watchlist was to have instant >>> notifications, but this is another topic. In summary: >>> >>> - add a new level for the watchlist which sends notifications as >>> soon as >>> a document is sent (as implementation, it will use the observation >>> mechanism and not a scheduler job) >>> - the current notification interval configuration will be kept as the >>> default >>> - for each item in the watchlist it will be possible to specify its own >>> interval setting >>> >>> >>> Isn't your last paragraph contradicting your proposal? Email is slow >>> and >>> deprecated, and one of the main points when presenting XWiki is how >>> much >>> better it is than emails. Why would moving the discussion to emails >>> help >>> collaborative writing? >>> >> email usage should move from being the actual place of discussion to a >> notification tool. >> It's still a good notification tool for the important ones. Clearly if >> you are overloaded in one of your channels, then it's stops being >> effective. >> But well done it's a good notification tool. RSS or Twitter which are >> good at being notification tool for massive amounts of information are >> actually bad for the smaller amounts of important information. >> In my view it's about learning how to use a combination of these tools >> for that. >> >> Back to the wiki, my objective here is not to move the discussion to >> emails, but to make sure that any discussion in the wiki get the same >> efficiency as email when it comes to notification of the discussion >> events. As for capturing responses in emails into the wiki this is to >> ease transition from email to wiki. I would expect that experiences >> users would click on the link to comment in the wiki since you would >> have more features there. >> >> Ludovic