15 Jan
2016
15 Jan
'16
7:19 a.m.
+1 for B
Thanks,
Marius
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
+1 for B)
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
in
the
dev.xwiki.org but
since it’s been moved and renamed it’s no longer about
ideas but about designs (ie the next step, once you start working on an
idea).
--
Thomas Mortagne
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On 14 Jan 2016 at 15:01:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac(a)gmail.com
(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
So is this project will contain just Ideas that
we can't put somewhere
else?
yes
> Since I believe is better to have ideas for Forum Application reported the
appropriate project (XAFORUM) and not in the generic Ideas project.
when they exist yes, I agree
[snip]
> > It’ll never be implemented there because we decided that the repos of > > xwiki github org are for core stuff only
(see my comment on the
issue). So
> > why mislead people into thinking it
might be implemented when we know
it
> > won’t?
> >
>
> If we know we won't implement them we can close them, although in time
we
> managed to implement the important things.
>
> For the record the design.xwiki.org app has an Idea status too so
already
we are
splitting ideas in multiple places.
Yes design.xwiki.org was previously a space called Ideas on
One alternative I thought about was to reuse the existing JIRA Contrib
project for
letting users add new ideas (note that we’re going in the
direction of trying to remove it by having each contrib project have its
own jira but we could keep the Contrib JIRA project with a single issue
type of type Idea).
However I feel that a top level IDEA project named “Ideas” would be
simpler for
users to find and report into. It would be our job (our = the
xwiki community) to then move those jiras to existing projects (when they
exist).
At the same time if we keep the “Idea” issue type in existing projects,
maybe
users will wonder why the 2 places.
So to sum up we have the following options (for all those options we
keep the Idea
issue type in existing jira projects):
A) Do nothing. Just close the issue as won’t fix as I’ve done for
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature)
It's a pity to close things like this. Having a place to find ideas of
things to contribute to XWiki would be great.
B) Create a top level JIRA project called Ideas,
as explained above. And
move XWIKI-1103 to it.
This is my preference by far.
C) Reuse the Contrib jira project for that (as
explained above too). And
move XWIKI-1103 to it.
"Ideas" named project is much more explicit plus ideas would be messed
with various dead contrib extension issues. We need to empty this
Contrib project and get rid of it.
D) Use http://design.xwiki.org for ideas too.
Note that on that site we
currently ask users to create a jira issue, after they
discuss it on the
list.
IMO design.xwiki.org is not here to suggest ideas but it's the next
step. When you start having more details about how the idea should
look like and be implemented.
E) Use another wiki page on xwiki.org called
Ideas where we ask users
to edit and add their ideas.
-1, too painfull
F) Use the Ideas Application on xwiki.org
Ideas application is nice but I feel that those ideas will end up in
jira eventually anyway and jira is THE place to report stuff (stuff
that dn't work, stuff you would like to see implemented, etc.).
For D), E) and F) when a dev starts working on the idea he’d create the
associated
jira issue.
What do you prefer?
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Caty,
> > > >
> > > > I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not
to list
> > > > all Ideas :)
> > > >
> > > > The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from
stuff
> > > > that is NOT platform.
Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve
closed it
> > but
> > > > it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It
just
> > > > doesn’t belong in the XWIKI
JIRA project anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (
> > valicac(a)gmail.com
> > > > (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > -0
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea'
instead of
> > 'New
> > > > > feature' like in the example you gave
> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
> > > > >
> > > > > If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query
and
> > > > reference
> > > > > them to contributors and students.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example this query
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20…
> > > > > will list all the open
ideas in the Top Level Projects.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are:
> > > > > 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4
on
> > > > Flamingo,
> > > > > etc.)
> > > > > 13 on Rendering
> > > > > 7 on Enterprise
> > > > > 5 on Commons
> > > > > 2 on Infrastructure
> > > > >
> > > > > The advantage is that the components and projects are marked
> > correctly
> > > > and
> > > > > we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in
the new
> > > > > project, create new
components, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Caty
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > >
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea
in XWIKI
jira
> > > > > > project as long as
the idea is specifically about core stuff.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea”
issue
> > type in
> > > > > > the XWIKI jira project IMO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > -Vincent
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent(a)massol.net (
> > vincent(a)massol.net
> > > > > > (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Hi devs,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github
organization will
> > contain
> > > > > > only core extensions and that we want to move non-core
extensions
> > > > outside
> > > > > > (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since
in
> > contrib
> > > > each
> > > > > > project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira
project
> > for
> > > > people
> > > > > > to propose ideas.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Of course we could also have installed the Idea app
(
> > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas)
on
> > > > xwiki.org
> > > > > > but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy
them to
> > > > jira
> > > > > > anyway.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA
project called
> > “Ideas”
> > > > and
> > > > > > to document it on
> > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> This will also allow us to move issues such as
> > > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks
feature),
> > which are
> > > > > > currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and
can be
> > > > used as
> > > > > > a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas
from.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Of course if someone suggest an idea that is
something
core,
>
we’d
> > > move
> > > > > it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> WDYT?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks
> > > > > >> -Vincent
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