On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
Vincent Massol wrote:
ok so far we have:
* Jerome: iii)
* Anca: iii)
* ThomasE (non-binding): iii)
* Vincent: iii)
Sergiu, ThomasM, JV, Marius, Asiri (and other committers): are you ok
with iii). Barring any more answers, I'll start implementing it in 1
hour (it seems the right solution to me anyway).
+1 for both ii) and iii)
iii) is good because it allows to have different URIs specify
different
actions. By the way, we could extend the URI prefix so that if there
is
no special handler for a prefix, we could use it as the action, for
example: [[feed:Blog.BlogRSS]] would link to
/xwiki/bin/feed/Blog/BlogRSS. At the moment this prevents FQN links to
other wikis, so we should decide when to change the FQN syntax.
ii) is good because it allows us to specify custom attributes on any
element/section, which would be needed for microformats (which rely on
class, rel, and title mostly), styling, and with the use of namespaces
we can add our own attributes and bind custom behavior on them.
Anyway,
this is not a priority now, just something for the (not so far)
future.
I'd like to understand this better since I don't think ii) and iii)
are perfectly compatible (this would mean two ways of settings
parameters for links for ex which I don't like too much).
So what's the exact need of microformats? How will it be represented?
We can already do spans so that's a first solution and we can already
put parameters on all our elements (lists, paragraphs, tables, links,
etc).
Then I'm also interested in implementing support for document level
parameters too. We need a way to define the syntax for it so that it's
different from parameters for a paragraph. For embedded documents it
would be easy:
(% param=value %)
(((
...
)))
Last, I'm also interested in having the notion of properties as
described in
http://code.google.com/p/wikimodel/wiki/AdvancedStructuralElements
. Maybe that could that help for defining microformats?
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
Implementation
note: I'll still introduce an onImage() event and an
ImageBlock class. Also as Jerome mentioned I'll use the text
specified
as the label as is.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Oct 28, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> I'd go for iii), without parsing the label (use "hello **world**" if
> it
> is, not make it "hello world")
>
> Jerome.
>
> Vincent Massol wrote:
>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Basically there are now 2
>>> possibilities:
>>>
>>> i) using a special syntax for parameters for links and images. For
>>> links that could be [[label>>reference>>>parameters]]. Note
that
>>> we
>>> might also need such a special syntax for inline verbatim blocks.
>>> ii) using 2 generic syntaxes for parameters:
>>>
>>> (% ... %) for applying parameters only to the next element
>>> {% ... %} ... {%%} for applying parameters to the elements inside
>>>
>>> Which one do you prefer?
>>>
>>> I think we have an issue for i) anyway (for verbatim inline
>>> elements
>>> for example).
>>>
>>> My preference goes to ii) [EDITED: was i)].
>> After speaking to Mikhail (wikimodel creator) there's a third
>> possibility:
>>
>> iii) using the same syntax for links, images and attachments.
>> Namely:
>>
>> Links:
>> [[label>>reference||params]]
>>
>> Images:
>> [[label>>image:wiki:Space.Page^my.png||params]]
>>
>> Attachments (download link):
>> [[label>>attach:wiki:Space.Page^my.png||params]]
>>
>> This means that it would also be possible to use links, images and
>> attachments directly in the text using the form:
>>
>> This is a http://... URL
>> This is an image:my.png image
>> This is my word attach:my.doc document
>>
>> Notes:
>> * The "label" for images would correspond to the alt/title
>> attribute.
>> Thus the wiki syntax inside would be transformed into text (for
>> example: "Hello **world**" would generate "Hello world")
>> * It would currently not be possible to disambiguate between a
>> subwiki
>> named "image", "attach" and displaying an image or linking to
an
>> attachment. This would be fixed later on when we change the FQN
>> (Fully
>> Qualified Name) for Documents in order to support nested spaces.
>> * This means that we can keep using (% %) notation and there's no
>> need
>> to define a new {% ... %} notation.
>> * It means we need to introduce the "||" separator for link
>> parameters
>> * It is completely inline with the wikimodel way of handling
>> images.
>> * There's no need to introduce a new onImage() event. However we
>> might
>> want to rename our begin/endLink() events to beginReference()/
>> endReference().
>>
>> I personally like this solution except for the fact that since
>> we've
>> introduced wiki syntax in place of labels we would be tweaking the
>> model a bit since there's no need for begin/end for images. That
>> said
>> we could also add an onImage() event and emit it at the parser
>> level
>> so that the label would always contain pure text (if we have
>> "hello
>> **world**" we would use "hello **world**").
>>
>> I'm hesitating between ii) and iii).
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>>> so
>>>> +1 for 1)a) only if we can do it for all inline elements.
>>>>
>>>> Which brings us to images:
>>>> I find a wiki syntax quite suitable, for consistency reasons
>>>> (with
>>>> links, for
>>>> example). ! is a pretty used character, even duplicated, so I'd
>>>> go
>>>> for another
>>>> one: pipe (hard to find on some kbds, though), @ (semantically
>>>> associated with
>>>> emails, though), # (already taken), & ?
>>>>
>>>> so
>>>> +1 for wiki syntax for 2)
>>>>
>>>> Happy coding,
>>>> Anca
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